The Truth about Koneigsegg?
Discussion
Tom73 said:
The sycophants quickly comes to the rescue following the BC rant and glorious ballin' ensues. At different points they delve into the definition of racism and some state they never even could image that the term "f**king monkey" could have negative annotations when attached to a black man. But the a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e gem must be...
"I AM a peasant and monkey. There always needs to be people at the bottom of the totem pole to support the top."
Oh.
Dear.
You can follow the freak show here.
http://www.luxury4play.com/supercars/121818-ocho-c...
So he says 'Even I don't sit on the hood of my own cars'"I AM a peasant and monkey. There always needs to be people at the bottom of the totem pole to support the top."
Oh.
Dear.
You can follow the freak show here.
http://www.luxury4play.com/supercars/121818-ocho-c...
But he's quite happy to 'plank' on them.
Irony much?
te over there?
(Well, probably lots of those butt-kissing people I guess).BC does realise that Koenigsegg aren't West Coast Customs right?
Also if the guys building the 200+ MPH Super car tell me it isn't ready I'd listen. The last thing you want is a wheel falling off at 200MPH.
That said both are to blame, it's just a shame that they weren't able to discretely manage the issues with each other and decided to air it all in public. This has done nothing good for either of them.
Also if the guys building the 200+ MPH Super car tell me it isn't ready I'd listen. The last thing you want is a wheel falling off at 200MPH.
That said both are to blame, it's just a shame that they weren't able to discretely manage the issues with each other and decided to air it all in public. This has done nothing good for either of them.
"It's unfortunate some are making this into a bit of a mockery, I guess the 4 really isn't what it used to be... "
Just finished reading it and that's pretty amusing quote from him. People are actually now starting to treat him like he treats others, rather than sucking up to him. I feel so sorry for him now.
Just finished reading it and that's pretty amusing quote from him. People are actually now starting to treat him like he treats others, rather than sucking up to him. I feel so sorry for him now.
Could be a complete coincidence but they've finally had some more road testing.
http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/05/27/road-test-koeni...
This is worth a read too.
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2896...
http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/05/27/road-test-koeni...
This is worth a read too.
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2896...
More importantly....
http://www.youtube.com/user/m5boarddotcom
Incoming in the next few days is a drag race between the bug and agera...
http://www.youtube.com/user/m5boarddotcom
Incoming in the next few days is a drag race between the bug and agera...
A reply to all this from Jens on Teamspeed.com.
We had hoped this situation and discussion was behind us. But when we are called liars we feel it is important to put the record straight.
What I wrote in my post on ***, that seemingly sparked this whole controversy, and which is why some people call us liars, was because I wrote "as far as we are aware , the client liked driving the Artico"
As you all know by now, the customers experience with the Artico was extremeley breif and it is the only experience he has ever had with a Koenigsegg. Christian was with him all the time explaining the car, what was ready and what was not ready. At the time customer told Christian that he liked driving the car, even tough it was not fully finnished. He said it felt unlike any car he had driven but as first impression he liked it.
Since then we have not in written or verbal form heard anything else from the customer, when it came to him liking the actual car or not, until my post.
Of course we knew he was furious of the delay, but that should not be mixed up with how he reacted to driving the car. Later when the customer went balistic on the forums after my post, it was very clear to us that either he changed his mind, not informing us, or he was not straight whith us when he orginally drove the car and said he liked it. None of the above makes us liars. I hope this is clear. If the client now says he never said he liked driving the car, then I guess it is his word against Christians.
When it comes to the paint issue. It was for sure not present when the car left the factory, whatever some people here believe. We spend 3-5000 Hours building a car, and a big problem like this would never ever even get to the PDI before noticed. The problem was not in the carbon, but in the basecoat as someone here pointed out. As soon as we saw it at Pebble Beach we arrange to fix it, which we did shortly after Pebble Beach. Apart from this limited area the paint quality looked fantastic, as I am sure can be seen on many pictures from the event. We take great pride in our industry leading paint finishes and would never, ever accept something like this leave the factory.
Yes we were late delivering the car according to the original very tight schedule, we appologize for this. Were we extremly late? No, definitely not considering the many changes and additions to the specificaiton made during the production of the car. As previously stated agreed to returned his payment more or less exactly a year after he decided to order the car. It is normal to wait much longer that this for similar cars.
Still the lateness made the customer unhappy. Did we build a substandard product? No. Not after the paint was again up to correct standard. From our perspective the car is is worth every penny and we stand firm by it.
When the customer did not want to wait -What did we do? We made the customer whole, by giving the customer what he asked for - his money back with a bonus.
I can tell you no other car company would have done that. The 918 is much more delayed than we were, so is Pagani, so was Bugatti once upon a time. None of them would give the money back with a bonus, because the customer does not want to wait any longer. But we did. Why did we give a bonus? Because the customer wrote if we did not give him this, he would be very unhappy and make sure we never sold a car in the US again. Apart from this we all know the customer controls or at least controlled some semi influential internet media channels, so we had to take this threath seriously. That is why. The customer asked us what we thought he should say if he was asked why he does not have the Artico. We told him that from our perspeective he can say that he got an offer that he could not refuse. We still believe this to be the case.....
I would say in retrospect the bonus money would have been spent better elsewhere, as the customer decided to go ballistic regardless, based on my comment that he liked driving the car. A comment I thought was true and utterly harmless. What sparked my reaction in the first place was a string on posts by the client on *** posted in a period of 2 weeks before our reaction, posts that no longer exists on the forum, so it might look like we were over reacting based on a simple comment, but that was not the case. I felt that we had to react since there was to much discussions going on that wasn't fair towards us.
Finally, as the car was never paid in full in time, we were not even officially late with the delivery....
I think the discussion has become what we call in Swedish/Norwegian "a storm in glass of water".
jens
______________
www.koenigsegg.com
We had hoped this situation and discussion was behind us. But when we are called liars we feel it is important to put the record straight.
What I wrote in my post on ***, that seemingly sparked this whole controversy, and which is why some people call us liars, was because I wrote "as far as we are aware , the client liked driving the Artico"
As you all know by now, the customers experience with the Artico was extremeley breif and it is the only experience he has ever had with a Koenigsegg. Christian was with him all the time explaining the car, what was ready and what was not ready. At the time customer told Christian that he liked driving the car, even tough it was not fully finnished. He said it felt unlike any car he had driven but as first impression he liked it.
Since then we have not in written or verbal form heard anything else from the customer, when it came to him liking the actual car or not, until my post.
Of course we knew he was furious of the delay, but that should not be mixed up with how he reacted to driving the car. Later when the customer went balistic on the forums after my post, it was very clear to us that either he changed his mind, not informing us, or he was not straight whith us when he orginally drove the car and said he liked it. None of the above makes us liars. I hope this is clear. If the client now says he never said he liked driving the car, then I guess it is his word against Christians.
When it comes to the paint issue. It was for sure not present when the car left the factory, whatever some people here believe. We spend 3-5000 Hours building a car, and a big problem like this would never ever even get to the PDI before noticed. The problem was not in the carbon, but in the basecoat as someone here pointed out. As soon as we saw it at Pebble Beach we arrange to fix it, which we did shortly after Pebble Beach. Apart from this limited area the paint quality looked fantastic, as I am sure can be seen on many pictures from the event. We take great pride in our industry leading paint finishes and would never, ever accept something like this leave the factory.
Yes we were late delivering the car according to the original very tight schedule, we appologize for this. Were we extremly late? No, definitely not considering the many changes and additions to the specificaiton made during the production of the car. As previously stated agreed to returned his payment more or less exactly a year after he decided to order the car. It is normal to wait much longer that this for similar cars.
Still the lateness made the customer unhappy. Did we build a substandard product? No. Not after the paint was again up to correct standard. From our perspective the car is is worth every penny and we stand firm by it.
When the customer did not want to wait -What did we do? We made the customer whole, by giving the customer what he asked for - his money back with a bonus.
I can tell you no other car company would have done that. The 918 is much more delayed than we were, so is Pagani, so was Bugatti once upon a time. None of them would give the money back with a bonus, because the customer does not want to wait any longer. But we did. Why did we give a bonus? Because the customer wrote if we did not give him this, he would be very unhappy and make sure we never sold a car in the US again. Apart from this we all know the customer controls or at least controlled some semi influential internet media channels, so we had to take this threath seriously. That is why. The customer asked us what we thought he should say if he was asked why he does not have the Artico. We told him that from our perspeective he can say that he got an offer that he could not refuse. We still believe this to be the case.....
I would say in retrospect the bonus money would have been spent better elsewhere, as the customer decided to go ballistic regardless, based on my comment that he liked driving the car. A comment I thought was true and utterly harmless. What sparked my reaction in the first place was a string on posts by the client on *** posted in a period of 2 weeks before our reaction, posts that no longer exists on the forum, so it might look like we were over reacting based on a simple comment, but that was not the case. I felt that we had to react since there was to much discussions going on that wasn't fair towards us.
Finally, as the car was never paid in full in time, we were not even officially late with the delivery....
I think the discussion has become what we call in Swedish/Norwegian "a storm in glass of water".
jens
______________
www.koenigsegg.com
JohnnyMac said:
A reply to all this from Jens on Teamspeed.com.
www.koenigsegg.com
Great reply. I've made up my mind... The buyer is an arshole.www.koenigsegg.com
Garvin said:
Having read the thread on L4P I assume that BC is an administrator/moderator of that forum as he refers to moving post/ threads and also appears to have edited the first couple of posts submitted by K'segg!! I wonder what was edited?
JohnnyMac said:
A reply to all this from Jens on Teamspeed.com
. . . . . . . . . What sparked my reaction in the first place was a string on posts by the client on *** posted in a period of 2 weeks before our reaction, posts that no longer exists on the forum . . . . . . . .
Hmmmm!. . . . . . . . . What sparked my reaction in the first place was a string on posts by the client on *** posted in a period of 2 weeks before our reaction, posts that no longer exists on the forum . . . . . . . .
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