RE: Radical Smashes Nordschleife Record
Discussion
Speedy11 said:
flemke said:
because the motorised sofa is a "road car". If you don't believe me, just ask some of the authorities on this thread.
If the sofa is not a road car, then what is it? and what part of it makes it not a road car? If it passes the VOSA SVA/IVA test and DVLA give it a V5 then it is a road car whether you like it or not.What does this tell you?
Chris Eyre said:
Speedy11 said:
flemke said:
because the motorised sofa is a "road car". If you don't believe me, just ask some of the authorities on this thread.
If the sofa is not a road car, then what is it? and what part of it makes it not a road car? If it passes the VOSA SVA/IVA test and DVLA give it a V5 then it is a road car whether you like it or not.What does this tell you?
Speedy11 said:
I am not talking about production cars.
Pity. Radical are:http://www.radicalsportscars.com/
"Peterborough sportscar manufacturer Radical Sportscars has smashed the Nürburgring production car lap record"
Edited by Chris Eyre on Friday 21st August 23:24
An obscure story from, well I can't remember.
It goes, Lotus were getting winning times in qualifying, Chapman arrived passed the scrutineering etc except for a suspension component and on the night before the race. Convenient. He phoned the factory, they redesigned it shipped it out, fitted it all in time for the race. The Marshalls made up some Bull and disqualified him on the part. He stormed back to the UK vowing never to compete in Le Mans again.
Don't know it word for word but that's the gist. email Mike Kimberley, he might know more
http://www.lotusespritforum.com/forums/index.php?a...
It goes, Lotus were getting winning times in qualifying, Chapman arrived passed the scrutineering etc except for a suspension component and on the night before the race. Convenient. He phoned the factory, they redesigned it shipped it out, fitted it all in time for the race. The Marshalls made up some Bull and disqualified him on the part. He stormed back to the UK vowing never to compete in Le Mans again.
Don't know it word for word but that's the gist. email Mike Kimberley, he might know more
http://www.lotusespritforum.com/forums/index.php?a...
flemke said:
Oilchange said:
So what if the GT1 would have broken the record? Did anyone try? I suspect the owners were too afraid of dinking their investement. Sad if you ask me, they should have got a factory driver to try.
Radical did, it might not look like the Insignia your average Joe drives down the M4 but as I said its road legal. Thats what counts.
Maybe Jealousy is a bit strong, envious maybe. The LM organisers obviously were when they made up rubbish to prevent Chapman winning which he was probably set to.
That incident at Le Mans - which I do not recall a single person here on PH ever having defended - happened 47 years ago. And I suppose that you've got a grudge against Porsche because of the war that ended 64 years ago. Radical did, it might not look like the Insignia your average Joe drives down the M4 but as I said its road legal. Thats what counts.
Maybe Jealousy is a bit strong, envious maybe. The LM organisers obviously were when they made up rubbish to prevent Chapman winning which he was probably set to.
Speedy11 said:
Chris Eyre said:
Speedy11 said:
flemke said:
because the motorised sofa is a "road car". If you don't believe me, just ask some of the authorities on this thread.
If the sofa is not a road car, then what is it? and what part of it makes it not a road car? If it passes the VOSA SVA/IVA test and DVLA give it a V5 then it is a road car whether you like it or not.What does this tell you?
I thought we threw out the word "production" as a useful term to define what car would be acceptable, as all cars are "produced."
What's wrong with calling it a road-legal car, but a crap road car: a car that's technically road-legal, but different enough in form from an every day car to make its time incomparable to a Porsche's or Corvette's time.
Frankly, I'm not sure how much good the press did Radical last time. I completely forgot that they had such a record anyways, and I even have the on-board of that lap saved. Frivolity usually fades quickly.
As I said earlier, the times are interesting, to a point, but they're not everything. I mean, a Z06 is slower than a ZR1, but I'd take the Z06 every time. Heck, I'd trade in one minute around the 'ring to avoid that plexi-windowed engine cover and supercharged BS.
What's wrong with calling it a road-legal car, but a crap road car: a car that's technically road-legal, but different enough in form from an every day car to make its time incomparable to a Porsche's or Corvette's time.
Frankly, I'm not sure how much good the press did Radical last time. I completely forgot that they had such a record anyways, and I even have the on-board of that lap saved. Frivolity usually fades quickly.
As I said earlier, the times are interesting, to a point, but they're not everything. I mean, a Z06 is slower than a ZR1, but I'd take the Z06 every time. Heck, I'd trade in one minute around the 'ring to avoid that plexi-windowed engine cover and supercharged BS.
Chris Eyre said:
Speedy11 said:
I am not talking about production cars.
Pity. Radical are:http://www.radicalsportscars.com/
"Peterborough sportscar manufacturer Radical Sportscars has smashed the Nürburgring production car lap record"
Edited by Chris Eyre on Friday 21st August 23:24
Seems to me that Radical are getting side tracked by these irrelevant and largely meaningless stunts. They should concentrate on building a racecar that is competitive in a form of racing where it has to race other manufacturers. Its attempts so far have seen the occasional good performance, but generally not that great.
Even Roll Centre gave up when they realised that the LMP2 was a lemon and this is a team with infinite patience, they even raced TVR's before that, perhaps the biggest, yellowest lemon of all time!
Even Roll Centre gave up when they realised that the LMP2 was a lemon and this is a team with infinite patience, they even raced TVR's before that, perhaps the biggest, yellowest lemon of all time!
Speedy11 said:
Chris Eyre said:
Speedy11 said:
I am not talking about production cars.
Pity. Radical are:http://www.radicalsportscars.com/
"Peterborough sportscar manufacturer Radical Sportscars has smashed the Nürburgring production car lap record"
Edited by Chris Eyre on Friday 21st August 23:24
But does this rule circumvention not ring rather large alarm bells about what it allows Radical to do, but others not to?
This isn't motorsport, it isn't about having the engine expire as just it goes across the line. It's about taking a road legal production car and setting a repeatable time - one that could be repeated on the next lap. Not using something that's as contentious as a dedicated race car made road legal.
It needs to have people warmly nodding, knowing there's something right and fair about the contest, and the spirit of road legality in the high volume sense, not the bathtub joke that is IVA.
As Flemke's been pointing out all along, what exactly is the achievement of an SR8, being put, artificially on road tyres, and then setting a supposedly production road legal time?
Precisely nothing, at all.
If I had the money, I'd IVA an F1 car, and we'd all see the extremeties of what the current 'rulebook' (as understood) currently allows. Everyone would note the mickeytake, and move on. The challenge would be dead, the sofas and Radicals would revert to their respective functions of novelty humour and racing, and every small volume mfr with a would stop kidding themselves they could beat the time.
Either that happens - and it can't happen soon enough - or we accept that the plot was firmly lost on this contest a long time ago, and someone moves the goalposts back to where they should be.
Autocar and Sport Auto (and any other proiminent European mags) should agree between what the rules are, police them, and everyone then knows where they stand.
Otherwise we have this nonsense, from now to eternity, from every publicity-seeking company who takes an interest.
(and I'd bet they're loving this)
Oilchange said:
An obscure story from, well I can't remember.
It goes, Lotus were getting winning times in qualifying, Chapman arrived passed the scrutineering etc except for a suspension component and on the night before the race. Convenient. He phoned the factory, they redesigned it shipped it out, fitted it all in time for the race. The Marshalls made up some Bull and disqualified him on the part. He stormed back to the UK vowing never to compete in Le Mans again.
Don't know it word for word but that's the gist. email Mike Kimberley, he might know more
http://www.lotusespritforum.com/forums/index.php?a...
I think that this is what you're looking for:It goes, Lotus were getting winning times in qualifying, Chapman arrived passed the scrutineering etc except for a suspension component and on the night before the race. Convenient. He phoned the factory, they redesigned it shipped it out, fitted it all in time for the race. The Marshalls made up some Bull and disqualified him on the part. He stormed back to the UK vowing never to compete in Le Mans again.
Don't know it word for word but that's the gist. email Mike Kimberley, he might know more
http://www.lotusespritforum.com/forums/index.php?a...
http://www.utahlotusmuseum.com/id105.htm
Ipelm said:
Seems to me that Radical are getting side tracked by these irrelevant and largely meaningless stunts. They should concentrate on building a racecar that is competitive in a form of racing where it has to race other manufacturers. Its attempts so far have seen the occasional good performance, but generally not that great.
They seem to do quite well out of the Radical race series. As do Caterham out of theirs. Neither really go out of their way to enter 'mixed' championships because that's not the market they're catering to. You want to race a Caterham against same specced Caterhams at your level, you can. Likewise the Radical. Then again, they do make the SR5 which I think is eligible for the VdeV/Speed series where it can race against Juno's and the like. No idea how it does.
Fred Goodwin was allegedly an unattractively Greedy banker, The radical is an interesting looking very fast car built by a company that only a short while ago was making folding sun loungers. Quite an achievement in so short a space of time, especially when other manufacturers have had years and years and millions to develop their products to their current performance levels.
peter pan said:
Fred Goodwin was allegedly an unattractively Greedy banker, The radical is an interesting looking very fast car built by a company that only a short while ago was making folding sun loungers. Quite an achievement in so short a space of time, especially when other manufacturers have had years and years and millions to develop their products to their current performance levels.
Like they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to mine, make that stunning looking!PascalBuyens said:
budala said:
PascalBuyens said:
budala said:
Congratulations to Radical !
If I bought a Radical in France, no way to register it...( I tried !)
Anyway bravo to Radical and Vergers.
There is... Register it in UK for one day, then bring it to France. EU Laws force them to accept it once it's been road registered in a EU country. How do I know? I sold my Honda Type R engined Elise to a French guy, using that law...If I bought a Radical in France, no way to register it...( I tried !)
Anyway bravo to Radical and Vergers.
Edited by budala on Thursday 20th August 22:33
Edited by PascalBuyens on Friday 21st August 07:04
To register in european countries a registered car in UK, the car must have an EU certificate otherwise you have
to be agreed by the national "SVA" ( la DRIRE, ex service des Mines en France).
Your car (Honda) could have been accepted but believe me, the Rad hasn't this certificate (too expensive
for a small company) and no way to register it in France.
I had exactly the same problem with "my" Ultima GTR. It is still registered in UK and I'm not the official
owner otherwise i would have to register it in France (impossible except with "money").
And the official owner must be a foreigner for France and not living in France...
Why Ted Marlow did he said it was not possible and missed a sale of a brand new Ultima ?
Why the official agent for Radical in France confirm it is not possible ?
And it's the same result for many UK cars like Caterham CSR 260 for example.
The only way to register such cars in France is to go through our national "SVA" and mainly due to noise and pollution, they failed...except if you change engine, exhaust, etc...It's no more the same car and it's expensive.
A car homologated in UK could be driven in France (that's what I do) but not be registered except huge modifications and lot of money...and it will not be the original car!
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