RE: BMW M2: Review

[hufggfg]

kambites said:

cerb4.5lee said:

hufggfg said:

The M2 is very much targeted at being the ultimate driver's car

Hardly...if it was targeted at being the ultimate drivers car it wouldn't weigh as much as it does, it's a comfortable four seat car with decent performance so let's not get too carried away.

The whole point these things is that they are not ultimate drivers' cars; they're ultimate all-rounders. If it was being touted as an Exige competitor, people would obviously be right to complain about the weight but it's a bloody great saloon cars with four seats, electric everything and a big boot. M-cars generally drive exceptionally well for what they are but anyone expecting a sports car is going to be disappointed.

Sorry, I should have been more clear, what I mean is "the ultimate driver's car within the sector". It of course doesn't compare with real stripped out sports cars, but for what it is (4 seat, comfortable, daily useable) then they are very much targeting the "driver's" end of the market.

[cerb4.5lee]

Pommygranite said:

On the weight issue and the fact it's 'heavy':

BMW M2 kerb weight: 1495 kg
Ford Focus RS 2016: 1575kg
Mercedes A45: 1555kg
Audi S1: 1415kg
Audi RS3: 1525kg
VW Golf R: 1435kg

The M2 does seem pretty weighty when you consider it's only RWD whereas the rest are 4WD.

[Pommygranite]

EricE said:

Pommygranite said:

On the weight issue and the fact it's 'heavy':

BMW M2 kerb weight: 1495 kg
Ford Focus RS 2016: 1575kg
Mercedes A45: 1555kg
Audi S1: 1415kg
Audi RS3: 1525kg
VW Golf R: 1435kg
Porsche Cayman S: 1350kg

All AWD cars except for the Cayman...

Nissan 370Z: 1466kg
Lotus Evora s: 1437kg
Merc C63 AMG: 1711kg
Jaguar F Type Coupe: 1597kg

[cerb4.5lee]

Pommygranite said:

EricE said:

Pommygranite said:

On the weight issue and the fact it's 'heavy':

BMW M2 kerb weight: 1495 kg
Ford Focus RS 2016: 1575kg
Mercedes A45: 1555kg
Audi S1: 1415kg
Audi RS3: 1525kg
VW Golf R: 1435kg
Porsche Cayman S: 1350kg

All AWD cars except for the Cayman...

Nissan 370Z: 1466kg
Lotus Evora s: 1437kg
Merc C63 AMG: 1711kg
Jaguar F Type Coupe: 1597kg

I appreciate that I am stuck in the past but looking at the weight of all these cars just makes me pretty sad and crash protection and mod cons certainly have a lot to answer for in diluting the driving experience.

[hufggfg]

cerb4.5lee said:

Pommygranite said:

On the weight issue and the fact it's 'heavy':

BMW M2 kerb weight: 1495 kg
Ford Focus RS 2016: 1575kg
Mercedes A45: 1555kg
Audi S1: 1415kg
Audi RS3: 1525kg
VW Golf R: 1435kg

The M2 does seem pretty weighty when you consider it's only RWD whereas the rest are 4WD.

Agreed. The one that always amazes me is Porsche. The new turbo 911 S is 1440kgs, despite it having a larger footprint than all of those, and without being built with any particularly exotic materials for the chassis, and I doubt many people would accuse the 911 of feeling a bit cheap!

[HighwayStar]

cerb4.5lee said:

Pommygranite said:

On the weight issue and the fact it's 'heavy':

BMW M2 kerb weight: 1495 kg
Ford Focus RS 2016: 1575kg
Mercedes A45: 1555kg
Audi S1: 1415kg
Audi RS3: 1525kg
VW Golf R: 1435kg

The M2 does seem pretty weighty when you consider it's only RWD whereas the rest are 4WD.

It's the only one with a Six, and, how much lighter would the others be with out the 4WD systems. And, all those are FWD biased. Amusingly, as is the PH way, the cars listed have in other threads all those cars have been properly slaughtered for other reasons. Just goes to show, whatever manufacturers serve up, the PHer is never happy.
Generally it too heavy but it should come with all the options... Jags all look the same, new stuff comes out but oh it doesn't look like a Jag. It should have more power, why are cars getting more power, the wheels are wrong, it looks like another car...
You might not agree with them, but the manufactures know what they are doing.
Why the Cayman, a purpose built mid engined 2 seater was included in the original list of bigger 4 seat hatchbacks is beyond me.

[aeropilot]

HighwayStar said:

Why the Cayman, a purpose built mid engined 2 seater was included in the original list of bigger 4 seat hatchbacks is beyond me.

And me.....

[kambites]

cerb4.5lee said:

I appreciate that I am stuck in the past but looking at the weight of all these cars just makes me pretty sad and crash protection and mod cons certainly have a lot to answer for in diluting the driving experience.

You must be stuck a very long way into the past - this is very similar in terms of dimensions and weight to the E36 M3. With the exception of the E30 M-cars have never been particularly light.

[Pommygranite]

aeropilot said:

HighwayStar said:

Why the Cayman, a purpose built mid engined 2 seater was included in the original list of bigger 4 seat hatchbacks is beyond me.

And me.....

Size, peer relativity, rwd coupe - it's probably nearer a rival to the M2 than a Mustang that has been mentioned a few times.

[Pommygranite]

hufggfg said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Pommygranite said:

On the weight issue and the fact it's 'heavy':

BMW M2 kerb weight: 1495 kg
Ford Focus RS 2016: 1575kg
Mercedes A45: 1555kg
Audi S1: 1415kg
Audi RS3: 1525kg
VW Golf R: 1435kg

The M2 does seem pretty weighty when you consider it's only RWD whereas the rest are 4WD.

Agreed. The one that always amazes me is Porsche. The new turbo 911 S is 1440kgs, despite it having a larger footprint than all of those, and without being built with any particularly exotic materials for the chassis, and I doubt many people would accuse the 911 of feeling a bit cheap!

Eh? The new 991 Turbo S is 1600kg

[HighwayStar]

Pommygranite said:

aeropilot said:

HighwayStar said:

Why the Cayman, a purpose built mid engined 2 seater was included in the original list of bigger 4 seat hatchbacks is beyond me.

And me.....

Size, peer relativity, rwd coupe - it's probably nearer a rival to the M2 than a Mustang that has been mentioned a few times.

I agree from the point of view that right now I'm seriously mulling over the 981 Cayman S (previously enjoyed) to replace my TTS. The M2 has crossed my mind but I don't need 4 seats and it would likely cost me 6k or so more than I want to part with... Whatever I get next I want to keep so PCP is out. Anyway, my point is I wouldn't expect the 4 seat M2 to be even near the weight of the Cayman.

[giger]

HighwayStar said:

Whatever I get next I want to keep so PCP is out. Anyway, my point is I wouldn't expect the 4 seat M2 to be even near the weight of the Cayman.

I haven't decided how I am going to finance my M2 yet, but surely an option would be to put whatever deposit you want in, pay the monthly PCP and pay the car off at the end, thus avoiding the increased HP costs if you split the whole amount over the term?

[hufggfg]

Pommygranite said:

Eh? The new 991 Turbo S is 1600kg

turbo with a small t, not the Turbo.

[HighwayStar]

giger said:

HighwayStar said:

Whatever I get next I want to keep so PCP is out. Anyway, my point is I wouldn't expect the 4 seat M2 to be even near the weight of the Cayman.

I haven't decided how I am going to finance my M2 yet, but surely an option would be to put whatever deposit you want in, pay the monthly PCP and pay the car off at the end, thus avoiding the increased HP costs if you split the whole amount over the term?

Nah, what ever I buy I prefer to pay the least amount for it. I don't want to finish up handing over a balloon payment knowing that's it's mine but in the case of a car paying 5/6k or whatever over the cost of the car... I do get what you are saying though, bigger deposit etc..
I'm not on big money, around 40k but... no mortgage so cash and TTS would give me a Cayman S outright with just running costs. I could take the finance for a month or 2 if it got me more discount/stuff chucked in and pay it off after that.
Feel free to weigh in with any suggestions.

[Pommygranite]

hufggfg said:

Pommygranite said:

Eh? The new 991 Turbo S is 1600kg

turbo with a small t, not the Turbo.

Ah apologies.

[Ares]

yonex said:

Sounds epic, I'll await all the negatives from the usual doom mongers

In supersonic time....

PunterCam said:

This is the car we've been waiting for? There's very little on this car that is desirable, and I fking hate these engines.

[NDNDNDND]

hufggfg said:

Sorry, I should have been more clear, what I mean is "the ultimate driver's car within the sector". It of course doesn't compare with real stripped out sports cars, but for what it is (4 seat, comfortable, daily useable) then they are very much targeting the "driver's" end of the market.

Or rather it's aimed at people who *think* they're at the "drivers'" end of the market, but actually prefer fake engine noise and don't know how to change gear.

[Ares]

NDNDNDND said:

hufggfg said:

Sorry, I should have been more clear, what I mean is "the ultimate driver's car within the sector". It of course doesn't compare with real stripped out sports cars, but for what it is (4 seat, comfortable, daily useable) then they are very much targeting the "driver's" end of the market.

Or rather it's aimed at people who *think* they're at the "drivers'" end of the market, but actually prefer fake engine noise and don't know how to change gear.

Begs the question as to what is *SO* much better in the 4 seats/comfortable/daily user *drivers car* market?

What do *real* *drivers* *buy*?

[Pommygranite]

hufggfg said:

Pommygranite said:

Eh? The new 991 Turbo S is 1600kg

turbo with a small t, not the Turbo.

Ah apologies.

[HighwayStar]

NDNDNDND said:

hufggfg said:

Sorry, I should have been more clear, what I mean is "the ultimate driver's car within the sector". It of course doesn't compare with real stripped out sports cars, but for what it is (4 seat, comfortable, daily useable) then they are very much targeting the "driver's" end of the market.

Or rather it's aimed at people who *think* they're at the "drivers'" end of the market, but actually prefer fake engine noise and don't know how to change gear.

So, you've driven it then?