RE: The Red Octagon Returns, Along With The 'K-Series

RE: The Red Octagon Returns, Along With The 'K-Series

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MDT

486 posts

174 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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I would like to think that there would be a fair chunk of torque available which is where most of these new turbo units do there work, along with ok-ish MPG. The old SAAB 9-5’s etc only had 150bhp from a 2.0L 16v unit in low pressure form but they went ok and no one condemned it as a poor unit?

kambites

67,746 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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The standard non-VVC, non-turbo K-series was 120bhp except in some very specialist applications. I think they've just taken Rover's old turbo K-series and tried (yet again) to fix the head gasket problems, though.

V8mate

45,899 posts

191 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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MDT said:
I would like to think that there would be a fair chunk of torque available which is where most of these new turbo units do there work, along with ok-ish MPG. The old SAAB 9-5’s etc only had 150bhp from a 2.0L 16v unit in low pressure form but they went ok and no one condemned it as a poor unit?
That was launched well over ten years ago though.

Turbo 1.4 engines is where the contemporary market's at.

fido

16,893 posts

257 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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Oddball RS said:
Its a straight copy isn't it? the 1.8t in the ZT was rated at 150Bhp. Judd get the K2000 to 270Bhp, but its a weeny bit more expensive.
Yep, one gets the feeling that they have replaced the gasket previously made from Kraft Dairylea to something made with a combination of metals .. then rev-limited the engine to stem any reliability issues .. at least until the car has done 100k miles after which it will be consigned to a scrapheap. Sorry, i don't care what it looks like there is absolutely no reason i would buy something with an engine that's based on a 1.1. Metro - there are so many better cars out there, and almost as cheap.

cookie1600

2,156 posts

163 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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bob1179 said:
If it means more jobs in the UK, I say good luck to them.
Yep, I suspect all 22 production staff at Longbridge will heave a huge sigh of relief as the first boxes of CKD cars turn up at their Birmingham shed and they can stick the badges on them......

kambites

67,746 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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I suspect that they feel they need to continue selling MGs in the UK in order to put any credibility behind the idea that they're Chinese customers are buying a British car.

Andrew[MG]

3,324 posts

200 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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I bet there's a queue of pensioners, who have been force to buy Ford and Vauxhall, and are desperate to get back into a new Rover.

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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V8mate said:
Alexywhite said:
'MG Motor UK'........ Shouldnt it be MG motors UK?
Say it with a Chinese accent.
The M.D, earlier:


matchmaker

8,530 posts

202 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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kambites said:
ewenm said:
That power figure (147bhp) is pathetic for a turbo'd 1.8 - I've got a NA Rover 1.8 VVC K-Series in the Caterham that produces 160bhp out of the box and can easily be tuned to 190+ so how have they produced a 1.8 Turbo with less power than that? confused
It'll be tuned for economy not power, I suppose. Or they're aiming to have gazillion mile service intervals.
The 1.8T in my 2004 Octavia puts out 231 bhp and can still give high 30's mpg figures on a long run. And when not set to long life servicing has 10000 mile service intervals. Progress?

SirRalph

44 posts

185 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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It's not 1st April yet is it?!

kambites

67,746 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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matchmaker said:
The 1.8T in my 2004 Octavia puts out 231 bhp and can still give high 30's mpg figures on a long run. And when not set to long life servicing has 10000 mile service intervals. Progress?
How are we meant to know whether it's progress when we don't know the MG's mpg or service intervals? What a daft question.

Anyway, I suspect the fundamental design of this engine is older than that in your Skoda and it will also have to meet other emissions requirements that your Skoda probably can't.


I am by no means an MG and/or Rover fan, most of their recent cars were complete rubbish, but people seem to just critise them for no reason.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 17th February 11:12

MX7

7,902 posts

176 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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It reminds me of a De Tomaso.

Please, just let it die in peace.

DannyVTS

7,543 posts

170 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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You can get a 160bhp 1.8t K series in the 10+ year old Rover 75 and MG ZT!!!! frown

Glad to see them back though

MDT

486 posts

174 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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matchmaker said:
The 1.8T in my 2004 Octavia puts out 231 bhp and can still give high 30's mpg figures on a long run. And when not set to long life servicing has 10000 mile service intervals. Progress?

And to ensure a fair and balanced view on this the same engine in other VAG cars pumped out what? 150bhp.

I don’t think the MG talked of is aimed at the same sort of customer who wants a hot hatch? wink

kambites

67,746 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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MDT said:
I don’t think the MG talked of is aimed at the same sort of customer who wants a hot hatch? wink
Although interestingly the preliminary road tests said that even if they changed nothing from the pre-production prototypes, the 6 would be one of the best handling cars in its class.

corcoran

547 posts

276 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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What is that MG6 thing?! I just spat my flippin' tea over my screen GOD HELP US ALL.

MGZRod

8,090 posts

178 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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Tie nice to see the badge back.

And yes, my 1.4k got hgf a couple days ago!

mgv8

1,638 posts

273 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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I like the way every one is putting it down before its even started. What is it with the MG brand that makes people what to kick it in the nuts?

It may or may not be a good car but lets wait and see!


HellDiver

5,708 posts

184 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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mgv8 said:
I like the way every one is putting it down before its even started. What is it with the MG brand that makes people what to kick it in the nuts?
Er...because it's a chinese knockoff of a 10 year old knockoff of a 20 year old Honda, with an engine that should have been put to rest 15 years ago?

kambites

67,746 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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HellDiver said:
Er...because it's a chinese knockoff of a 10 year old knockoff of a 20 year old Honda, with an engine that should have been put to rest 15 years ago?
confused What on earth are you talking about? This car has nothing to do with anything Honda have ever produced, does it?