RE: Jaguar F-Type versus Porsche 911

[okie592]

I don't care how much it costs, I don't care if its rubbish to drive, I don't care if it runs on compost and diced lion. Just look at it. I hope they sell well so I can have a eyegasum everyone one goes past.

This is a car that can suit any sort of person. White for a footballer BRG or clarrot red for the elder gentlemen and his wife in tweet jacket

[nickfrog]

toppstuff said:

gibbon

LOL

[puss]

Devil2575 said:

Indeed.

My uncle had one years ago, the version the predated the 964, precisely because it had back seats so could accomodate his daughter as well.

I think internal space is the key factor, and it's why I believe JLR are deluding themselves if they think it competes with a 911. I went to the launch a few weeks ago and although the car appears bigger than a Boxster and even a 911, in terms of usable space it's less. The boot is tiny and there's no space behind the rear seats. Tiny rear seats are as much about providing an airy cabin with space to chuck your jacket or whatever as they are about occasional seating. Packaging is a crucial factor. Granted, the 0-60 is very good but they won't sell as well as expected purely on that given the price. The V8 is £80k before you add essential extras. The XKR is actually better value, especially given the £10-15k discounts you can easily get. I'll stick with my XKR Cab. I was in line to get the very first F-Type from my dealer but I've cancelled due to the price which I believe is at least £10k too high. I can guarantee there will be hefty discounts available on them before the year is up.

[MyCC]

I know the article is written comparing the F Type to the 911 but we cannot simply keep thinking that those in this market of car would only ever consider a 911 or this. The type of consumer who buys a 911 will most likely be very different to the typical profile of an F Type owner. For them style may well be more important than substance. Not saying the F Type lacks substance but they will most likely buy on looks alone. A lack of back seats won't even feature, neither will fuel consumption for these 'style-led' buyers and don't forget its the new kid on the bloke, for some this will be all that matters.

Regards,

My.CC.

[pti]

Wow. Banned from Autocar, pops up on here. Are you a disgruntled ex-employee benzpassion?

[pb1695]

I posted the below on the not driven - jaguar f type post last week - http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

Hopefully it can bring this brings this post back on track!

F Type V8 S Cabriolet - £79,950 before options -

The following rivals (all with lower performance, except XKR-S which has more power but a similar performance)

911 Carrera S Cab - £91500 before options
R8 Spyder V8 S Tronic- £103,000 before options
Aston V8 Vantage Roadster S + Sportshift - £105,000 before options
Jaguar XKRS - £97,500 before options.

The V8 then is probably pretty good value!

The V6 is more than a Boxster S but less than an SL 350, 911 Cab, Aston Roadster (420) Sportshift etc. so again, compared to key rivals it is priced accordingly for its performance and relative exclusivity.

I went to a preview last week and can honestly say that in the flesh (and pictures) this car is stunning. Yes there may be hints of other cars if you look hard enough but that can be said of most cars nowadays and anyway, Porsche have got away with building a facsimile for years, Audi's all look generic, Aston have not moved their design on for a decade (still beautiful though).

Depreciation - it may be good, it may not be - if you are going to spend £55 - £90K on this type of car then the possible loss of a few % more than some of it's rivals should not be a first consideration - surely the enjoyment of the car is top of the list!

Cant wait to drive one - I am sure, yet again, it will be a Jag that blows away most of the competition and be another Great British success!

[nickfrog]

pb1695 said:

The V6 is more than a Boxster S but less than an SL 350, 911 Cab, Aston Roadster (420) Sportshift etc. so again, compared to key rivals it is priced accordingly for its performance and relative exclusivity.

Why would the Boxster not be a key rival ? Cheaper, lighter, presumably better lat grip / traction / balance, more practical, more frugal.

Less exclusive you're quite right, but there may be a good reason for its popularity, see above.

I do also agree that the Jaguar looks dramatic, in a nice way.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 20th February 01:18

[f328nvl]

benzpassion said:

rumours are circulating today that UK will have its credit rating downgraded by S&P. Whether this happens later today, or on Thursday, after the publication of January's government borrowing figures, or next month after the Budget, doesn't matter, it's going to happen. A downgrade from triple-A rating, contrary to the shills saying it's already all priced in, will send sterling down further, push up prices further through imported inflation, and eventually see borrowing costs, like mortgages, rise for the first time in five years for the vast majority of UK's people.

Edited by benzpassion on Tuesday 19th February 14:41

Firstly a soveriegn credit rating is not 1:1 correlated with a currency value, go and look at US dollar rates and Euro rates over the past three years to verify this.

Secondly, you have no idea what the credit rating agencies are doing, so your confidence is at best misplaced.

Thirdly, if sterling reduces in value, the cost of UK products falls, not rises, Even if you imported every single nut and bolt and washer. Only if you pay your labour in a foreign currency and make products with a negative gross margin would your "analysis" be valid.

You are entitled to whatever you view you have, but I suspect no reason will or could alter your strongly held opinion. There is no point in arguing with those who get their views by revelation rather than thought.

[TA14]

f328nvl said:

You are entitled to whatever you view you have, but I suspect no reason will or could alter your strongly held opinion.

No, no, just say what you mean; don't hold back.

[DJRC]

DonkeyApple said:

DJRC said:

Why do you care if they lied?
.

Technically, they 'spun'.

The only lie would be the claim that they lied.

But didnt the poster who claimed that it was a lie that they were lieing then admit that he was spinning the truth about the lies?

[MonkeySpanker]

Tin foil helmets must be in short supply.

[NomduJour]

Stuart said:

How exactly is the behaviour trollish?

There's nothing which says that anyone has to post on every news story, and there are plenty of people who choose to only post on stories about a particular manufacturer.

Sorry, but calling someone a troll seems to increasingly be the last resort of people unable to construct a lucid argument in return...

I think he is probably mentally ill - exactly the same bizarre pro-German, anti-JLR diatribe across various forums. Presumably JLR sacked him, or an XF shagged his wife and he shacked up with an A6 TDi Black Edition, or he spent time in the back of Savile's Range Rover Carawagon as a child, who knows?

[anonymous-user]

Stuart said:

Sorry guys, but I don't think it's really fair to describe Benzpassion as a troll, or even that narrow minded. Sure some of his language is a little provocative at times, but it seems hard to me to argue with the logic of what he's saying. What's beyond doubt is that people *aren't* arguing with it, but just resorting to playing the troll card in the absence of a factual comeback.

I was arguing with him, he's now chosen to ignore my point and evidence that he so desired about the weight of the new Range Rover. I wouldn't call him a troll, I would say he is unable to formulate a civilised discussion without resorting to provocative language.

[Salgar]

Gosh, if he was my girlfriend I would've sought advice in the MENTAL thread about him. If he was my cat I would've put some impact font on a picture of him. And mostly, if he was a speedbump I would've tested the latest JLR driving over him.

[Glade]

Will it REALLY sound like the videos? All those pops and crackles are awesome!

Looks great, and doesn't appear underpowered, probably a nice thing to own and enjoy.

Looks like a viable ALTERNATIVE to a Porsche cab (doesn't PH usually hate the latest porsche anyway?) and it'll be great to see and hear sonething different on the road!

[benzpassion]

TVRWannabee said:

In my work for the shippers of most of the UK car brands, especially JLR, I can tell you that , despite some of the twaddle spouted here, they are experiencing a massive increase in cars being exported.

- total utter Bullsh!t.

Who says? The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, the industry's body; the horse's mouth so to speak:

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2013/02/steady-start-for-ca...

UK car exports declined 4% in January compared to January 2012.

'a massive increase in cars being exported' - a total fabrication and blatant propaganda.

UK commercial vehicle exports fell a massive 37% in January compared to Jan 2012.

And to cap it all, UK engine exports fell by 10% in Jan, year on year.

Taken together, cars, commercials and engines, that's pretty much a collapse in exports, as opposed to the bullsh!t of a massive increase.

geezer said:

Things are very buoyant at JLR at the moment - and British car manufacturing generally. I can see the F Type only adding to this - no matter who we might think the competition might be.

you silly sods really are mental. You actually believe the sh!t beamed into your houses 24/7, by the BBC et al, propagandising for a economic recovery in Britain, and a 'march of the makers' rebound in UK's manufacturing base.

Lesson: you can't argue with simpletons.

[anonymous-user]

Swimming lessons finished for the day already?

[Dr Z]

benzpassion said:

Lesson: you can't argue with simpletons.

Oh the irony of you taking the moral high ground! Tone it down a little dude. There is no points being given for blustering your way through an internet argument!

oh and trying to bypass swear filter is frowned up on here, btw.

Edited by Dr Z on Thursday 21st February 10:44

[ZesPak]

benzpassion said:

drivel

Somehow, I feel ashamed driving a Mercedes now

[NomduJour]

benzpassion said:

you silly sods really are mental

Could you explain your invective against JLR (and, it seems, the UK in general)? It's clearly personal.

Preferring the products of one company over another is a matter of opinion, but deliberately spreading yourself across the internet to solely rail against JLR seems more than a little strange.