RE: Mallory Park's future in doubt
Discussion
I lived there for a couple of years, just behind the track. It was a massive attraction as far as i was concerned. The noise only happens by day, I agree with the majority of comments- dont like it? Then dont buy there, or MOVE HOUSE and stop spoiling peoples fun (and in some cases livelyhood).
Everything motoring related has been so discriminated against over the last few years, it p*sses me off!
Everything motoring related has been so discriminated against over the last few years, it p*sses me off!
1974foggy said:
I lived there for a couple of years, just behind the track. It was a massive attraction as far as i was concerned. The noise only happens by day, I agree with the majority of comments- dont like it? Then dont buy there, or MOVE HOUSE and stop spoiling peoples fun (and in some cases livelyhood).
Everything motoring related has been so discriminated against over the last few years, it p*sses me off!
I appreciate your comments and yes people should do their due diligence before moving anywhere not just Kirkby Mallory, but I have lived here over 30 years and the track used to be for huge events VERY FEW TIMES A YEAR Wednesdays and Sundays they were great days - happy to live with that - now its all changed to more bike track days - now you tell me why I, and any other person in the village should up sticks and move after all these years just because Mallory Park want to have more noisy days so they can make more profit? One could also turn the table and say to those who like the loud chronic motorbike noise and fumes to go and live near Donnington then? Houses in the village are not selling because of the increase in noise. I have many wonderful friends and neighbours why should I - these sort of comments are juvenile and does not help the situation. I have had my grandson look into some of the motorbike forums and quite frankly I was horrified to see that over the last couple of years the bikes weren't even tested before going out on the track - and if you were on the odd occasion, you doctored your exhaust just to get through the occasional testing- well you should all hang your heads in shame because this is probably one of the reasons that the noise has increased so I hope you are all proud of yourselves. Everything motoring related has been so discriminated against over the last few years, it p*sses me off!
Edited by majortom on Wednesday 13th March 09:49
1974foggy said:
I lived there for a couple of years, just behind the track. It was a massive attraction as far as i was concerned. The noise only happens by day, I agree with the majority of comments- dont like it? Then dont buy there, or MOVE HOUSE and stop spoiling peoples fun (and in some cases livelyhood).
Everything motoring related has been so discriminated against over the last few years, it p*sses me off!
So you don't think that the business should abide by agreements it made itself? (or have you just not bothered to read both sides of the story?)Everything motoring related has been so discriminated against over the last few years, it p*sses me off!
majortom said:
I appreciate your comments and yes people should do their due diligence before moving anywhere not just Kirkby Mallory, but I have lived here over 30 years and the track used be used for huge events VERY FEW TIMES A YEAR Wednesdays and Sundays they were great days - happy to live with that - now its all changed to much more bike track days - now you tell me why I, and any other person in the village should up sticks and move after all these years just because Mallory Park want to have more noisy days so they can make more profit? One could also turn the table and say to those who like the loud chronic motorbike noise and fumes to go and live near Donnington then? Houses in the village are not selling because of the increase in noise. I have many wonderful friends and neighbours why should I - these sort of comments are juvenile and does not help the situation. I have had my grandson look into some of the motorbike forums and quite frankly I was horrified to see that over the last couple of years the bikes weren't even tested before going out on the track - and if you were on the odd occasion you stuck a buffer or what ever you call it in to be tested and then secretly took it out after - well you should all hang your heads in shame because this is probably one of the reasons that the noise has increased so I hope you are all proud of yourselves.
I've been reading your posts and enjoying them, but as a keen motorcyclist and (at one time) a trackday marshal (albeit not at Mallory), and trackday participant (including at Mallory) noise limits on trackdays are taken really quite seriously.When I was doing it, the bikes/cars were tested in scrutineering before being allowed on track and then if anything stood out as being noisy, a noise meter would be used on the pit wall to measure the drive-by rating.
As far as Mallory and your situation is concerned, it's an awkward one. The 1985 agreement obviously isn't quite as relevant now as it was in 1985 when penned, as the use of all tracks has changed with the trackday. These didn't really exist (well, not in the current form/frequency) so tracks have had to adapt. Also, the grid sizes of most club events have fallen as costs have gone up, obviously impacting the income rates achievable from weekend events. Now I'm in no way excusing what Mallory have been up to, because they seem to have ignored the issue rather than trying to work around it and it's come back to bite them on the behind.
I really hope that a resolution can be found that all parties are happy with, as I really love Mallory
chevronb37 said:
I've got to thank these residents for coming on here and presenting well-considered and articulate posts.
Some days I am genuinely embarrassed by some of the ludicrously ill-informed and juvenile posts on this website. It's cringe-worthy.
I'll continue to follow the story with interest and hope that a satisfactory resolution can be found.
Agreed. Its always good to hear both sides.Some days I am genuinely embarrassed by some of the ludicrously ill-informed and juvenile posts on this website. It's cringe-worthy.
I'll continue to follow the story with interest and hope that a satisfactory resolution can be found.
Herman Toothrot said:
Agreed. Its always good to hear both sides.
Thank you for your kind comments I don't usually do this sort of thing but I am fed up of reading all the negative comments about the residents and liaison representatives whom are being kicked and blamed for something that is not their fault. HBBC have also got a lot to answer for hence, as was mentioned in the last meeting and radio interview with Steve Atkinson, the LGO now being involved. We will have to wait and see the outcome of their report.Have to say I sympathise with the residents far more than I expected to, and it does rather seem like Mallory have pushed their luck a step too far, repeatedly. From reading majortom's posts it sounds as if they've brought it on themselves.
I do hope some sort of compromise can be reached though, it'd be an awful shame to see it restricted to the point public days totally die back to nothing.
I do hope some sort of compromise can be reached though, it'd be an awful shame to see it restricted to the point public days totally die back to nothing.
The Crack Fox said:
Stick to your guns. There'll always be over-opinionated oiks on here (and elsewhere) who would rather call you a NIMBY than bother to learnt that Mallory have ridden roughshod over residents. Good luck
Thank you so much its nice to read such positive support - much appreciated I will relay this to the liaison reps and residents I'm sure they will be heartened by this. I think many are scared to talk or speak out because of all the rumours of this large protest that was going to take place apparently 20 turned up!!! very intimidating - the more I look into this (I have to say with the help of my grandson!!) the more I realise how unjust all of this is. majortom said:
Thank you so much its nice to read such positive support - much appreciated I will relay this to the liaison reps and residents I'm sure they will be heartened by this. I think many are scared to talk or speak out because of all the rumours of this large protest that was going to take place apparently 20 turned up!!! very intimidating - the more I look into this (I have to say with the help of my grandson!!) the more I realise how unjust all of this is.
Most motorsport fans (i.e. those of us who attend club meetings week in, week out not just the odd BTCC weekend or the GP once a year) have no interest in such "protests". We just want to have a good day out and go home happy.We are not the ones slinging mud or effing & blinding on Forums, we have no time for the idiots who talk about driving through local villages en masse. We do get angry when people use "noise" as an excuse to try and close circuits out of sheer spite (Croft) or move to an area where a circuit has existed for years and then start whining. However, as it seems the management at Mallory may well be the Architects of their own downfall then personally i'm struggling to sympathise with them, if, as suggested they have decided to ignore an existing agreement.
MonkeyHanger said:
Most motorsport fans (i.e. those of us who attend club meetings week in, week out not just the odd BTCC weekend or the GP once a year) have no interest in such "protests". We just want to have a good day out and go home happy.
We are not the ones slinging mud or effing & blinding on Forums, we have no time for the idiots who talk about driving through local villages en masse. We do get angry when people use "noise" as an excuse to try and close circuits out of sheer spite (Croft) or move to an area where a circuit has existed for years and then start whining. However, as it seems the management at Mallory may well be the Architects of their own downfall then personally i'm struggling to sympathise with them, if, as suggested they have decided to ignore an existing agreement.
Dear Monkeyhanger - very reassuring to know, if they were all as responsible as yourself perhaps we would not have such a problem. Can you pass some of your wisdom and experience on to others - probably a classic case of some bad apples spoiling it for everyone else. We are not the ones slinging mud or effing & blinding on Forums, we have no time for the idiots who talk about driving through local villages en masse. We do get angry when people use "noise" as an excuse to try and close circuits out of sheer spite (Croft) or move to an area where a circuit has existed for years and then start whining. However, as it seems the management at Mallory may well be the Architects of their own downfall then personally i'm struggling to sympathise with them, if, as suggested they have decided to ignore an existing agreement.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Let's assume noise is the main factor for the moment.
Some key points of the proposal with regard to noise are:
The cessation of all motocross activity
Agreement to spend £100,000+ on the erection of minimum of 130m of acoustic fencing to reduce noise at various points on the circuit - subject to planning permission
Installation of noise monitoring systems to be put in place
Agreement to limit use of the Hairpin section of track on quiet days
No drifting at all at the circuit was agreed
Discussing decibel limits here is going to be speculation on the whole as we have no idea what an acceptable limit is to each of the residents affected by noise. Presumably, the council have taken measurements at various places and have some objective analysis to base their proposed limits on? If not, this is something which needs to be done by someone independent. Figures agreed many years ago will probably have no meaning now if there have been changes to the topology, trees, grandstands, buildings etc. in the meantime.
It may be the case that properly installed acoustic fencing would reduce the noise to a level where it wouldn't matter how many 'noisy' days there are, but I doubt anyone has done the work to analyse exactly what difference it will make.
Often, it's not the level of noise which is the problem, but the type of noise. 2-stroke engines and tyre-squeal (particularly the continuous tyre-squeal you hear from drifting) have a very different sound signature to, say, a low-frequency large capacity race engine and although the level of noise could be similar, a lot of people would object to a background noise of tyre- squeal when they may be OK with less annoying engine sounds.
So my feeling would be that rather than negotiating numbers of days and arbitrary decibel limits, it would be better at this stage for an independent study to be commissioned which can examine and report on the acoustics and other environmental issues so everyone can make objective decisions based on measurements rather than guesswork.
Apart from noise, the other main aspect is what visitors to the circuit bring with them. Are they viewed as causing annoyance, disruption and being detrimental or do they bring business, investment and net worth to the local area? Presumably, at the moment, it's a bit of both but it might be that by changing the profile of the activities at the circuit, the visitor profile will change too and you'll have visitors putting money into the local community without giving them anything to complain about.
HTH!
After reading your very interesting post, I made some more enquiries with people whom are a bit more knowledgeable than my self on the subject that have spoken up in meetings, apparently, and I will agree with them on this matter, the noise also has increased since these so called spectator bunds have been landscaped around the track, hundreds of thousands of tonnes of soil had been brought in during the winter of 2010 to create these.They now, it seems act as a deflector and seem to channel the noise back into the village. It was mentioned at a meeting that no planning applications had been made for these. I have checked back in the planning history and the only one I can see is a planning application for a bund near the motocross and Gerrards bend. Nothing for any of the others including the one on the hairpin in Stapleton Lane. So forgive me if I am cynical, but I have also checked on the parish council minutes and the parish council seem to know all about this because there were complaints about the lorries making a mess through the village. It so happens that a local councillor was chairman of the parish council at the same time !!! What also confuses me and please correct me if I am wrong, most planning applications have to come through the parish council, Yes? well if the parish council knew of all this work, why then did they not pick up on the fact that there had no planning application and reported it to HBBC? It raises questions that need answers to and if any of you out there can help or shed some light on the matter please do so. The importation of soil was from the local by pass apparently this then funded well in excess the resurfacing of the track the following year, so I believe. So HBBC have again turned a blind eye to all of this. I will let you make your own judgement, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to jump to the conclusion of the C word . But what we are now sure of that there were no acoustic evaluations carried out before any of these were constructed. Again Mallory Park are being let off with another breach of the law - illegal work carried out with out planning application - what would happen if us mere mortals built a house without planning ? please feel free to correct me on any of the above I'm merely binging up points that I think need answering and may help understand why the noise has increased so much in our village. Some key points of the proposal with regard to noise are:
The cessation of all motocross activity
Agreement to spend £100,000+ on the erection of minimum of 130m of acoustic fencing to reduce noise at various points on the circuit - subject to planning permission
Installation of noise monitoring systems to be put in place
Agreement to limit use of the Hairpin section of track on quiet days
No drifting at all at the circuit was agreed
Discussing decibel limits here is going to be speculation on the whole as we have no idea what an acceptable limit is to each of the residents affected by noise. Presumably, the council have taken measurements at various places and have some objective analysis to base their proposed limits on? If not, this is something which needs to be done by someone independent. Figures agreed many years ago will probably have no meaning now if there have been changes to the topology, trees, grandstands, buildings etc. in the meantime.
It may be the case that properly installed acoustic fencing would reduce the noise to a level where it wouldn't matter how many 'noisy' days there are, but I doubt anyone has done the work to analyse exactly what difference it will make.
Often, it's not the level of noise which is the problem, but the type of noise. 2-stroke engines and tyre-squeal (particularly the continuous tyre-squeal you hear from drifting) have a very different sound signature to, say, a low-frequency large capacity race engine and although the level of noise could be similar, a lot of people would object to a background noise of tyre- squeal when they may be OK with less annoying engine sounds.
So my feeling would be that rather than negotiating numbers of days and arbitrary decibel limits, it would be better at this stage for an independent study to be commissioned which can examine and report on the acoustics and other environmental issues so everyone can make objective decisions based on measurements rather than guesswork.
Apart from noise, the other main aspect is what visitors to the circuit bring with them. Are they viewed as causing annoyance, disruption and being detrimental or do they bring business, investment and net worth to the local area? Presumably, at the moment, it's a bit of both but it might be that by changing the profile of the activities at the circuit, the visitor profile will change too and you'll have visitors putting money into the local community without giving them anything to complain about.
HTH!
majortom said:
BARC are well aware of what's going from my understanding and from what has been said in recent resident's meetings - I attended the meeting after the awesomefest at the track in 2011 and Denis Carter the CEO of BARC was there, I understand now that he has retired and they have a new CEO. Because they cant have bike track days at Thruxton and limited to 1 per year at Croft, we seem to have all the rubbish here that they cant hold anywhere else. Kirkby Mallory village is closer to the track than the other two circuits BARC run. You can make of it what you want but I am only stating facts here, like I said before I was a supporter of Mallory Park but now I have seen what the actual story is I can no longer support a business that continually breaches a legal notice. What hasn't been made clear is that HBBC are as much to blame because they have not been monitoring the situation although complaints had been made in the past,they seemed to of turned a blind eye to it all knowing full well what was going on so they have to take a large portion of the blame. Make of this what you will after all if they had controlled and made sure the track complied with the notice we would not be in this situation.
You would have thought that with bikes firstly there is far less tyre squeal noise and that secondly, changing a rear can to be quiet takes just moments. Thus, I find it hard that any noise restrictions could hinder revenues.For starters, implementing a service that leases and fits 'quiet' cans and end fixings for cars at the track would increase revenues. As would leasing mic and amp boxes to pipe the subdued noise back into the helmet or cabin for those who felt it an absolute requirement.
The trouble with many businesses is that for the last decade easy debt has masked poor management and lack of real business sense. The purpose of a recession though is to rid society of these people who have reached too far up the corporate ladder and to clear out the saddled firms, freeing them to start again properly.
majortom said:
After reading your very interesting post, I made some more enquiries with people whom are a bit more knowledgeable than my self on the subject that have spoken up in meetings, apparently, and I will agree with them on this matter, the noise also has increased since these so called spectator bunds have been landscaped around the track, hundreds of thousands of tonnes of soil had been brought in during the winter of 2010 to create these.They now, it seems act as a deflector and seem to channel the noise back into the village. It was mentioned at a meeting that no planning applications had been made for these. I have checked back in the planning history and the only one I can see is a planning application for a bund near the motocross and Gerrards bend. Nothing for any of the others including the one on the hairpin in Stapleton Lane. So forgive me if I am cynical, but I have also checked on the parish council minutes and the parish council seem to know all about this because there were complaints about the lorries making a mess through the village. It so happens that a local councillor was chairman of the parish council at the same time !!! What also confuses me and please correct me if I am wrong, most planning applications have to come through the parish council, Yes? well if the parish council knew of all this work, why then did they not pick up on the fact that there had no planning application and reported it to HBBC? It raises questions that need answers to and if any of you out there can help or shed some light on the matter please do so. The importation of soil was from the local by pass apparently this then funded well in excess the resurfacing of the track the following year, so I believe. So HBBC have again turned a blind eye to all of this. I will let you make your own judgement, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to jump to the conclusion of the C word . But what we are now sure of that there were no acoustic evaluations carried out before any of these were constructed. Again Mallory Park are being let off with another breach of the law - illegal work carried out with out planning application - what would happen if us mere mortals built a house without planning ? please feel free to correct me on any of the above I'm merely binging up points that I think need answering and may help understand why the noise has increased so much in our village.
Some interesting points in there. I'm no planner, nor am I a landscaper, so feel free to treat my input with the derision it deserves, but...1) If the bunds are, indeed, reflecting sound in such a way that it's channeled back into the village; then presumably acoustic fencing/tree planting can be reasonably targeted at the "channels" the noise is taking. If I recall rightly, the race track is actually in a bit of a hollow, so it shouldn't be too difficult to put fencing/trees all along the ridge line - subject to who owns the land I guess. Fencing would provide an immediate relief, but is presumably subject to planning; tree planting I'm guessing wouldn't, but it would also be a few years before their full effect was felt.
2) What are the real noise problems? I've seen "Awesomefest 2011" mentioned a few times; also motorbikes; do car track days impact that much? I've never done a track day @ Mallory (raced there a few times, never had a problem with the noise test interestingly), so I don't know how stringently they monitor noise.
BTW, the only reason for putting "bunds" up, is they're cheaper than erecting spectator stands, on which rates would be charged annually (they already pay £200k annually in rates) - that's why Oulton Park took down all their stands, I presume other circuits have done likewise.
Majortom - I've raced at Mallory a number of times, I've been a member of BARC (by necessity) for over 15 years, I am ashamed and appalled at the way they've behaved regarding Mallory Park. Sad, because I'd always regarded BARC as one of the "good guys" in the motorsport industry. I would hate to see Mallory Park close, I hope you & the other residents of Kirkby Mallory can arrive at an amicable and reasonable solution; but, as things stand, despite loving the track & loving racing there, and having read all the arguments too & fro, I'd be supporting the residents on this matter.
DonkeyApple said:
You would have thought that with bikes firstly there is far less tyre squeal noise and that secondly, changing a rear can to be quiet takes just moments. Thus, I find it hard that any noise restrictions could hinder revenues.
For starters, implementing a service that leases and fits 'quiet' cans and end fixings for cars at the track would increase revenues. As would leasing mic and amp boxes to pipe the subdued noise back into the helmet or cabin for those who felt it an absolute requirement.
The trouble with many businesses is that for the last decade easy debt has masked poor management and lack of real business sense. The purpose of a recession though is to rid society of these people who have reached too far up the corporate ladder and to clear out the saddled firms, freeing them to start again properly.
There you go perhaps there is a gap in the market for this sort of service - well done, do you know if these sort of things exist?. I quite agree with your comments about lack of business sense. Mallory Park is a little gold mine if it were run properly, I think the management have sat back and encouraged all the easy money events, like track days and not bothering to go and find more suitable business. I know it's tough out there at the moment and there have been many circuits open at old airfields, perhaps this would be better suited for the sort of track days that need higher Db limits. I remember the club days at Mallory with the Aston Martins, Ferraris, TVR's and the like, where have they all gone? it was a pleasure to go there in those days to see cars that you would not normally see on the open road or certainly not around our area. There I go again remembering the good old days !!! back to today - hopefully someone reading this post might come up with that exact idea you suggested- or perhaps if anyone from BARC reads these posts - a new, considerate, trustworthy management team that have a bit more business sense.For starters, implementing a service that leases and fits 'quiet' cans and end fixings for cars at the track would increase revenues. As would leasing mic and amp boxes to pipe the subdued noise back into the helmet or cabin for those who felt it an absolute requirement.
The trouble with many businesses is that for the last decade easy debt has masked poor management and lack of real business sense. The purpose of a recession though is to rid society of these people who have reached too far up the corporate ladder and to clear out the saddled firms, freeing them to start again properly.
majortom said:
It so happens that a local councillor was chairman of the parish council at the same time !!!...
The importation of soil was from the local by pass apparently this then funded well in excess the resurfacing of the track the following year, so I believe...
But what we are now sure of that there were no acoustic evaluations carried out before any of these were constructed...
I'm merely binging up points that I think need answering and may help understand why the noise has increased so much in our village.
Good points they are too.The importation of soil was from the local by pass apparently this then funded well in excess the resurfacing of the track the following year, so I believe...
But what we are now sure of that there were no acoustic evaluations carried out before any of these were constructed...
I'm merely binging up points that I think need answering and may help understand why the noise has increased so much in our village.
These are questions which require factual answers from those people involved. And if you don't get answers from those immediately involved, there is the Freedom of Information Act and escalation procedures within local government which should help you get those answers. It can take a bit of time and letter writing, but that's the way it is these days.
It would be easy to make assumptions based on the information you've got here but at the very least it seems indisputable that those running Mallory have acted outside the law and the councils have been (at best) negligent.
AdeV said:
Some interesting points in there. I'm no planner, nor am I a landscaper, so feel free to treat my input with the derision it deserves, but...
1) If the bunds are, indeed, reflecting sound in such a way that it's channeled back into the village; then presumably acoustic fencing/tree planting can be reasonably targeted at the "channels" the noise is taking. If I recall rightly, the race track is actually in a bit of a hollow, so it shouldn't be too difficult to put fencing/trees all along the ridge line - subject to who owns the land I guess. Fencing would provide an immediate relief, but is presumably subject to planning; tree planting I'm guessing wouldn't, but it would also be a few years before their full effect was felt.
2) What are the real noise problems? I've seen "Awesomefest 2011" mentioned a few times; also motorbikes; do car track days impact that much? I've never done a track day @ Mallory (raced there a few times, never had a problem with the noise test interestingly), so I don't know how stringently they monitor noise.
BTW, the only reason for putting "bunds" up, is they're cheaper than erecting spectator stands, on which rates would be charged annually (they already pay £200k annually in rates) - that's why Oulton Park took down all their stands, I presume other circuits have done likewise.
Majortom - I've raced at Mallory a number of times, I've been a member of BARC (by necessity) for over 15 years, I am ashamed and appalled at the way they've behaved regarding Mallory Park. Sad, because I'd always regarded BARC as one of the "good guys" in the motorsport industry. I would hate to see Mallory Park close, I hope you & the other residents of Kirkby Mallory can arrive at an amicable and reasonable solution; but, as things stand, despite loving the track & loving racing there, and having read all the arguments too & fro, I'd be supporting the residents on this matter.
Hi AdeV, thank you for your comments yes I hope that something gets sorted too, I believe from what I have been told that the main noise comes from bike track days but it has all increased over the last couple of years,I will vouch for that, Mallory Park seem to say that the noise has reduced - I understand that HBBC have not taken any readings since BARC took over so they have nothing to compare with except what the residents say. They have now been taking readings around the village, not sure what these are but a bit too late in my opinion. I have it on good authority that a group of residents have paid for independent noise monitoring, this has been done in various locations in the village at residents properties. The problem is, it doesn't matter what the readings are at the paddock before they go out, but the noise nuisance is what they hear at their properties, which is of major concern. How Mallory Park intend to tackle this I have no idea. They have suggested the fencing you mentioned but in my opinion this should not be done until a proper evaluation of the noise and how it can be properly controlled is done. This, as mentioned in one of the previous posts needs planning permission - don't know why, but I don't trust MPML or HBBC to conduct it in a proper manner for reasons mentioned before - Someone mentioned that they should be made to flatten all the unauthorised ground work and start from scratch taking readings before they construct new ones WITH planning permission !!! not sure how that will work !!! Anyway we will wait and see what happens. appreciate all the comments might come in handy at the next meeting. 1) If the bunds are, indeed, reflecting sound in such a way that it's channeled back into the village; then presumably acoustic fencing/tree planting can be reasonably targeted at the "channels" the noise is taking. If I recall rightly, the race track is actually in a bit of a hollow, so it shouldn't be too difficult to put fencing/trees all along the ridge line - subject to who owns the land I guess. Fencing would provide an immediate relief, but is presumably subject to planning; tree planting I'm guessing wouldn't, but it would also be a few years before their full effect was felt.
2) What are the real noise problems? I've seen "Awesomefest 2011" mentioned a few times; also motorbikes; do car track days impact that much? I've never done a track day @ Mallory (raced there a few times, never had a problem with the noise test interestingly), so I don't know how stringently they monitor noise.
BTW, the only reason for putting "bunds" up, is they're cheaper than erecting spectator stands, on which rates would be charged annually (they already pay £200k annually in rates) - that's why Oulton Park took down all their stands, I presume other circuits have done likewise.
Majortom - I've raced at Mallory a number of times, I've been a member of BARC (by necessity) for over 15 years, I am ashamed and appalled at the way they've behaved regarding Mallory Park. Sad, because I'd always regarded BARC as one of the "good guys" in the motorsport industry. I would hate to see Mallory Park close, I hope you & the other residents of Kirkby Mallory can arrive at an amicable and reasonable solution; but, as things stand, despite loving the track & loving racing there, and having read all the arguments too & fro, I'd be supporting the residents on this matter.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Good points they are too.
These are questions which require factual answers from those people involved. And if you don't get answers from those immediately involved, there is the Freedom of Information Act and escalation procedures within local government which should help you get those answers. It can take a bit of time and letter writing, but that's the way it is these days.
It would be easy to make assumptions based on the information you've got here but at the very least it seems indisputable that those running Mallory have acted outside the law and the councils have been (at best) negligent.
Good evening Furtive Freddy I don't suppose you, or anyone out there knows if we can actually sue the council for incompetence or negligence for not actually monitoring over the last seven years (it appears)?These are questions which require factual answers from those people involved. And if you don't get answers from those immediately involved, there is the Freedom of Information Act and escalation procedures within local government which should help you get those answers. It can take a bit of time and letter writing, but that's the way it is these days.
It would be easy to make assumptions based on the information you've got here but at the very least it seems indisputable that those running Mallory have acted outside the law and the councils have been (at best) negligent.
I'm certainly not qualified to answer questions about whether you could sue the council, but I would have thought if you wanted to sue anyone, you'd have a better chance of going after Mallory or the BARC as they've been the ones in breach of the regulations. There are plenty of legal types around on PH who can probably advise you on your options.
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