RE: Porsche Cayman GT4 - official!
Discussion
Yay - placed my order with Porsche Exeter at 08:30 sharp.
Was told I would need to confirm my spec by March and car should be delivered June.
Was told their allocation was very limited so a insurance snuck in and place the £5k deposit over the phone!
Off to have a test drive in a GTS later and look at the colours in the flesh.
Was told I would need to confirm my spec by March and car should be delivered June.
Was told their allocation was very limited so a insurance snuck in and place the £5k deposit over the phone!
Off to have a test drive in a GTS later and look at the colours in the flesh.
I put the £5000 deposit yesterday at 9.a.m with my OPC. I have just called them and was told that they also received deposits during the course of yesterday from people who had logged letters of intent with them. Apparently even though I was the first to deposit, that still puts me 3rd or 4th on the list behind those who had provided letters of intent and also proceeded with deposits yesterday.
The dealer said that until they get their allocation they will not know whether I will get a car but he seemed to think that I should be ok.
Does anybody have any further information as to whether or not I am likely to get one o not????
The dealer said that until they get their allocation they will not know whether I will get a car but he seemed to think that I should be ok.
Does anybody have any further information as to whether or not I am likely to get one o not????
Inverted said:
There seems to be two camps. Some folk have been told limited numbers. (I was told as little as 100 in 2015 and same for 2016) and others think they will make as many as they can. Lets see.
Jethro asked that very question in the Evo video published yesterday and the answer was that it isn't a limited edition, but they simply don't have the capacity to build too many of them.RedTrident said:
Sampaio said:
CJP80 said:
RIP Cayman GTS thread...
It might even kill the "new" Evora even before that car is launched...A lot of good things about the gt4 but I'm just not as excited about it as some others I'm afraid. Still looking forward to the reviews. When are the press cars out?
RobM77 said:
Surely the two cars are in a different market? The Evora is a comfortable daily driver and the GT4 is a stripped out track focused car?
I would have thought the Porsche Cayman GT4 would be an extremely comfortable daily driver. The last 9 years of GT3's have all been comfortable, I can't see the Cayman being harsher than any of those.nbetts said:
RobM77 said:
Surely the two cars are in a different market? The Evora is a comfortable daily driver and the GT4 is a stripped out track focused car?
I would have thought the Porsche Cayman GT4 would be an extremely comfortable daily driver. The last 9 years of GT3's have all been comfortable, I can't see the Cayman being harsher than any of those.
Fair enough - I've only read magazine reviews and have never driven a GTn car. What you say doesn't surprise me at all, because for me the mainstream modern Porsches are far too remote and refined, so I've often suspected (but never been able to confirm) whether the GTn cars' increased rawness actually takes them into the realm of what would be, for me at least, ideal as a daily driver.The compromise with the latest GT3 is that the 7th gear is not an overdrive, so it's really straining at the leash on the motorway. The ride is not harsh in the slightest, but it does jiggle, which isn't so good for the bladder!
The GT4 has slightly softer spring rates than the GT3 so would be fine as a daily driver, but there would still be a constant reminder that you are in something ready for the track.
The GT4 has slightly softer spring rates than the GT3 so would be fine as a daily driver, but there would still be a constant reminder that you are in something ready for the track.
RobM77 said:
Surely the two cars are in a different market? The Evora is a comfortable daily driver and the GT4 is a stripped out track focused car?
I would assume they're very close:Mid-engined (and similar capacity), RWD coupe
Similar (ish) power
2 (usable) seats
Similar price (I'm guessing a bit)
The Pits said:
You lot give Porsche a very easy time. The general consensus among ph and in car magazines seems to be that Porsche make the ultimate driving machines bar none.
That is just not the case.
Brilliant all-rounders yes, that is their strength. They make daily useable sports cars and there are compromises involved in achieving that. Fine for most people, most of the time - clearly - but they are not the be-all and end-all for fast car fans, which is what we are currently led to believe. A Lotus Exige V6 is harder work for daily use but it offers so much more communication than a Cayman S it's not even funny. The breadth of ability of the Cayman is extraordinary but you can't expect a car that is so at home in London traffic to deliver like a more dedicated, track-focused car around Silverstone. Yet the story we're sold is that it's the best car everywhere. Reality does not square up to that in my experience.
Lotus are about to launch a 400bhp, chargecooled Evora with the finest power steering currently available for a similar price. No doubt there will be queues round the block for the Cayman, premiums flying about too but I would be amazed if even 5% of prospective GT4 owners will even try the Lotus. I have no doubt the GT4 will be an excellent car but its sad that UK buyers can't find a bit more enthusiasm for the sportscars made over here too.
Your dislike of all things Porsche is well known on here so I'm not sure why you keep bothering to chime in just to slag them off?That is just not the case.
Brilliant all-rounders yes, that is their strength. They make daily useable sports cars and there are compromises involved in achieving that. Fine for most people, most of the time - clearly - but they are not the be-all and end-all for fast car fans, which is what we are currently led to believe. A Lotus Exige V6 is harder work for daily use but it offers so much more communication than a Cayman S it's not even funny. The breadth of ability of the Cayman is extraordinary but you can't expect a car that is so at home in London traffic to deliver like a more dedicated, track-focused car around Silverstone. Yet the story we're sold is that it's the best car everywhere. Reality does not square up to that in my experience.
Lotus are about to launch a 400bhp, chargecooled Evora with the finest power steering currently available for a similar price. No doubt there will be queues round the block for the Cayman, premiums flying about too but I would be amazed if even 5% of prospective GT4 owners will even try the Lotus. I have no doubt the GT4 will be an excellent car but its sad that UK buyers can't find a bit more enthusiasm for the sportscars made over here too.
The Pits said:
Brilliant all-rounders yes
The Pits said:
I have no doubt the GT4 will be an excellent car
Your 2 quotes above sum up why people like them so much. They're not perfect of course but £ per £ there isn't that much to touch them.I agree that the Evora is a brilliant car but the build quality isn't in the same league and if you want proper performance you need the supercharged version which with options is in the same price bracket as the Cayman. Look at residuals ans image (which like it or not is a big part of any car sales at this level) and it's easy to see why the Porsche will be more popular.
I've run a Lotus S2 Exige and a Cayman S and as an all rounder it's no contest. Yes the Exige is much more fun on track or for a quick blat on a Sunday morning but for everything else the Cayman is far better.
I've done 2,500 mile Euro holidays in both cars and the longer slogs in the Exige were really tough going at times but a breeze in the Porsche. Comfy and fast on the autoroutes and chuckable and great fun on the twisties.
If you want one car that will do it all then they are hard to beat.
As said this car will be bought by people who will use them a fair bit for everyday driving and longer trips and the odd trackday.
And of course the GT4 will depreciate. It's not a La Ferrari or a P1. There will undoubtably be early cars for sale for a premium and some people will make a few quid and others will end up with burnt fingers but that happens on every new car release. Who cares?
I've directly compared the Cayman S and Evora S on two occasions and I have to agree with 'The Pits' - as I said above I find the standard Cayman S far too refined and remote for my liking. I've no doubt that the outright handling is superb, physics certainly works in its favour, and the engine is lovely, but for the public road I find the driving experience with respect to feedback and communcation more relevant and in that sense the Evora and V6 Exige S trump the Cayman very easily indeed. However, I've yet to try a GTn car, and as I say above, if they move the game on into what Porsche would call 'rawness' and 'track ready', it might be what I call 'nice to drive for every day use', and perhaps 'The Pits' too?
hondansx said:
The compromise with the latest GT3 is that the 7th gear is not an overdrive, so it's really straining at the leash on the motorway. The ride is not harsh in the slightest, but it does jiggle, which isn't so good for the bladder!
The GT4 has slightly softer spring rates than the GT3 so would be fine as a daily driver, but there would still be a constant reminder that you are in something ready for the track.
At least you've driven a GT3.... a lot of far less informed views expressed here.The GT4 has slightly softer spring rates than the GT3 so would be fine as a daily driver, but there would still be a constant reminder that you are in something ready for the track.
For me, Porsche has turned into a GT car, a great one at that. So i'd rather have a normal version for road use and have a proper track car (& trailer) for the money. A Caterham or Zenos will be way more fun on track. A normal C2S or Cayman/Boxster S will be a better compromise on a road trip.
I suspect (none of us know) that the GT4 will be great, it's just that it'll straddle two jobs and do neither brilliantly. That it can do both so well is phenomenal, true.
As for GT3s rising in value, remember we are in an asset bubble and that VW Campers can cost over 60 k too. History shows that not every "special" gets a premium. Though the GT4 will swap hands for profit in 2015 i suspect.
Robert Elise said:
hondansx said:
The compromise with the latest GT3 is that the 7th gear is not an overdrive, so it's really straining at the leash on the motorway. The ride is not harsh in the slightest, but it does jiggle, which isn't so good for the bladder!
The GT4 has slightly softer spring rates than the GT3 so would be fine as a daily driver, but there would still be a constant reminder that you are in something ready for the track.
At least you've driven a GT3.... a lot of far less informed views expressed here.The GT4 has slightly softer spring rates than the GT3 so would be fine as a daily driver, but there would still be a constant reminder that you are in something ready for the track.
For me, Porsche has turned into a GT car, a great one at that. So i'd rather have a normal version for road use and have a proper track car (& trailer) for the money. A Caterham or Zenos will be way more fun on track. A normal C2S or Cayman/Boxster S will be a better compromise on a road trip.
I suspect (none of us know) that the GT4 will be great, it's just that it'll straddle two jobs and do neither brilliantly. That it can do both so well is phenomenal, true.
As for GT3s rising in value, remember we are in an asset bubble and that VW Campers can cost over 60 k too. History shows that not every "special" gets a premium. Though the GT4 will swap hands for profit in 2015 i suspect.
Whether it's admirable trait or not, most people like status symbols - or at least a feeling of self worth - and there is of course the subjective viewpoint of liking how a car looks or even how it's sat nav functions.
I am fortunate enough to race so do not see the point of something like a Caterham for track days as they are too quick and are not that great for a jaunt down to Zolder or for leaving in a hotel car park.
Back to sat navs, people love Tom Toms, right? Well I think they're hateful things; they take 15 minutes to load, they look ugly and instantly transform a cabin into a minicab. There is clearly a market for cars like these that can do a bit of everything.
I am fortunate enough to race so do not see the point of something like a Caterham for track days as they are too quick and are not that great for a jaunt down to Zolder or for leaving in a hotel car park.
Back to sat navs, people love Tom Toms, right? Well I think they're hateful things; they take 15 minutes to load, they look ugly and instantly transform a cabin into a minicab. There is clearly a market for cars like these that can do a bit of everything.
I'm sure it will be a great, reliable, performance car and it does look smart, but Porsche are common as muck around London and the South East and I'd want something a bit different. People following Porsche around like Zombies, it's become the generic sports car of choice. 30-40 years ago there was a real diversity of sports cars, not so these days. Porsche really have cornered the market. The new Evora is coming out next month, that should be a bit more interesting.
Track days are about fun. Lots of people have fun at track days in road cars - you don't need a fully track focussed car to have fun at track days.
Something like this GT4 is perfect for people who like a focussed road car that can also handle a bunch of track days each year (at a cost).
A dedicated track car with trailer and tow car rather ruins the journey to/from track too (especially when the track is across the channel) so any choice is a compromise.
As ever, having choice is a great thing - everyone can choose where they want to sit on the track day spectrum of taking your standard car, trailering a dedicated car or doing arrive-and-drive (track car hire). This GT4 is a welcome addition!
Something like this GT4 is perfect for people who like a focussed road car that can also handle a bunch of track days each year (at a cost).
A dedicated track car with trailer and tow car rather ruins the journey to/from track too (especially when the track is across the channel) so any choice is a compromise.
As ever, having choice is a great thing - everyone can choose where they want to sit on the track day spectrum of taking your standard car, trailering a dedicated car or doing arrive-and-drive (track car hire). This GT4 is a welcome addition!
LotusEspritTurbo said:
People following Porsche around like Zombies, it's become the generic sports car of choice. 30-40 years ago there was a real diversity of sports cars, not so these days. Porsche really have cornered the market. The new Evora is coming out next month, that should be a bit more interesting.
More to do with the price point IMO.Ferrari and Lambo are in another category altogether these days so in the £80 - £120K range what are you left with? Not that much.
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