RE: Eco-Towns To 'Charge Cars To Leave'
Discussion
NATM5 said:
Honestly, like the first comment they would charge me once...............on the way out.
Id like to see them do the weekly shopping for a family of 4 on the bus...........
or take the kids to their swimming lesson, or music lesson , or football on a sat/sun morning.
All of these measures are just stealth / more taxes.
Im sick of the green scaremongers wanting to charge everyone for everything. What you going to charge me next............for breathing .?
As for public transport, well that sucks...........its already overcrowded, extremely expensive, slow and dirty.
I can solve the whole green issue though, its very very simple.
POPULATION CONTROL..............not popular but there you have it. Put simply the planet is overcrowded. Think of it as a fish tank that is designed to hold 50 fish. Now put 150 fish in it and surprise surprise, the pump cant cope, neither can the filter, food is short etc etc.............same with our planet. Its not about being super green..........( although that of course helps ) ..the planet can sustain our current level of cleanliness ( for want of a better expression )if there were less people. Its not popular and there are some that will say its politically incorrect. However its a fact..............whether you like it or not.
We need to start by stopping immigration , encouraging migration and introduce super taxes on anyone who has more that 2 kids. Its not necessary to have 3,4,5 or more children. 1 Or 2 kids fullfills all maternal/parental needs/urges..............thats the start. In fact there should be tax breaks for couples who decide not to have kids, and over the next 100 years youll find the uk has a more sustainable economy than it has currently. If you look overseas at whats considered the third world, its common thinking that the more kids you have the more income comes into the household.
Its that kind of mentality that has to change.
Its my 2 peneth worth, its not popular but i know im 100 % right.
Regards
Nat.
I agree.Id like to see them do the weekly shopping for a family of 4 on the bus...........
or take the kids to their swimming lesson, or music lesson , or football on a sat/sun morning.
All of these measures are just stealth / more taxes.
Im sick of the green scaremongers wanting to charge everyone for everything. What you going to charge me next............for breathing .?
As for public transport, well that sucks...........its already overcrowded, extremely expensive, slow and dirty.
I can solve the whole green issue though, its very very simple.
POPULATION CONTROL..............not popular but there you have it. Put simply the planet is overcrowded. Think of it as a fish tank that is designed to hold 50 fish. Now put 150 fish in it and surprise surprise, the pump cant cope, neither can the filter, food is short etc etc.............same with our planet. Its not about being super green..........( although that of course helps ) ..the planet can sustain our current level of cleanliness ( for want of a better expression )if there were less people. Its not popular and there are some that will say its politically incorrect. However its a fact..............whether you like it or not.
We need to start by stopping immigration , encouraging migration and introduce super taxes on anyone who has more that 2 kids. Its not necessary to have 3,4,5 or more children. 1 Or 2 kids fullfills all maternal/parental needs/urges..............thats the start. In fact there should be tax breaks for couples who decide not to have kids, and over the next 100 years youll find the uk has a more sustainable economy than it has currently. If you look overseas at whats considered the third world, its common thinking that the more kids you have the more income comes into the household.
Its that kind of mentality that has to change.
Its my 2 peneth worth, its not popular but i know im 100 % right.
Regards
Nat.
breeding such a surplus is fine if you're a frog or an antelope and know that, quite clinically, only about a quarter of your offspring are going to make it through childhood, but as humans, we have no such qualms.
I like the fishtank analogy, I'll use that again I think.
Don't you all understand this yet?
These are towns for the unemployable! With fat kids who sit in front of games consoles all day and night.
They won't need cars because they'll be on benefits; in brand new social housing...
Eco towns are the slums of the future - within 10 years they'll be no-go regions for 'normal people' and the whole area will be a graffiti tagged gangland war zone.
These are towns for the unemployable! With fat kids who sit in front of games consoles all day and night.
They won't need cars because they'll be on benefits; in brand new social housing...
Eco towns are the slums of the future - within 10 years they'll be no-go regions for 'normal people' and the whole area will be a graffiti tagged gangland war zone.
john_r said:
Don't you all understand this yet?
These are towns for the unemployable! With fat kids who sit in front of games consoles all day and night.
They won't need cars because they'll be on benefits; in brand new social housing...
Eco towns are the slums of the future - within 10 years they'll be no-go regions for 'normal people' and the whole area will be a graffiti tagged gangland war zone.
I think you could well be right.These are towns for the unemployable! With fat kids who sit in front of games consoles all day and night.
They won't need cars because they'll be on benefits; in brand new social housing...
Eco towns are the slums of the future - within 10 years they'll be no-go regions for 'normal people' and the whole area will be a graffiti tagged gangland war zone.
I might have known Tesco would be involved somewhere-the whole town is probably going to be financed with their cash just so they get "exclusive" rights to a site.
As for selling houses with no garages- well I can only suggest they name it Cloud Cuckoo Town !
Stupid stupid wannabe planet savers--- all so very wrong.
john_r said:
Don't you all understand this yet?
These are towns for the unemployable! With fat kids who sit in front of games consoles all day and night.
They won't need cars because they'll be on benefits; in brand new social housing...
Eco towns are the slums of the future - within 10 years they'll be no-go regions for 'normal people' and the whole area will be a graffiti tagged gangland war zone.
Not sure about that. I think they'll become the final betrayal for my generation. Having screwed up our education and made us pay through the nose to go to university, only to find the degree's worthless, we can't afford a house and the cost of living is such that we barely break even.These are towns for the unemployable! With fat kids who sit in front of games consoles all day and night.
They won't need cars because they'll be on benefits; in brand new social housing...
Eco towns are the slums of the future - within 10 years they'll be no-go regions for 'normal people' and the whole area will be a graffiti tagged gangland war zone.
Now they're building towns for us, where we can rot away like prisoners. We'll be unable to drive and anything that involves consuming power will be frowned upon and restricted.
But it'll be the only places we can afford.
IMO the next sink estates will be those inner-city 'executive developments' in dreadful areas, in the name of 'regeneration', that no-one wants to buy. Eventually the only way they'll get people into them will be to drop the price and sell to the locals.
What gets my goat is that cars are singled out as inefficent, CO2-heavy and 'unnecessary luxuries' when as we know they serve a pretty key purpose (getting us to work/school!) 
When is someone going to stand up and point out all the millions of other human activities that use energy and could be considered 'unnecessary'. You could say that strictly speaking all sport, entertainment and art is not essential to our lives. Why use energy and other resources on it?
e.g. The Olympics. Putting aside the criminal waste of taxpayers money, if the environment/C02/oil/global warming situation is really that desperate why are we endorsing a massive construction program and tens of thousands of people flying to the UK from all over the world?!!?? All just for two weeks of games?
Or another example would be football. Why allow a couple of million people to 'waste' energy travelling to matches on a saturday afternoon? Can't they all watch it on TV with empty stadiums?!?
I'm not actually saying this is what i think should happen, but when you start classifying certain activities as 'wasteful' or 'an unnecessary use of resources' where exactly do you stop?
Of course cars get picked on because most people have no choice in whether or not to use them and its easy to pretend that the public transort 'alternative' is there when for most people it isn't.
Also the petrol in->pollution out relationship of a car is a lot more obvious than how much C02 is generated by an art gallery or an episode of Eastenders!
Eco-towns = another clear indication that we need some people in touch with reality running things.
When is someone going to stand up and point out all the millions of other human activities that use energy and could be considered 'unnecessary'. You could say that strictly speaking all sport, entertainment and art is not essential to our lives. Why use energy and other resources on it?
e.g. The Olympics. Putting aside the criminal waste of taxpayers money, if the environment/C02/oil/global warming situation is really that desperate why are we endorsing a massive construction program and tens of thousands of people flying to the UK from all over the world?!!?? All just for two weeks of games?
Or another example would be football. Why allow a couple of million people to 'waste' energy travelling to matches on a saturday afternoon? Can't they all watch it on TV with empty stadiums?!?
I'm not actually saying this is what i think should happen, but when you start classifying certain activities as 'wasteful' or 'an unnecessary use of resources' where exactly do you stop?
Of course cars get picked on because most people have no choice in whether or not to use them and its easy to pretend that the public transort 'alternative' is there when for most people it isn't.
Also the petrol in->pollution out relationship of a car is a lot more obvious than how much C02 is generated by an art gallery or an episode of Eastenders!
Eco-towns = another clear indication that we need some people in touch with reality running things.
THX138 said:
How the British Public is viewed by the Government
I view the British public as a large dog which the Government abuses continually, the dog is putting up with it at the mo, but oneday it will decide it's had enough and maul the Government to death.Edited by cowellsj on Thursday 12th June 12:36
NATM5 said:
In fact there should be tax breaks for couples who decide not to have kids, and over the next 100 years youll find the uk has a more sustainable economy than it has currently. If you look overseas at whats considered the third world, its common thinking that the more kids you have the more income comes into the household.
I agree with you completely except maybe how about instead of taxing less the people who have fewer kids, just stop giving money to those that have them! If people had to pay out of their own pocket for their screaming sprogs, they'd soon stop having any them. Bring a bit of evolution, survival of the fittest, back into this rapidly degrading situation. All the current child benefit schemes (family tax credits, family allowance benefits etc) are just a way of circulating money and carving off a slice in government paperpushers every time it goes round the loop, the by product is mass breeding of the very last portion of the population you should be encouraging!This comedy eco-town idea is another step towards a crazy communist state where everyone works for the state and the state hands out what it sees fit. Can't we just post Gordon Brown and the rest of his rag tag bunch to China? I for one wouldn't buy a house there and don't know anyone who would!
Business idea - a car care and luxury valeting centre just beyond the boundaries of the eco-town, by one of the bus/tram/bike routes.
Services:
Services:
- Car storage
- Car cleaning and valeting
- Car maintenance (perhaps)
- Bike storage
- Showers, changing, cafe
- Rolling road
Edited by ewenm on Thursday 12th June 12:53
It's fails to mention that they will have to knock a few thousand trees and stuff the wildlife to build - The Superstore will take priority - but hey - its an eco town so thats fine - as long as the big corporates and the government makes money - who are we to talk?
Synic? - me? - no just bludgeoned to death with charges!
Synic? - me? - no just bludgeoned to death with charges!
I'm sure they'll be doing C5s for a fiver soon.
Next time you make the mistake of a morally indefensible convenience call {because you've run out of sufficient Stella with which to numb the pain,} it won't be some besuited gent from the subcontinent haranguing you to take advantage of their free dental care, it'll be a newly refurbished eletcric chariot with inbuilt homing beacon from your Satanco sponsored ecohut twice a week back to the pertinent foodtuffs bays for which your skin grafted carbon quota chip still possesses credit...
Think I'm joking?
Keep eating the s
t these s shovel.
Where art thee, V?
Next time you make the mistake of a morally indefensible convenience call {because you've run out of sufficient Stella with which to numb the pain,} it won't be some besuited gent from the subcontinent haranguing you to take advantage of their free dental care, it'll be a newly refurbished eletcric chariot with inbuilt homing beacon from your Satanco sponsored ecohut twice a week back to the pertinent foodtuffs bays for which your skin grafted carbon quota chip still possesses credit...
Think I'm joking?
Keep eating the s
t these s shovel.Where art thee, V?
So how exactly are these eco friendly towns going to get all the resources in to make them? Building a whole new town can't be that good for your carbon footprint I imagine.
It does seem like a open prison there, I suspect there won't be many jobs apart from shop based ones? Have they even thought about creating jobs or is it actually for the unemployed scroungers?
Is there going to be a decent regular public transport out of there? A train a couple of times a day? can't be that eco friendly either as it'll need tracks built, and if that doesn't get used then its more damaging to the environment, I guess they are planting a load of tree's to make up their neutral footprint?
.
It does seem like a open prison there, I suspect there won't be many jobs apart from shop based ones? Have they even thought about creating jobs or is it actually for the unemployed scroungers?
Is there going to be a decent regular public transport out of there? A train a couple of times a day? can't be that eco friendly either as it'll need tracks built, and if that doesn't get used then its more damaging to the environment, I guess they are planting a load of tree's to make up their neutral footprint?
. They say these places need to be Carbon neutral - they want to build one the other side of my road, at Ford in East Sussex. We calculate that the current wheat and other crops grown on these farms absorb 6454 tonnes of CO2 each year - so before this place becomes carbon neutral, they are already in deficit!
They call it brown field - because in the Second World War they built a runway and a few hangars. The hangars have been used for warehouses ever since - apart from the runway, the whole area has been farmed continuously for 50 years. CPRE reckon it's about 3% brownfield - at the most generous we can be, it's 13% brownfield.
But of course there are no planned improvements to the roads - so don't bother coming down here to the Arundel area for a holiday any more.
Did I say that their 'Eco' energy source is going to be the paper and cardboard that you carefully separate out for recycling? Delivered by lorry of course!
Please sign the petition to stop this idiocy!
http://www.petitiononline.com/rk3d6507/petition.ht...
They call it brown field - because in the Second World War they built a runway and a few hangars. The hangars have been used for warehouses ever since - apart from the runway, the whole area has been farmed continuously for 50 years. CPRE reckon it's about 3% brownfield - at the most generous we can be, it's 13% brownfield.
But of course there are no planned improvements to the roads - so don't bother coming down here to the Arundel area for a holiday any more.
Did I say that their 'Eco' energy source is going to be the paper and cardboard that you carefully separate out for recycling? Delivered by lorry of course!
Please sign the petition to stop this idiocy!
http://www.petitiononline.com/rk3d6507/petition.ht...
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff