RE: TVR: Back in business (there's even a website)
Discussion
300bhp/ton said:
The thing is, how do you actually make something like a Vette lighter? It's not really that big, and a lot of its lengths is the empty nose that gives the pointy shape.
Ok you could probably loose a bit of the interior, but it's just a dash, 2 seats and some carpet. Not sure even with racing seats. You'd be able to save a huge amount.
The Corvette is fine as it is. It's just not - and won't ever be - a TVR replacement (or vice versa for that matter). Ok you could probably loose a bit of the interior, but it's just a dash, 2 seats and some carpet. Not sure even with racing seats. You'd be able to save a huge amount.
what I would like to see is TVR with galvanized chassis...
I'm not so a fan of mild steel powder-coated, ok when done good it could be ok perhaps, but still would prefer galvanising a (proper way) TVR chassis.
Wiesmann also do this with their older roadster MF3 types (the newer MF4 and MF5 types have alu mono style chassis) that makes it better protected against corrosion.
for the rest I don't care so much who is the owner of TVR, I care about the car and the feeling it could give you when driving it or the adrenaline it can give you, that sort of things.
you don't drive with the owner of TVR next to you or you don't have to sleep with him or whatever.
Its the car that matters most, the rest can be a plus but is not that important because you don't have to live with them but with the car you choose which fit you.
I'm not so a fan of mild steel powder-coated, ok when done good it could be ok perhaps, but still would prefer galvanising a (proper way) TVR chassis.
Wiesmann also do this with their older roadster MF3 types (the newer MF4 and MF5 types have alu mono style chassis) that makes it better protected against corrosion.
for the rest I don't care so much who is the owner of TVR, I care about the car and the feeling it could give you when driving it or the adrenaline it can give you, that sort of things.
you don't drive with the owner of TVR next to you or you don't have to sleep with him or whatever.
Its the car that matters most, the rest can be a plus but is not that important because you don't have to live with them but with the car you choose which fit you.
redgriff500 said:
loveice said:
redgriff500 said:
loveice said:
As said C6 has all the 2011(2012) safety features and meets all the legislation in all the countries.
You really call 911 and Evora 2+2? If you really want to use those so called 2+2 to make a point, then shall we also compare the boots space? Sure C6 doesn't have two tiny useless seats behind. But it's extra boot's space is probably bigger than those seats.
Comparing Griff to C6 is a bit like compare a Westfield V8 to Griff...
But they are +2 without the seats you could cut out 2+ feet.You really call 911 and Evora 2+2? If you really want to use those so called 2+2 to make a point, then shall we also compare the boots space? Sure C6 doesn't have two tiny useless seats behind. But it's extra boot's space is probably bigger than those seats.
Comparing Griff to C6 is a bit like compare a Westfield V8 to Griff...
And I don't want a huge boot - a couple of sportsbags is all I ever need.
My point is I WANT a small V8 sportscar and I'm sure I'm not alone.
A current MX5 (albeit ugly) meets the safety regs and has the room to fit an LS - as people do.
I have seen the 911 with the LS V8 in the PH classifieds - and was very tempted.
Edited by redgriff500 on Tuesday 15th November 08:00
That gained about 50kg with LS6 and TKO600 (and other gubbins), but power went from 260-270bhp to and honest 400 and way more torque than anything Blackpool rolled out the door. [url]Bit of Info if you fancy doing it|http://www.freewebs.com/faster-tvr/
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TVR is DEAD - Really it is for the best, these threads are pointless.
It's way more fun playing with cars that are not constantly having new models replace what is already out there - you car become way more interesting as time goes on. Parts will be relatively easy to get (the 45 year old one still are
).MDahmen said:
I guess that the office address of the business is in Vienna, because he lives there with his family. Doesnt necessarily mean that any work will be done there.
That's right the address is his house, paste it into Google Earth if you want to take a look, humble little place as you would expect... must have a big garage, lol.What's a TVR TUCAN??? (Special two-tone Edition white over black with yellow bonnet?)
Amateur indeed.
GTRene said:
for the rest I don't care so much who is the owner of TVR, I care about the car and the feeling it could give you when driving it or the adrenaline it can give you, that sort of things.
you don't drive with the owner of TVR next to you or you don't have to sleep with him or whatever.
Its the car that matters most, the rest can be a plus but is not that important because you don't have to live with them but with the car you choose which fit you.
I understand what you say, but for me the key is that my TVR was built at Blackpool by a number of very talented people - people who were, of course, shafted subsequently by Moleskins. It's a bonus to me that she was designed and built under PW's watch and so I'm glad he had my money rather than Moleskins.you don't drive with the owner of TVR next to you or you don't have to sleep with him or whatever.
Its the car that matters most, the rest can be a plus but is not that important because you don't have to live with them but with the car you choose which fit you.
I therefore care that i) any new TVR is built in Blackpool, and ii) the owner of TVR needs to be a true petrolhead and obsessed with the TVR brand.
That clearly isn't going to happen.
I will therefore keep my P&J until and unless I'm forced to sell her, as she represents what TVR is all about.
900T-R said:
Don't get me wrong - I think Vettes are great. And very capable they are too. But they're not 'Cobra' type cars. They don't offer that intensity and directness of having a stonking big engine in a small, lightweight car that wraps around you and that can be punted around with little or no assistance on the controls. The 'Vettes natural competition is Astons and XK Jags, not TVR.
I disagree.The Corvette has nothing of the refinement of an XK or an Aston (or the price tag). When I drive a 'Vette the thing I am reminded of most is a modern TVR. The cars are pretty raw and blisteringly fast, relatively light and produce monster bang for the buck. You can be in a 2012 'Vette for under $50k, an XK Coupe starts at $80k.
unrepentant said:
The Corvette has nothing of the refinement of an XK or an Aston (or the price tag). When I drive a 'Vette the thing I am reminded of most is a modern TVR. The cars are pretty raw and blisteringly fast, relatively light and produce monster bang for the buck.
^^^^^ Good. Somebody who understands the subject.unrepentant said:
I disagree.
The Corvette has nothing of the refinement of an XK or an Aston (or the price tag). When I drive a 'Vette the thing I am reminded of most is a modern TVR.
It's got nothing of the directness and intimacy of a TVR, either. 'Raw' is relative - I found 'my' C6 pretty normal and civilised especially compared to TVRs. So - somewhere in between the two, then? The Corvette has nothing of the refinement of an XK or an Aston (or the price tag). When I drive a 'Vette the thing I am reminded of most is a modern TVR.
If I'm bluntly honest, from memory it felt and sounded pretty demure compared to the thunderous Aston V12V and N420 Roadster I drove...
Edited by 900T-R on Tuesday 15th November 14:24
julianc said:
I understand what you say, but for me the key is that my TVR was built at Blackpool by a number of very talented people
Although, having said that, I'd have preferred it if they hadn't have been in the habit of drawing genitalia and other graffiti in marker pen on the bare GRP before it was trimmed. 300bhp/ton said:
Even if you took something like an MX-5, which currently weigh in at around 1150kg. Now add a V8 engine, a stronger gearbox, a bigger rear axle, you'll want some fatter tyres too, bigger brakes and due to the extra torque some additional chassis bracing. All in you can easily see 200-300kg worth of bits being added to it. And suddenly you're upto Corvette weight.
You might be surprised how little weight is addedhttp://flyinmiata.com/V8/
"Overall, the car gains less than 200 lbs with 1/3 of that on the rear wheels"
Build threads:
http://flyinmiata.com/projects/build_diaries.php
Edited by redgriff500 on Tuesday 15th November 14:34
900T-R said:
unrepentant said:
I disagree.
The Corvette has nothing of the refinement of an XK or an Aston (or the price tag). When I drive a 'Vette the thing I am reminded of most is a modern TVR.
It's got nothing of the directness and intimacy of a TVR, either. 'Raw' is relative - I found 'my' C6 pretty normal and civilised especially compared to TVRs. So - somewhere in between the two, then? The Corvette has nothing of the refinement of an XK or an Aston (or the price tag). When I drive a 'Vette the thing I am reminded of most is a modern TVR.
We have to agree to disagree then - I find the Corvette lacking the intimacy and immediacy of a TVR by its architecture, controls weighting and responses. That's no disqualification as it's a function of its intended purpose and market - but isis some way removed from the 'small, light, responsive (or twitchy) car with stonking big engine' ethos that is TVR. It just feels BIG in comparison.
Compared to what else is left on the market, though, I fear you may be right that it's sort of the closest thing we have...
Compared to what else is left on the market, though, I fear you may be right that it's sort of the closest thing we have...
900T-R said:
unrepentant said:
I disagree.
The Corvette has nothing of the refinement of an XK or an Aston (or the price tag). When I drive a 'Vette the thing I am reminded of most is a modern TVR.
It's got nothing of the directness and intimacy of a TVR, either. 'Raw' is relative - I found 'my' C6 pretty normal and civilised especially compared to TVRs. So - somewhere in between the two, then? The Corvette has nothing of the refinement of an XK or an Aston (or the price tag). When I drive a 'Vette the thing I am reminded of most is a modern TVR.
If I'm bluntly honest, from memory it felt and sounded pretty demure compared to the thunderous Aston V12V and N420 Roadster I drove...
Edited by 900T-R on Tuesday 15th November 14:24
A TVR due to not needing to meet certain legalities was almost a modded car from the factory.
A stock Vette is just that, a stock Vette. Something that will work every day in +40 degree heat and - minus 25 degree cold. At sea level or 10,000 feet up. With no complaints and no bother year on year on year.
But, add an after market exhaust, a hotter cam and a tune and it'll transform how it sounds and how it drives. GM Performance and your local Chevy dealer (State side) will even sell, fit and warranty such parts if you don't want to delve into the 3rd party aftermarket parts.
redgriff500 said:
300bhp/ton said:
Even if you took something like an MX-5, which currently weigh in at around 1150kg. Now add a V8 engine, a stronger gearbox, a bigger rear axle, you'll want some fatter tyres too, bigger brakes and due to the extra torque some additional chassis bracing. All in you can easily see 200-300kg worth of bits being added to it. And suddenly you're upto Corvette weight.
You might be surprised how little weight is addedhttp://flyinmiata.com/V8/
"Overall, the car gains less than 200 lbs with 1/3 of that on the rear wheels"
Build threads:
http://flyinmiata.com/projects/build_diaries.php
Edited by redgriff500 on Tuesday 15th November 14:34
Cheers for the links though
300bhp/ton said:
The thing is, and its been said, lots and lots. Is American cars are designed to be modded. European ones aren't.
A TVR due to not needing to meet certain legalities was almost a modded car from the factory.
A stock Vette is just that, a stock Vette. Something that will work every day in +40 degree heat and - minus 25 degree cold. At sea level or 10,000 feet up. With no complaints and no bother year on year on year.
But, add an after market exhaust, a hotter cam and a tune and it'll transform how it sounds and how it drives. GM Performance and your local Chevy dealer (State side) will even sell, fit and warranty such parts if you don't want to delve into the 3rd party aftermarket parts.
None of this will overcome the basic differences in architecture (size, weight, cabin designed for 20 stone Americans) - you'd end up with a slightly louder, faster and less well-behaved Corvette...A TVR due to not needing to meet certain legalities was almost a modded car from the factory.
A stock Vette is just that, a stock Vette. Something that will work every day in +40 degree heat and - minus 25 degree cold. At sea level or 10,000 feet up. With no complaints and no bother year on year on year.
But, add an after market exhaust, a hotter cam and a tune and it'll transform how it sounds and how it drives. GM Performance and your local Chevy dealer (State side) will even sell, fit and warranty such parts if you don't want to delve into the 3rd party aftermarket parts.
300bhp/ton said:
The thing is, and its been said, lots and lots. Is American cars are designed to be modded. European ones aren't.
A TVR due to not needing to meet certain legalities was almost a modded car from the factory.
A stock Vette is just that, a stock Vette. Something that will work every day in +40 degree heat and - minus 25 degree cold. At sea level or 10,000 feet up. With no complaints and no bother year on year on year.
But, add an after market exhaust, a hotter cam and a tune and it'll transform how it sounds and how it drives. GM Performance and your local Chevy dealer (State side) will even sell, fit and warranty such parts if you don't want to delve into the 3rd party aftermarket parts.
In the modern world where secondary sales are so vital to revenue streams of manufacturers, it was another failure of TVR to not control the mod/upgrade market for their products. The revenue stream from offering a tranche of company sanctioned upgrade packages would have rivalled the primary sales income quite quickly.A TVR due to not needing to meet certain legalities was almost a modded car from the factory.
A stock Vette is just that, a stock Vette. Something that will work every day in +40 degree heat and - minus 25 degree cold. At sea level or 10,000 feet up. With no complaints and no bother year on year on year.
But, add an after market exhaust, a hotter cam and a tune and it'll transform how it sounds and how it drives. GM Performance and your local Chevy dealer (State side) will even sell, fit and warranty such parts if you don't want to delve into the 3rd party aftermarket parts.
Rather pathetically, the only owner who actually tried to introduce relevant and modern business practices to TVR was the dummy sucking schmuck who bought a dead parrot for £15m.
900T-R said:
None of this will overcome the basic differences in architecture (size, weight, cabin designed for 20 stone Americans) - you'd end up with a slightly louder, faster and less well-behaved Corvette...
Never said it would. But I think it would have a bearing on the "demure" comment you posted earlier about noise and feel. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff