Race and horse transporters banned within M25
Discussion
flemke said:
I recently was on a street that is a border for the CC. If you are driving on this street, you are not liable for the charge. If you turn off the street in the direction of central London, however, you go into the zone.
A side turning off this street was a cul-de-sac mews, no more than 100 metres long. The mews was on the central London side of the border so - you guessed it - there was a full set of these cameras to cover the 100 metres of the cul-de-sac. Pathetic.
A side turning off this street was a cul-de-sac mews, no more than 100 metres long. The mews was on the central London side of the border so - you guessed it - there was a full set of these cameras to cover the 100 metres of the cul-de-sac. Pathetic.
I've seen one like this just before you get to Commercial Street / Spitalfields. Proper old cobbled street that is no longer than a few metres. When you look down it, at the end, there is an old, very brown, brick wall. It is a dead as fried chicken dead end. I wouldn't even call it a street. But the cameras are there...
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sjn2004 said:
So what about all those Eastern European registered sh1t heaps? I guess they get a freebie(what a surprise).
Why not buy one of the aforementioned Eastern European lorries. IIRC you only have to register it in the UK if it's here for more than 6 months at a time. A good way of sticking two fingers up at that Livingstone t
t!SiH said:
sjn2004 said:
So what about all those Eastern European registered sh1t heaps? I guess they get a freebie(what a surprise).
Why not buy one of the aforementioned Eastern European lorries. IIRC you only have to register it in the UK if it's here for more than 6 months at a time. A good way of sticking two fingers up at that Livingstone tt!KL can't enforce this per se because the M25 region doesn't all come under his control. However as has been rightly mentioned, the other counties could do the same.
If this issue does affect a number of people then I'd reccomend perhaps getting together as a group, pooling a few quid each and seeing a solicitor about it. That way the cost burden is spread and you'll be able to afford a decent one.
Got no idea what any challenge would rest on. I just have a hunch that it may not be totally legal in all ways. The system is just too wide ranging, and excessive in punishment. In addition to that introducing policies with retrospective effects is always quite difficult.
If this issue does affect a number of people then I'd reccomend perhaps getting together as a group, pooling a few quid each and seeing a solicitor about it. That way the cost burden is spread and you'll be able to afford a decent one.
Got no idea what any challenge would rest on. I just have a hunch that it may not be totally legal in all ways. The system is just too wide ranging, and excessive in punishment. In addition to that introducing policies with retrospective effects is always quite difficult.
If you tax the vehicle as PLG then effectively it is now a private vehicle. Ensure you have "Not for hire or reward" on the doors. I have not read the legislation on LEZ but it will be written to encompass company owned/operated commercial vehicles that operate frequently within London/Greater London.
If the vehicle is re-classified as PLG then it is no longer a commercial vehicle
Allan
If the vehicle is re-classified as PLG then it is no longer a commercial vehicle
Allan
Maybe this is obvious, but Londoners keep voting for Ken. Presumably you lot knew about his politics when you were stood in the voting booth did you?
The OP's original post hits the spot though. The arrogance of Transport for London in it's blanket treatment is amazing. They just "assume" you have a fleet and all the money in the world freely lying about to just go an buy new emissions compliant vehicles within less than 18 months from when the annoucement was made in the press.
Of course what these bloody idiots don't realise (or choose to ignore) is that many operators of these vehicles are small companies or even individuals like the OP, and that unlike our tax-funded chums like Ken and TfL there isn't a bottomless pit of money to pay for it all.
Clearly TfL have too much money already. I wonder what the cost of mail-shotting every registered truck operator in the county must have come to?
The OP's original post hits the spot though. The arrogance of Transport for London in it's blanket treatment is amazing. They just "assume" you have a fleet and all the money in the world freely lying about to just go an buy new emissions compliant vehicles within less than 18 months from when the annoucement was made in the press.
Of course what these bloody idiots don't realise (or choose to ignore) is that many operators of these vehicles are small companies or even individuals like the OP, and that unlike our tax-funded chums like Ken and TfL there isn't a bottomless pit of money to pay for it all.
Clearly TfL have too much money already. I wonder what the cost of mail-shotting every registered truck operator in the county must have come to?
"Maybe this is obvious, but Londoners keep voting for Ken. Presumably you lot knew about his politics when you were stood in the voting booth did you?"
I'm in a London and I never voted for that little 5h1t to get back in, but he's here and not a lot we can do about it....
Every main road into london now has his 'emmission zone' cameras up and running (they mostly are all well inside london not near the m25). Its disgracefull what the little toad is getting away with, how can they implement £200 charge and get away with it?
I'm in a London and I never voted for that little 5h1t to get back in, but he's here and not a lot we can do about it....
Every main road into london now has his 'emmission zone' cameras up and running (they mostly are all well inside london not near the m25). Its disgracefull what the little toad is getting away with, how can they implement £200 charge and get away with it?
Weltmeister said:
If you tax the vehicle as PLG then effectively it is now a private vehicle. Ensure you have "Not for hire or reward" on the doors. I have not read the legislation on LEZ but it will be written to encompass company owned/operated commercial vehicles that operate frequently within London/Greater London.
If the vehicle is re-classified as PLG then it is no longer a commercial vehicle
Allan
I'm unsure where you get your information, but I don't see this "exemption" listed on the TfL website. Otherwise, for instance, motor caravans would be exempted.If the vehicle is re-classified as PLG then it is no longer a commercial vehicle
Allan
However, the exemptions listed are:
TfL said:
* Vehicles designed and built for mainly off-road use, but which may be used on the road for limited purposes. Such vehicles include agricultural and forestry tractors, mowing machines, agricultural & farm machinery and equipment, mobile cranes and road & building construction machinery;
* Historic vehicles (those constructed before 1 January 1973); and
* Military vehicles registered in Great Britain.
Given that, as far as I can tell, a well-maintained old truck should go on forever, I suspect simply buying a pre-73 truck could be quite a good bet. If the fuel economy isn't good enough for you, re-engine it with a more modern engine - there could be quite a lucrative business here for a short while :-)* Historic vehicles (those constructed before 1 January 1973); and
* Military vehicles registered in Great Britain.
To be honest, in general, I'm in favour of this move, as the particulate levels in London have been horrid for a very long time. What irks me, however, if the imposition of this by TfL without any obvious consultation or debtate. But, much as I dislike Ken, taking tough choices is one of the jobs of the politician in the wider interests of society; this seems to be just such a case.
Done !Livingstone did not stay in his position of power because people voted him there. He stayed there because too many apathetic whingers did not turn out to vote and vote the megalomaniac out. Bit like phoney Toney and his cronies.
Even if this rule applied to buses and suchlike, guess who would end up paying for it? The same people who are going to pay for the upgrading of Fire Appliances and Ambulances, you and me (if you live in london like i do)
Would the last person to leave the country, please turn the lights off?
Even if this rule applied to buses and suchlike, guess who would end up paying for it? The same people who are going to pay for the upgrading of Fire Appliances and Ambulances, you and me (if you live in london like i do)
Would the last person to leave the country, please turn the lights off?
To the OP
1] Is the vehicle registered to you or to a business ?
2] Do you have an Operators Licence ?
3] Do you use the tacho ?
If yes to any one of these, I would recommend that you convert it to a speedo from a tacho and mot it as a PLG effectively it is now a car. Tax it PLG and in your own name, put not for hire on the doors etc etc. That way no O licence reqd.
If none of these can be done then u are ferked
Allan
1] Is the vehicle registered to you or to a business ?
2] Do you have an Operators Licence ?
3] Do you use the tacho ?
If yes to any one of these, I would recommend that you convert it to a speedo from a tacho and mot it as a PLG effectively it is now a car. Tax it PLG and in your own name, put not for hire on the doors etc etc. That way no O licence reqd.
If none of these can be done then u are ferked
Allan
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