RE: Honda S2000 | PH Private Area
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Paper Lawyer said:
The underside photo reminds me of the difficulties I had (well, ultimately Chris @ CentreGravity had after I gave up) removing the wishbones due to the seized bushes/bolts on my S2000 when it was less than 10 years old ....
The underside reminds me of a 1970's MGB or Capri - horrible to see they ended up like this.Not had an S2000 since the 2000's but prices like this seem daft they were never good enough to be worth loads and the rust on them in the past 10+ years makes them a future disaster with wrot.
Dracoro said:
ManyMotors said:
Given the year, this an "AP2" S2000 and the redline is 8,000 rpm compared to the 9,000 found in the earlier AP1. The AP2 is a 2.2 liter and the AP1 2.0. Both have 240 hp though torque differs.
The latter cars sold here (UK) and Europe/Japan are all all AP1 (pre and post facelift)AP2 is, yes, 2.2 but never sold here, pretty much North America only.
Another random fact here. I managed to average 38mpg out of mine with a boring 300 mile mostly motorway run. Bumped the psi of the tyres up to 36 all around as the tyres were due a change anyway. Was definitely a slightly sketch floaty feeling, but still handled relatively well.
ManyMotors said:
Given the year, this an "AP2" S2000 and the redline is 8,000 rpm compared to the 9,000 found in the earlier AP1. The AP2 is a 2.2 liter and the AP1 2.0. Both have 240 hp though torque differs.
This is a pre face-lift AP1, you can tell by the lights, bumpers and wheels, the facelift cars (2004 onwards) had different numpers and 17 inch wheels, along with quite a few chassis tweaks.As said above AP2s are the 2.2 cars which were not available in Europe. Beard mode off.
I've had mine for almost 10 years, and still love it...it's a really unique thing, and despite having funds for far more exotic stuff the 9k limit and its compact size make it hard to beat in terms of sheer fun on our B roads.
Warren Obhead said:
Both a bit off with the details. Ap2 in europe was a facelift but the engine and redline remained the same. US and maybe some others got the 2.2 engine.
Another random fact here. I managed to average 38mpg out of mine with a boring 300 mile mostly motorway run. Bumped the psi of the tyres up to 36 all around as the tyres were due a change anyway. Was definitely a slightly sketch floaty feeling, but still handled relatively well.
AP2 is the 2.2, AP1 is the 2.0...38mpg is an impressive feat though Another random fact here. I managed to average 38mpg out of mine with a boring 300 mile mostly motorway run. Bumped the psi of the tyres up to 36 all around as the tyres were due a change anyway. Was definitely a slightly sketch floaty feeling, but still handled relatively well.
Warren Obhead said:
Both a bit off with the details.
No, I’m not Warren Obhead said:
Ap2 in europe was a facelift but the engine and redline remained the same. US and maybe some others got the 2.2 engine.
All UK ones were designated AP1.wiki said:
Although all the cosmetic, suspension and most drivetrain upgrades were included on the Japanese, Australian and European models, they retained the 2.0-litre F20C engines and remained designated as AP1 (facelift) models.
For the North American market, the updates also included the introduction of a larger version of the F20C (with a designation of F22C1); this larger engine gave the new model a chassis designation of AP2
For the North American market, the updates also included the introduction of a larger version of the F20C (with a designation of F22C1); this larger engine gave the new model a chassis designation of AP2
trails said:
ManyMotors said:
Given the year, this an "AP2" S2000 and the redline is 8,000 rpm compared to the 9,000 found in the earlier AP1. The AP2 is a 2.2 liter and the AP1 2.0. Both have 240 hp though torque differs.
This is a pre face-lift AP1, you can tell by the lights, bumpers and wheels, the facelift cars (2004 onwards) had different numpers and 17 inch wheels, along with quite a few chassis tweaks.As said above AP2s are the 2.2 cars which were not available in Europe. Beard mode off.
I've had mine for almost 10 years, and still love it...it's a really unique thing, and despite having funds for far more exotic stuff the 9k limit and its compact size make it hard to beat in terms of sheer fun on our B roads.
Warren Obhead
trails
Thank you for your comments as I was not aware of the differences. I had the opportunity to enjoy an AP1 S2000 on the West Coast of the US for around 120 miles. I like vehicles and that S2000 was extremely satisfying. If you own one, enjoy the special occasions it provides.
ManyMotors said:
Dracoro
Warren Obhead
trails
Thank you for your comments as I was not aware of the differences. I had the opportunity to enjoy an AP1 S2000 on the West Coast of the US for around 120 miles. I like vehicles and that S2000 was extremely satisfying. If you own one, enjoy the special occasions it provides.
Warren Obhead
trails
Thank you for your comments as I was not aware of the differences. I had the opportunity to enjoy an AP1 S2000 on the West Coast of the US for around 120 miles. I like vehicles and that S2000 was extremely satisfying. If you own one, enjoy the special occasions it provides.
ManyMotors said:
Given the year, this an "AP2" S2000 and the redline is 8,000 rpm compared to the 9,000 found in the earlier AP1. The AP2 is a 2.2 liter and the AP1 2.0. Both have 240 hp though torque differs.
Didn’t know that. Always thought it was the same engine, and I used to be a salesman for a Honda dealership! (Tbf I was only there for 2 months, told the dealer principal he was a useless t
t)jwwbowe said:
Had a facelift UK car. Fantastic things, 9k rpm with the roof down then snatching another cog from the best manual gearbox ever (it’s up there) proper 
They are a bit lairy in the wet though
Especially on the recommended Bridgestones with a bit af wear. Managed to 180 mine on the A1 in a spell of heavy rain.They are a bit lairy in the wet though
steveb8189 said:
Especially on the recommended Bridgestones with a bit af wear. Managed to 180 mine on the A1 in a spell of heavy rain.
I'm 10 years in with my nurburgring blue (sazuka blue in JDM) 06 car, 6 weeks too old for the cheaper road tax, it's a cracking car.I've little rust bar the engine bay cross member, but had it professionally treated when I bought it. Geo bolts have been done and lubricated with Marine grease... New pads discs and recon callipers all round, New clutch last year at 89k and I've just booked it in for the CV joint cup swap as it's developed a drive line vibration under acceleration (worse with 2 folks in the car).
Myy one rule is when it's wet keep it out of vtec, the 06 car vtec engagement is softer than the earlier cars, but that rule has stood me in good stead over the years, even on the roads up here in Cumbria... I also run Goodyear eagle F1 XL with a couple of extra psi to make up for the softer sidewall, and they are all you would want for fast road use....
jwwbowe said:
They are a bit lairy in the wet though
Bit lairy full stop I am a bit of a Honda fan boy and I’ve had a few over the years. About 10 years ago my local BMW garage took an S2000 in part ex. Being matey with the sales director he offered it to me before it got punted to the trade as it was a bit leggy and the wrong marque. I popped down to have a look at it all excited. I grabbed the keys and took it for a quick spin on some nice derestricred roads near my house. Great engine check, great gearbox check, decent fast 60mph sweeping left hander. Shiiiiiittttttt the bloody thing stepped out at the back in the biggest possible way, incredibly quickly and without the slightest warning. I managed to catch it by the skin of my teeth but it was more by luck than judgement, it promptly snapped back the other way, I was full lock to full lock and managed to catch it again, whereupon it snapped back the other way again. Me and the bloody car danced down the road seesawing from one lock to the other, the last couple of seesaws were at walking pace for Christ sake. I was pissing myself laughing when it finally stopped, partly from relief and partly because I just couldn’t believe anything could be that bad.
I took it straight back very carefully and politely declined it. Never again.
Now to be fair it had a few miles up and I never even looked at the tyres and the tracking could have been all over the place. However badly set up it might have been it drove fine up to the point it let go and then all hell broke loose. I like a bit of oversteer and I firmly believe that throttle induced oversteer is the highest manifestation of virility, but dear god not that lairy.
I took eurostar to Brussels in 2000 to buy mine right hand drive with Honda worldwide warranty silver with red leather but only £20k compared to £29k in uk.
Dealer took me to licensing office and even let me follow him to motorway out of Brussels to make sur I set off in right direction ( no phone satnav then!). Car felt quite small on motorway but we made it back to uk. My main memory is that even on the 15 minute drive home from work that redlining the engine throught the gears on the trip left me shaking when i got home . That engine is glorious and not comparable to any car I have had since including ferraris and astons. I reallythink its amazing that Honda produced this car and engine and it should be a classic . In 2006 .I had a new Cayman and in comparison to the Honda it was good but dull.
Only bad point of S2000 was rear end in that you had to be aware that you could lose it even exiting roundabouts but straight line that engine note and top end vvc boost will always be a happy memory
Dealer took me to licensing office and even let me follow him to motorway out of Brussels to make sur I set off in right direction ( no phone satnav then!). Car felt quite small on motorway but we made it back to uk. My main memory is that even on the 15 minute drive home from work that redlining the engine throught the gears on the trip left me shaking when i got home . That engine is glorious and not comparable to any car I have had since including ferraris and astons. I reallythink its amazing that Honda produced this car and engine and it should be a classic . In 2006 .I had a new Cayman and in comparison to the Honda it was good but dull.
Only bad point of S2000 was rear end in that you had to be aware that you could lose it even exiting roundabouts but straight line that engine note and top end vvc boost will always be a happy memory
bigmowley said:
Bit lairy full stop
I am a bit of a Honda fan boy and I’ve had a few over the years. About 10 years ago my local BMW garage took an S2000 in part ex. Being matey with the sales director he offered it to me before it got punted to the trade as it was a bit leggy and the wrong marque. I popped down to have a look at it all excited. I grabbed the keys and took it for a quick spin on some nice derestricred roads near my house. Great engine check, great gearbox check, decent fast 60mph sweeping left hander. Shiiiiiittttttt the bloody thing stepped out at the back in the biggest possible way, incredibly quickly and without the slightest warning. I managed to catch it by the skin of my teeth but it was more by luck than judgement, it promptly snapped back the other way, I was full lock to full lock and managed to catch it again, whereupon it snapped back the other way again. Me and the bloody car danced down the road seesawing from one lock to the other, the last couple of seesaws were at walking pace for Christ sake. I was pissing myself laughing when it finally stopped, partly from relief and partly because I just couldn’t believe anything could be that bad.
I took it straight back very carefully and politely declined it. Never again.
Now to be fair it had a few miles up and I never even looked at the tyres and the tracking could have been all over the place. However badly set up it might have been it drove fine up to the point it let go and then all hell broke loose. I like a bit of oversteer and I firmly believe that throttle induced oversteer is the highest manifestation of virility, but dear god not that lairy.
Very sensitive when everything is not as intended; my OE nearside rear shock developed a bit of a leak, which I only discovered after it tried to kill me...changing lanes in the dry, the rear end would try and step out if it crossed a raised white line I am a bit of a Honda fan boy and I’ve had a few over the years. About 10 years ago my local BMW garage took an S2000 in part ex. Being matey with the sales director he offered it to me before it got punted to the trade as it was a bit leggy and the wrong marque. I popped down to have a look at it all excited. I grabbed the keys and took it for a quick spin on some nice derestricred roads near my house. Great engine check, great gearbox check, decent fast 60mph sweeping left hander. Shiiiiiittttttt the bloody thing stepped out at the back in the biggest possible way, incredibly quickly and without the slightest warning. I managed to catch it by the skin of my teeth but it was more by luck than judgement, it promptly snapped back the other way, I was full lock to full lock and managed to catch it again, whereupon it snapped back the other way again. Me and the bloody car danced down the road seesawing from one lock to the other, the last couple of seesaws were at walking pace for Christ sake. I was pissing myself laughing when it finally stopped, partly from relief and partly because I just couldn’t believe anything could be that bad.
I took it straight back very carefully and politely declined it. Never again.
Now to be fair it had a few miles up and I never even looked at the tyres and the tracking could have been all over the place. However badly set up it might have been it drove fine up to the point it let go and then all hell broke loose. I like a bit of oversteer and I firmly believe that throttle induced oversteer is the highest manifestation of virility, but dear god not that lairy.
Ohlins are a really good upgrade.
The 2006 model I had wasn't lairy at all. They did various suspension tweaks over the years. The drive by wire throttle on the 06 gets negative comments but i found it totally fine. I drove an 05 one a lot in the years beforehand and don't recall feeling any difference.
I do regret selling the S2000. Rare Bermuda blue with low tax (registered beginning March 06). If I wanted to get back into one I'd probably have to spend double what I sold it for now.
I do regret selling the S2000. Rare Bermuda blue with low tax (registered beginning March 06). If I wanted to get back into one I'd probably have to spend double what I sold it for now.
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