Got any ammo.....please...

[Doniger]

Honda fanboy through and through here, but truth be told if someone was offering to buy a car for me, and they had a preference as to what it was going to be, I'd just take it and not argue. Especially if it's new or nearly new - you can flog it on come the end of the warranty period and get yourself something you really DO want.

[FraserLFA]

sleep envy said:

OP - does he have another daughter?

What the bloody hell are you planning!? We don't support pagan rituals here...

Hornblower said:

Oh and my inlaws have a son spare but no daughters i'm afraid.

Stop selling Children.

And more importantly, don't encourage him^^^^

[marcosgt]

Papa Hotel said:

Hornblower said:

ah dammit c-max is winning!
Thanks though guys

I'm open to other suggestions, not that i'm against the idea of a c-max, a little boring though?

Criteria is something big enough to fit my wife and I, 2 children in kiddy seats, big boot, and room for at least 1 passenger. And something not sluggish, so I can enjoy it. (or will i have to sacrifice fun?)

You, my non-car-nerd friend, are describing an Alfa 156 GTA Sportwagon...

Or, if you'd rather not get a heavily used money pit, a Skoda Octavia vRS (even an ordinary hatch one!).

Would be a lot more fun than either of the cars originally proposed.

M.

[r11co]

C-Max is by far and away the better car dynamically. If the badge is the only thing causing you offence then you are a fool.

The FRV is fugly to boot.



Easily the worst rendering of the rear-quarters of this type of vehicle since the Hyundai Matrix.

Hornblower said:

Our reasons for choosing Honda are obvious for those of us blessed with blind prejudice....

The days of panning Fords simply because they are Fords are long past (except maybe for those still living in the past).

Edited by r11co on Friday 7th January 23:19

[richcorsavxr]

r11co said:

The days of panning Fords simply because they are Fords are long past (except maybe for those still living in the past).

Edited by r11co on Friday 7th January 23:19

could that be said for most modern french cars aswell

(i think so)

[slipstream 1985]

c max for me too, much nicer looking car

[Hornblower]

Oh r11co if I were a fool would i have posted this initially? No its not the badge thats puts me off, after all I do own a new transit, its more that I was under the impression that honda had a more reliable name than ford, stuck a little in the past I guess.
As regards looks I do prefer frv over c-max, its a marmite car, I know.

SO supposing we are getting the c-max, budget £6,000. We cover 10k miles per year max, diesel or slightly newer petrol?

P.s thanks for the welcome

[mybrainhurts]

Hornblower said:

My father-in-law, very generously and kindly has offered to buy my wife and I a new car

My wife and me

...welcome to PH

[Some Gump]

OP,

Irrespective of what you would prefer, someone is being unbelievably generous.

Don't be ungreatful.

[mybrainhurts]

Ungrateful...

[Hornblower]

and I

[masermartin]

Welcome to PH, the home of pedants, comedians, trolls and lots of downright helpful people. It's a mixed bunch

It's a tough choice at around 10k miles a year. Diesel will always be cheaper in the long run, assuming you don't go and blow a turbo, have a DMF/Clutch failure or have injector problems (Ford TDCi are "above averagely" prone to this I understand - I know nothing of the reliability of Honda diesels) all of which are risks of modern diesel engines basically. You'll probably save a hundred or more a year on tax, and at a rough guess 500 quid on fuel at 10,000 miles and current prices.

From me though, it's another +1 for considering the Octavia VRS at that price: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/2357180.htm is the first I saw that looked like a good bet. The boot on this thing is gigantinormous (so big I came up with a new word for it) and they're not bad fun to drive. Will do 30mpg and take a family of 4 with 2 car seats no worries. Extra passenger might be the only problem though

[Flintstone]

750turbo said:

We are on our second FR-V, bought because of what it does, not how it does it.

What does that mean?

[terzo]

Papa Hotel said:

terzo said:

What Car reliability survey 2010
1st Honda
14th Ford
(out of 32)

Still quite a gap between the two reliability wise.

What is the gap? What's the difference between 1st and 14th on some unknown arbitrary scale?

Is it 2 Hondas out of ten thousand break down and 4 Fords?

As a matter of fact it's a very comprehensive survey:

What Car Reliability Survey said:

That’s why What Car? has teamed up with Warranty Direct, the UK’s largest independent warranty provider, to give you that knowledge. Every year Warranty Direct pays out millions of pounds in repair bills, so it knows exactly what goes wrong and how much it costs to put right. Our survey covers the past 12 months of breakdowns and includes cars registered up to 10 years ago.

HONDA
1st out of 32
Last year’s position 1st out of 30
Cars needing repair work 7%

"Honda’s stranglehold on our reliability supertest continues, with a fifth straight year as winner...."

FORD
14th out of 32
Last year’s position 9th out of 30
Cars needing repair work 25%

"Ford has lost ground to its main rivals, gradually slipping down our reliability table over the past few years, despite a smaller percentage of its cars requiring work...."

[RB26DETT]

If it were my choice I would take the Ford.

[Papa Hotel]

marcosgt said:

Papa Hotel said:

Hornblower said:

ah dammit c-max is winning!
Thanks though guys

I'm open to other suggestions, not that i'm against the idea of a c-max, a little boring though?

Criteria is something big enough to fit my wife and I, 2 children in kiddy seats, big boot, and room for at least 1 passenger. And something not sluggish, so I can enjoy it. (or will i have to sacrifice fun?)

You, my non-car-nerd friend, are describing an Alfa 156 GTA Sportwagon...

Or, if you'd rather not get a heavily used money pit, a Skoda Octavia vRS (even an ordinary hatch one!).

Would be a lot more fun than either of the cars originally proposed.

M.

Yep, that's what an enthusiasts' forum is for - need a car? Get a VAG product. A good one, admittedly, but a little too "worthy".

[Papa Hotel]

terzo said:

Papa Hotel said:

terzo said:

What Car reliability survey 2010
1st Honda
14th Ford
(out of 32)

Still quite a gap between the two reliability wise.

What is the gap? What's the difference between 1st and 14th on some unknown arbitrary scale?

Is it 2 Hondas out of ten thousand break down and 4 Fords?

As a matter of fact it's a very comprehensive survey:

What Car Reliability Survey said:

That’s why What Car? has teamed up with Warranty Direct, the UK’s largest independent warranty provider, to give you that knowledge. Every year Warranty Direct pays out millions of pounds in repair bills, so it knows exactly what goes wrong and how much it costs to put right. Our survey covers the past 12 months of breakdowns and includes cars registered up to 10 years ago.

HONDA
1st out of 32
Last year’s position 1st out of 30
Cars needing repair work 7%

"Honda’s stranglehold on our reliability supertest continues, with a fifth straight year as winner...."

FORD
14th out of 32
Last year’s position 9th out of 30
Cars needing repair work 25%

"Ford has lost ground to its main rivals, gradually slipping down our reliability table over the past few years, despite a smaller percentage of its cars requiring work...."

It might be a comprehensive study but the snippet you've posted offers little info. What was the average cost of repair of the 7% of Hondas that needed work? A 3 grand engine rebuild? And the 25% of Fords? What's that, they needed a bulb changed?

Statistics can prove anything, it's a fact that 97% of people will believe any old ste that's put up on the internet.

OP - the Ford will not left you down, don't be frightened by loaded stats and percentages. They didn't sell over a quarted of a million cars in the UK last year by being ste, did they? However, I stand by my other suggestion, Alfa 156 GTA Sportwagon.

[Carlique]

Toyota Rav 4 is brilliant if you don't mind a 4x4 style vehicle...

[BRISTOL86]

As of today I shall be on my third Ford and I don't have a bad word to say.

Have never spent a penny on repairs that weren't just wear and tear items.

Don't think you'll regret the C-Max.

[Steve H]

Ford are making some pretty decent cars nowadays, if you are looking at the mainstream manufacturers then I'd say they are amongst the best for reliability and nice cars to drive, well ahead of VAG, Vauxhall and most of the French stuff (all of it if you are just looking at reliability).

Having said that Honda are more reliable, no question.