RE: Audi S3 S tronic
Discussion
Cassius81 said:
Nickpan has nailed it.
This car is about people who want Audi image and build quality and are willing to pay for it... They don't want something covered in spoilers with a dodgy boy racer image, but still want the speed...(or most of it).
In my view, you cannot compare classy, understated cars like these with any Evo or Scooby - they are totally different cars built with different people and roles in mind... But thats my view....
Totally agree.This car is about people who want Audi image and build quality and are willing to pay for it... They don't want something covered in spoilers with a dodgy boy racer image, but still want the speed...(or most of it).
In my view, you cannot compare classy, understated cars like these with any Evo or Scooby - they are totally different cars built with different people and roles in mind... But thats my view....
I sold my (old shape) S3 to buy an Evo. They are chalk and cheese.
The S3 is about mid-level luxury with a bit of performance thrown in, the Evo is about balls-out performance with no compromises.
I would rather be a passenger in an S3 and the driver in the Evo. The other way round doesn't interest me at all.
youngsyr said:
Cassius81 said:
Nickpan has nailed it.
This car is about people who want Audi image and build quality and are willing to pay for it... They don't want something covered in spoilers with a dodgy boy racer image, but still want the speed...(or most of it).
In my view, you cannot compare classy, understated cars like these with any Evo or Scooby - they are totally different cars built with different people and roles in mind... But thats my view....
Totally agree.This car is about people who want Audi image and build quality and are willing to pay for it... They don't want something covered in spoilers with a dodgy boy racer image, but still want the speed...(or most of it).
In my view, you cannot compare classy, understated cars like these with any Evo or Scooby - they are totally different cars built with different people and roles in mind... But thats my view....
I sold my (old shape) S3 to buy an Evo. They are chalk and cheese.
The S3 is about mid-level luxury with a bit of performance thrown in, the Evo is about balls-out performance with no compromises.
I would rather be a passenger in an S3 and the driver in the Evo. The other way round doesn't interest me at all.
Ex Boy Racer said:
just a comment on the so-called improvement on acceleration. Surely what we all enjoy when we put our foot down is that feeling of being pushed back into our seats. This happens, obviously, when drive is engaged. So, reducing 0-60 times by making the changes quicker will not make the car more exciting or quicker in perception. In the same way that gearing a car so the gearchange happens after it's hit 60 does not make it a faster accelerator overall than a car that requires a gearchange and therefore has a slower 0-60.
Which leaves us with the question - with all of these slick changing boxes coming out, what measure can we use to determine which car has the shove we're all after?
I can tell you that with the manual S3 it hits 62mph (100kph) just as hits the rev limniter, so in real terms the 0-62 is not what is published, because to accelerate hard and continue on smoothly beyond 62 you are changing gear at 58. Its real world that really maters, not just a figuire for a magazine. I am with racer boy on this.... I just want to know how and why it needs 7 ratios and where they have put these in. As mentioned earlier in the manual you are changing gear all the time and I dont see how the car can help you with this on this sort of box, you have to go thru every gear, or hit the paddle twice between some shifts. I wonder if 1st is still as short as it is in the manaul. I sound very anti s-tronic and dsg... but i am not, in the golf the dsg makes the car, but in theory I cant see how this is improving the S3 in the real world. oh well.Which leaves us with the question - with all of these slick changing boxes coming out, what measure can we use to determine which car has the shove we're all after?
dazsmith69 said:
youngsyr said:
Cassius81 said:
Nickpan has nailed it.
This car is about people who want Audi image and build quality and are willing to pay for it... They don't want something covered in spoilers with a dodgy boy racer image, but still want the speed...(or most of it).
In my view, you cannot compare classy, understated cars like these with any Evo or Scooby - they are totally different cars built with different people and roles in mind... But thats my view....
Totally agree.This car is about people who want Audi image and build quality and are willing to pay for it... They don't want something covered in spoilers with a dodgy boy racer image, but still want the speed...(or most of it).
In my view, you cannot compare classy, understated cars like these with any Evo or Scooby - they are totally different cars built with different people and roles in mind... But thats my view....
I sold my (old shape) S3 to buy an Evo. They are chalk and cheese.
The S3 is about mid-level luxury with a bit of performance thrown in, the Evo is about balls-out performance with no compromises.
I would rather be a passenger in an S3 and the driver in the Evo. The other way round doesn't interest me at all.
My friend also has a TT from the same era and curses the day he bought it. Amongst his many problems are at least 2 coil pack failures and his gearbox is currently graunching after not even 30,000 miles of gentle driving.
Hi i do think the s tronic box is abit of a waste of money,but i have a S3 SPORTBACK and it is a lovely bit of kit . just over 27K on road then add afew non-essential toys makes it not that bad on price.Ok abit high ,but keeps the boys from buying them.Done the jap thing and now glad to have a class change. A 4-wheel drive golf it is not.
youngsyr said:
dazsmith69 said:
youngsyr said:
Cassius81 said:
Nickpan has nailed it.
This car is about people who want Audi image and build quality and are willing to pay for it... They don't want something covered in spoilers with a dodgy boy racer image, but still want the speed...(or most of it).
In my view, you cannot compare classy, understated cars like these with any Evo or Scooby - they are totally different cars built with different people and roles in mind... But thats my view....
Totally agree.This car is about people who want Audi image and build quality and are willing to pay for it... They don't want something covered in spoilers with a dodgy boy racer image, but still want the speed...(or most of it).
In my view, you cannot compare classy, understated cars like these with any Evo or Scooby - they are totally different cars built with different people and roles in mind... But thats my view....
I sold my (old shape) S3 to buy an Evo. They are chalk and cheese.
The S3 is about mid-level luxury with a bit of performance thrown in, the Evo is about balls-out performance with no compromises.
I would rather be a passenger in an S3 and the driver in the Evo. The other way round doesn't interest me at all.
My friend also has a TT from the same era and curses the day he bought it. Amongst his many problems are at least 2 coil pack failures and his gearbox is currently graunching after not even 30,000 miles of gentle driving.
Central locking box gave up the ghost and screwed my alarm, windows, hazards lights would randomly come on. also if i really nail it, it crunches into 2nd.
nevermind... lol
general190 said:
...to me it puts it out of the hot hatch catagory because i thought the whole point of the hot hatch was that its was fast but affordable!?
I would have thought that a hot hatch was a car that was fast and a hatchback, nothing to do with cost. The clue is kind of in the name. I was out for a new car and wanted a fast 3 door hatch, I happened to have a budget of around £30k, so I got the S3. Why have the Golf or Focus when you can afford and prefer the S3? I didn't want anything bigger, so why bother with the 3-series?
You're right, it isn't cheap. But so what?
S3_Graham said:
youngsyr said:
dazsmith69 said:
youngsyr said:
Cassius81 said:
Nickpan has nailed it.
This car is about people who want Audi image and build quality and are willing to pay for it... They don't want something covered in spoilers with a dodgy boy racer image, but still want the speed...(or most of it).
In my view, you cannot compare classy, understated cars like these with any Evo or Scooby - they are totally different cars built with different people and roles in mind... But thats my view....
Totally agree.This car is about people who want Audi image and build quality and are willing to pay for it... They don't want something covered in spoilers with a dodgy boy racer image, but still want the speed...(or most of it).
In my view, you cannot compare classy, understated cars like these with any Evo or Scooby - they are totally different cars built with different people and roles in mind... But thats my view....
I sold my (old shape) S3 to buy an Evo. They are chalk and cheese.
The S3 is about mid-level luxury with a bit of performance thrown in, the Evo is about balls-out performance with no compromises.
I would rather be a passenger in an S3 and the driver in the Evo. The other way round doesn't interest me at all.
My friend also has a TT from the same era and curses the day he bought it. Amongst his many problems are at least 2 coil pack failures and his gearbox is currently graunching after not even 30,000 miles of gentle driving.
Central locking box gave up the ghost and screwed my alarm, windows, hazards lights would randomly come on. also if i really nail it, it crunches into 2nd.
nevermind... lol
So much for German build quality.
I think they're great. Only £4k more than an R32 with it's rather out gunned, but fantastic sounding and brilliantly torquey engine? Seems about right surely? It's quite a bit quicker, and an owner on another forum reckons that standard ones are making 280bhp on the rollers... The problem with the R32 is that the 230bhp Golfs are as quick, if not quicker, and even the 200bhp ones can remap to 250bhp - although comparing stock to modded is unfair, it's worth thinking about, but you're still fwd. The awd Golfs and Audis are immensely capable down a country road, the extra ability especially noticeable in damp or wet conditions. I'd rather a stock R32 down a nice, soaking wet and leaf stroon set of those lovely twisties with a really open view of what's ahead, than a Edition 30 with a 300bhp remap... I've seen car supermarket places selling allegedly UK R32s for a nice chunk less than £25k+, IIRC they were about £22k.
Although for pure speed, that new special edition 306bhp Dutch Leon Cupra would be hard to match in a straight line... once you've got it off the line heh
Unless of course you tuned the S3 as well, 340-350bhp seems to be quite common an quite easy with them, and, assuming the clutch or the dsg (or its clutch(es)) was up to it, launching would be much easier. And IMO the look of all 4 wheels just been overcome by too much power, and all lighting together up is just awesome (not too sure what the S3 with, presumably Haldex AWD would do mind you).
Dan
Although for pure speed, that new special edition 306bhp Dutch Leon Cupra would be hard to match in a straight line... once you've got it off the line heh
Unless of course you tuned the S3 as well, 340-350bhp seems to be quite common an quite easy with them, and, assuming the clutch or the dsg (or its clutch(es)) was up to it, launching would be much easier. And IMO the look of all 4 wheels just been overcome by too much power, and all lighting together up is just awesome (not too sure what the S3 with, presumably Haldex AWD would do mind you).Dan
Ex Boy Racer said:
just a comment on the so-called improvement on acceleration. Surely what we all enjoy when we put our foot down is that feeling of being pushed back into our seats. This happens, obviously, when drive is engaged. So, reducing 0-60 times by making the changes quicker will not make the car more exciting or quicker in perception. In the same way that gearing a car so the gearchange happens after it's hit 60 does not make it a faster accelerator overall than a car that requires a gearchange and therefore has a slower 0-60.
Which leaves us with the question - with all of these slick changing boxes coming out, what measure can we use to determine which car has the shove we're all after?
In-gear acceleration? 50-70 in the best gear, i.e. A-road overtaking perhaps.Which leaves us with the question - with all of these slick changing boxes coming out, what measure can we use to determine which car has the shove we're all after?
Thing is, if the gearchange is quicker, you'll get the next 'hit' of acceleration sooner. I'd love to know how the acceleration of a seriously powerful electric car felt - very different to a petrol car?
topaz said:
Why would you buy one of these instead of a new scirroco?? Anyhow, I agree with general190 and I've got a 335i which is just sublime.No tractor rattle and gorgeous sound. You can't beat a straight six!!
I agree, why would you want an S3 when the similarly sized Scirocco is much prettier and cheaper? I mean, how many people actually want a nicer interior, an extra 100 bhp and 4wd?
Can't see the point of it as I assume it still has the slow reacting "cheap Quattro" Haldex which badly let the car down (I ran an old shape S3 for 2 years and sold it as I was sick of the poor cornering grip). Yes traction was good but by the time you can use it you have missed the apex anyway because of all that understeer. Of course, driven at 7/10th it's fine, but why not buy a diesel then.
Depreciation will be VERY bad as at this price, it's almost an obsolete product in the current climate. This must be such an heavy car too.
Difference in performance and emmissions is pure Marketing BS (quality BS though).
Depreciation will be VERY bad as at this price, it's almost an obsolete product in the current climate. This must be such an heavy car too.
Difference in performance and emmissions is pure Marketing BS (quality BS though).
Everyone to their own. I had a new scooby before my new s3 and a M3 E46 before that a mini cooper s when they first came out (worst hot hatch ever). They are all different and all made me smile for different reasons. I have found that this S3 Sportback to be practical and allround good car.The Quattro system has been played with on the new 58 models as well as other tweeks. My friend lives in london and he's selling his R32 for a new TT it's 6 months old it drinks ,tax is high and re-sell is low....sounds nice ...Sirocco looked at one before ordering the S3 sportback interior not good not as quick no 4 wheel drive for the wife and by the time i spec'd it to the Audi the price wasn't far off ....
dazsmith69 said:
stupidly priced, go and buy a mint EVO OR Subaru, alot more performance and handling for your money, if you want an Audi badge on the front fair enough (pay for the name and common as muck now), for me theyre very overpriced for what u get (unless your talking RS4 models and up)
We're not all chavs who want a Subaru or Evo or any other Japanese tin box with lots of ugly spoilers glued to it, some people appreciate class and quality.Do you have one of those enormous HiFi's like those from the 80's in your lounge? with lots of bright lights and speakers as tall as the ceiling? You may like the Japanese bad image, poor quality interior, resale value drop through the floor type cars, but a lot of people would rather buy something slower but nicer.
If it is exclusively about speed, buy a £5000 RX7 and tune it to have 10000BHP, then you can go as fast as you like and still have a classless car.
Edited by Vagabond on Wednesday 1st October 10:03
Vagabond said:
dazsmith69 said:
stupidly priced, go and buy a mint EVO OR Subaru, alot more performance and handling for your money, if you want an Audi badge on the front fair enough (pay for the name and common as muck now), for me theyre very overpriced for what u get (unless your talking RS4 models and up)
We're not all chavs who want a Subaru or Evo or any other Japanese tin box with lots of ugly spoilers glued to it, some people appreciate class and quality.Do you have one of those enormous HiFi's like those from the 80's in your lounge? with lots of bright lights and speakers as tall as the ceiling? You may like the Japanese bad image, poor quality interior, resale value drop through the floor type cars, but a lot of people would rather buy something slower but nicer.
If it is exclusively about speed, buy a £5000 RX7 and tune it to have 10000BHP, then you can go as fast as you like and still have a classless car.
Edited by Vagabond on Wednesday 1st October 10:03
your an idiot, think before you post something like that in the future branding all jap cars as chav, you obviously know nothing about cars
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