Car scrapping incentive

[Nolar Dog]

Welshbeef said:

I fully agree about the age 10 years is nothing, perfectly fine cars at that age and even 15yo.

Excuse me!

My little XR2 is 25 this year and in fabulous condition.
Just about to become my new daily driver for Spring.

[Welshbeef]

Nolar Dog said:

Welshbeef said:

I fully agree about the age 10 years is nothing, perfectly fine cars at that age and even 15yo.

Excuse me!

My little XR2 is 25 this year and in fabulous condition.
Just about to become my new daily driver for Spring.

Have I mistyped in a previous post in this thread?
Its up to the owner thats the beauty of it - ITS NOT COMPULSORY.

ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY

Maybe that puts the record straight & is clear enough

[cheesesliceking]

Welshbeef said:

Mr POD said:

Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?

I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.

Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.

I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.

I skim read most of your posts as you're a post whoring troll who loves the attention and skim reading as as much as you deserve.

[Welshbeef]

cheesesliceking said:

Welshbeef said:

Mr POD said:

Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?

I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.

Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.

I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.

I skim read most of your posts as you're a post whoring troll who loves the attention and skim reading as as much as you deserve.

Looking at your car history list I guess this would thread would stick in your neck. Oh well we can't all drive around in past it Toyota's.

[chrisr29]

Welshbeef said:

chrisr29 said:

Welshbeef said:

http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/Motoring-Costs/Car-s...

Interesting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the st boxes we have on the roads.

This is a choice policy so classic cars would not be impacted in any way or if your P&J is a clapped out Cavalier 1.4L then thats fine BUT it gives the vast majority of old car owners a sensible choice.

Views.

What a complete load of bks! The reason for the majority of 'st boxes' on the roads is that that's all some people can afford! If the best they can manage is a 100 quid old nail how the hell they gonna be able to afford several hundred quid a month financing a new one!?

fk me you didnt read that link at all did you??

Greece pay £600-800 for scrap cars. If you have a car thats on its last legs and a big repair bill coming along you can scrap it and get one for maybe £1.5k.

Why are you suggesting anyone gets finance?

Note several hundred a month financing assuming HP is going to be a £10k used car. I'd say they should go for a £1-1.5k car & if your taken the time to read my posts I said save up so then scrap value + savings = far newer car and no big repair issue.

Yup I read it. Just pointing out the reason for so called 'st boxes' being on the roads. ie THAT'S ALL THAT SOME FOLK CAN AFFORD!

Still think it's a bks idea.

[whoami]

Welshbeef said:

cheesesliceking said:

Welshbeef said:

Mr POD said:

Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?

I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.

Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.

I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.

I skim read most of your posts as you're a post whoring troll who loves the attention and skim reading as as much as you deserve.

Looking at your car history list I guess this would thread would stick in your neck. Oh well we can't all drive around in past it Toyota's.

Are you being serious?????

[Welshbeef]

whoami said:

Welshbeef said:

cheesesliceking said:

Welshbeef said:

Mr POD said:

Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?

I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.

Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.

I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.

I skim read most of your posts as you're a post whoring troll who loves the attention and skim reading as as much as you deserve.

Looking at your car history list I guess this would thread would stick in your neck. Oh well we can't all drive around in past it Toyota's.

Are you being serious?????

No he was just being an idiot & rude to me so a suitable retort.

[raharley]

So the used car market for cars <£600 will evaporate?

[chrisr29]

whoami said:

Welshbeef said:

cheesesliceking said:

Welshbeef said:

Mr POD said:

Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?

I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.

Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.

I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.

I skim read most of your posts as you're a post whoring troll who loves the attention and skim reading as as much as you deserve.

Looking at your car history list I guess this would thread would stick in your neck. Oh well we can't all drive around in past it Toyota's.

Are you being serious?????

Unfortunately I think he is!

[Negative Creep]

Welshbeef said:

Nolar Dog said:

Welshbeef said:

I fully agree about the age 10 years is nothing, perfectly fine cars at that age and even 15yo.

Excuse me!

My little XR2 is 25 this year and in fabulous condition.
Just about to become my new daily driver for Spring.

Have I mistyped in a previous post in this thread?
Its up to the owner thats the beauty of it - ITS NOT COMPULSORY.

ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY

Maybe that puts the record straight & is clear enough

Either way it will still lead to a lot of perfectly good cars being scrapped.Lets not forget most people think that having a poverty spec Fiesta or Corsa with a later registration plate is something desirable and will give them status

[Welshbeef]

raharley said:

So the used car market for cars <£600 will evaporate?

Thats the Greek model. What about the other models in the original link?


What it means is any car which is very old and needs work doing to it you need to really think shall I buy a say £800 car instead - result I get £600 from the scrapping of this one which is shot/needing big work andthen buy one for £800 net cost £200.

If someone cannot afford £200.. they shouldnt have a car.

[adycav]

Welshbeef I've stuck up for you in the past but, not for the first time, you appear to be talking b0ll0cks.

[Welshbeef]

adycav said:

Welshbeef I've stuck up for you in the past but, not for the first time, you appear to be talking b0ll0cks.

I dont think anybody has read the link - it has many differing options which are actually being used in the EU countried & the reason for my post is that its being looked at by OUR transport minister... which could mean implications to us.

Clearly noone here agrees with any issue used accross Europe - but noone has given an alternative.

Look at what happened when the price of Steel/metal went up you had scrap dealers at the auctions buying up cars up to c£300 and clearly they couldnt care less about condition it was purely weight. That was an issue which was raised in Autocar not that long ago basically saying that you just couldnt buy tank of fuel cost cars anymore. Times have changed somewhat over the last few months - but the long term issue remains, once were out of the depression (opps sorry recession) then were going to see the demand for metal increase again and be in the same scenario of scrap dealers buying up all the cheap bangers.

[Marquis_Rex]

I was going to do a seperate thread on this:

"German car buyers already enjoy a £2100 contribution when they trade-in an older car, while Spanish buyers are entitled to a £10,000 interest-free loan. The German dealers' organisation, ZdK, claims that this helps 200,000 more people into new cars."

My German friend phoned up from Germany absolutely irrate regarding the above.
After going over it, I cant say I blame him. Bascially it means that peoples taxes are being used ostessibly in the name of safety and the environment, where as really it's just wasting tax money. It's little suprise that decent earners in Germany waste 50% on income tax It's funny how everyone is ready to criticise the US administration for their direct cash bail /stimulation to the auto industry- where as what Germany is doing is little different.

[Negative Creep]

Tried to add my comments but the website seems to be playing up. Still maybe they're right. I should get rid of my 36 and 21 year old cars as they are quite clearly bangers and get a 1.2 Corsa on a PCP deal I can't afford. Now that will save the planet

[mat205125]

Welshbeef said:

Mr POD said:

Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?

I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.

Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.

I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.

Could you imagine if it was Compulsory:

DVLA: Ello Boyo! Is that Mr Nick Mason? This is the DVLA
Floyd Drummer: Yes, how can I help
DVLA: We've noticed that you own some cars that are above 10 years old. We will be posting out your cheques for £2500 for each car this afternoon, and collecting your old bangers tomorrow morning for crushing.
Floyd Drummer: What? You can go fk yourself! One of those happens to be a Ferrari 250GTO, one of the most expensive cars ever made.
DVLA: Sorry, it's the rules, and we are the DVLA - We are completely devoid of common sense, accountability and common decency. See you tomorrow .... click, brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Mr POD]

Welshbeef said:

If someone cannot afford £200.. they shouldnt have a car.

Well considering I've bought perfectly good cars for £6.64 and £40 which the owners were considering scrapping for reasons known only to their need for status, I'd be forced to disagree.

[Welshbeef]

Marquis_Rex said:

I was going to do a seperate thread on this:

"German car buyers already enjoy a £2100 contribution when they trade-in an older car, while Spanish buyers are entitled to a £10,000 interest-free loan. The German dealers' organisation, ZdK, claims that this helps 200,000 more people into new cars."

My German friend phoned up from Germany absolutely irrate regarding the above.
After going over it, I cant say I blame him. Bascially it means that peoples taxes are being used ostessibly in the name of safety and the environment, where as really it's just wasting tax money. It's little suprise that decent earners in Germany waste 50% on income tax It's funny how everyone is ready to criticise the US administration for their direct cash bail /stimulation to the auto industry- where as what Germany is doing is little different.

So basically anyone who doesnt trade in their (non classic or P&J) are losing out on this tax cut.

Hmm seems silly to burden so many people with debt at a time like this.

[Marquis_Rex]

Welshbeef said:

cheesesliceking said:

Welshbeef said:

Mr POD said:

Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?

I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.

Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.

I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.

I skim read most of your posts as you're a post whoring troll who loves the attention and skim reading as as much as you deserve.

Looking at your car history list I guess this would thread would stick in your neck. Oh well we can't all drive around in past it Toyota's.

WHat a cock of a thing to say.
I own cars that vary from classic exotica to work horses, but I still think it's nice/fun that you can pick up bargain Rover 623is for knock down prices in the UK, or the fact I bought a totally road worthy Mercedes 280 TE (when I lived in the UK) complete with MOT for £50. I have no real desire to buy one of these right now, but I defend the right of people to do so.

Don't try to play richboy/snob. They're always people MUCH richer than you. What is your beef with old cars? Over and over- you harp on about lives being saved (on other threads) or unroadworthy cars, but they're excuses and seperate issues. Your issue is with older cars.

[900T-R]

Welshbeef said:

Have I mistyped in a previous post in this thread?
Its up to the owner thats the beauty of it - ITS NOT COMPULSORY.

ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY

Maybe that puts the record straight & is clear enough

It does give a signal to car owners though - 'if your car is older than (insert arbitrary age limit) you are polluting our environment and you really should get rid, you peasant'.

Given stagnating household incomes in Europe and governments' tendency to be like Microsoft Windows (taking over ever more of your resources in order to 'operate' stuff no one ever felt needed to be operated) I'm left to wonder how realistic it is to scrap cars at a mere 10 years old, economically.