Chris Harris takes on Ferrari on US website....in a big way
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The e type 3.8 mk1 jaguar press car would do 150MPH.
No factory car could do that.So this press tweak is hardly new is it?
I'd be more impressed if Harris could pick a decent colour the next time he restores and upgrades a 911, that hideous bottle green was enormously puerile.
Still horses for courses an all that, he just comes over as a bit of a supercilious chinless wonder to me.
No factory car could do that.So this press tweak is hardly new is it?
I'd be more impressed if Harris could pick a decent colour the next time he restores and upgrades a 911, that hideous bottle green was enormously puerile.
Still horses for courses an all that, he just comes over as a bit of a supercilious chinless wonder to me.
CampDavid said:
RDMcG said:
RobM77 said:
On a related note, did we ever establish whether the GTR vs 997TT saga at the ring (and other tracks in magazine track tests) was kosher and whetehr Nissan were using a representative GTR? I seem to remember that Porsche bought a customer GTR and couldn't get near the times, even with Rohrl at the wheel.
I never heard to outcome of this either. Doubtless its a great car, but would love so see a Sport Auto test or the like .The article was called "The Truth" but i don't have a copy and now DR is of course f
kedEven with it's significant power deficit, the C2S out-sprinted the Nissan.
Nothing new of course; Nissan were heavily challenged after it's 'standard' R33 GTR broke the 8 min barrier when no one could fathom how.
stuttgartmetal said:
The e type 3.8 mk1 jaguar press car would do 150MPH.
No factory car could do that.So this press tweak is hardly new is it?
I'd be more impressed if Harris could pick a decent colour the next time he restores and upgrades a 911, that hideous bottle green was enormously puerile.
Still horses for courses an all that, he just comes over as a bit of a supercilious chinless wonder to me.
That's a bit harsh. Having met Harris, the overriding impression I was left with is that the guy is absolutley fanatical about performance cars, just like the rest of us on here.No factory car could do that.So this press tweak is hardly new is it?
I'd be more impressed if Harris could pick a decent colour the next time he restores and upgrades a 911, that hideous bottle green was enormously puerile.
Still horses for courses an all that, he just comes over as a bit of a supercilious chinless wonder to me.
And I think its a pretty bold move from someone who makes their living testing cars to p
s off the biggest kid in the playground. I'd just like to see some support for him from rest of the motoring press since that is the only way Ferrari will change the way they behave. Unfortunately, since selling magazines is a competitive business, I can't see that level of solidarity being very likely.Streetrod said:
So what’s the chance that this story will be featured on Top Gear on Sunday? Ferrari would have a hard time trying to suppress the biggest motoring show in the world and think of the fun Clarkson could have with this.
Would Ferrari stop supplying them with cars? That would be a major mistake, look how they treated Bentley a couple of weeks ago when they failed to supply a car...
I reckon Ferrari will have already stopped lending them cars after that GTO test.Would Ferrari stop supplying them with cars? That would be a major mistake, look how they treated Bentley a couple of weeks ago when they failed to supply a car...
Edited by Streetrod on Wednesday 16th February 17:37
stuttgartmetal said:
Having met Harris my overidding impression was that he was just a bit up himself, and just a tad vain.
As I said, horses for courses.
Fair enough, you don't have to like the guy but I don't think that takes away from the fact that he's actually had the balls to stick his neck on the line and say what no one else has been prepared to, for fear of incurring the displeasure of the Ferrari PR machine.As I said, horses for courses.
Respect where it's due and all that.
Really, does it matter how Ferrari behave? If you are going to buy one you will, if you are not you won't. Any write in the press won't make any difference.
My last two cars were not given great write ups, but I stil bought them after test drives and only one proved souless and bland (hint, it was german).As mentioned earlier only enthusiasts buy car magazines, only we read them, but on the whole we make are own judgement. As will Ferrari buyers, they wil sit in the car and drive at 10% to what most journalists do. But when they get in the car they know they are in something special.
And it happens elsewhere, I used to buy What Hi-Fi till it started turning into What Sony. Nobody should get on their high horses about this, I suspect all car companies do it, just Ferrari seem to do it badly.
In the two issues of Evo I've read (which I won't buy again, both were bought in airport lounges) one of them recreated the famous Countach test, where it reached 195 mph, by removing the wing, taping up any holes, and bit of other things. Did the journalist at the time write a cussed blog or article? No.
So when it comes to high performance car reviews, always take it with a pinch of salt. And Chris Harris is no martyr for the 'cause'. I think he's looking for a job.
My last two cars were not given great write ups, but I stil bought them after test drives and only one proved souless and bland (hint, it was german).As mentioned earlier only enthusiasts buy car magazines, only we read them, but on the whole we make are own judgement. As will Ferrari buyers, they wil sit in the car and drive at 10% to what most journalists do. But when they get in the car they know they are in something special.
And it happens elsewhere, I used to buy What Hi-Fi till it started turning into What Sony. Nobody should get on their high horses about this, I suspect all car companies do it, just Ferrari seem to do it badly.
In the two issues of Evo I've read (which I won't buy again, both were bought in airport lounges) one of them recreated the famous Countach test, where it reached 195 mph, by removing the wing, taping up any holes, and bit of other things. Did the journalist at the time write a cussed blog or article? No.
So when it comes to high performance car reviews, always take it with a pinch of salt. And Chris Harris is no martyr for the 'cause'. I think he's looking for a job.
Edited by Harji on Wednesday 16th February 17:56
Edited by Harji on Wednesday 16th February 17:59
Harji said:
Really, does it matter how Ferrari behave? If you are going to buy one you will, if you are not you won't. Any write in the press won't make any difference.
My last two cars were not given great write ups, but I stil bought them after test drives and only one proved souless and bland (hint, it was german).As mentioned earlier only enthusiasts buy car magazines, only we read them, but on the whole we make are own judgement. As will Ferrari buyers, they wil sit in the car and drive at 10% to what most journalists do. But when they get in the car they know they are in something special.
And it happens elsewhere, I used to buy What Hi-Fi till it started turning into What Sony. Nobody should get on their high horses about this, I suspect all car companies do it, just Ferrari seem to do it badly.
In the two issues of Evo I've read (which I won't buy again, both were bought in airport lounges) one of them recreated the famous Countach test, where it reached 195 mph, by removing the wing, taping up any holes, and bit of other things. Did the journalist at the time write a cussed blog or article? No.
So when it comes to high performance car reviews, always take it with a pinch of salt. And Chrios Harris is no martyr for the 'cause'. I think he's looking for a job.
If the review really makes no difference, and it really doesn't matter how Ferrari behave, then their behaviour, while remaining dishonest, also becomes a pointless waste of their money (or simply stupid).My last two cars were not given great write ups, but I stil bought them after test drives and only one proved souless and bland (hint, it was german).As mentioned earlier only enthusiasts buy car magazines, only we read them, but on the whole we make are own judgement. As will Ferrari buyers, they wil sit in the car and drive at 10% to what most journalists do. But when they get in the car they know they are in something special.
And it happens elsewhere, I used to buy What Hi-Fi till it started turning into What Sony. Nobody should get on their high horses about this, I suspect all car companies do it, just Ferrari seem to do it badly.
In the two issues of Evo I've read (which I won't buy again, both were bought in airport lounges) one of them recreated the famous Countach test, where it reached 195 mph, by removing the wing, taping up any holes, and bit of other things. Did the journalist at the time write a cussed blog or article? No.
So when it comes to high performance car reviews, always take it with a pinch of salt. And Chrios Harris is no martyr for the 'cause'. I think he's looking for a job.
Edited by Harji on Wednesday 16th February 17:56
k-ink said:
Yes it does.
When you buy a laptop would you be happy if it arrived with 20% less memory than advertised?
Is what every Car manufacturer stating on the stats correct? Are they optimised conditions that we really cannot get in everyday life? At least with a laptop it's eaiser to findout and safer.When you buy a laptop would you be happy if it arrived with 20% less memory than advertised?
Alfanatic said:
If the review really makes no difference, and it really doesn't matter how Ferrari behave, then their behaviour, while remaining dishonest, also becomes a pointless waste of their money (or simply stupid).
Pointless I would say. Come on, apart from car loving friends, how many times do you see a car magazine laying around? I know a few ppl who have alot of money , and their first port of call is Porsche or Ferrari without any magazine write up inbetween.Great Pretender said:
CampDavid said:
RDMcG said:
RobM77 said:
On a related note, did we ever establish whether the GTR vs 997TT saga at the ring (and other tracks in magazine track tests) was kosher and whetehr Nissan were using a representative GTR? I seem to remember that Porsche bought a customer GTR and couldn't get near the times, even with Rohrl at the wheel.
I never heard to outcome of this either. Doubtless its a great car, but would love so see a Sport Auto test or the like .The article was called "The Truth" but i don't have a copy and now DR is of course f
kedEven with it's significant power deficit, the C2S out-sprinted the Nissan.
Nothing new of course; Nissan were heavily challenged after it's 'standard' R33 GTR broke the 8 min barrier when no one could fathom how.
It always seemed strange to me how the 997TT was slower round the ring, because it's got a much lower centre of gravity, is lighter, and has around the same power. The tyres are the only thing I can think of.
If anyone else can remember the result of the DR test I'd be interested to know.
The C2S vs GTR comparison is surprising - does anyone remember the figures?
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