RE: Mallory Park's future in doubt
Discussion
I think the big mistake was setting up a motocross bike track.
Those bikes make far more noise than the race cars and it is an annoying noise too.
I suspect the Landlord has no interest in it remaining a race circuit. No matter what the rent is for the site as a circuit, selling it for housing/development will generate substantially more money and release the capital for another investment.
There has been a growing demand for track driving over the last 20 years and yet we see increasing restrictions on the operators supplying the facilities. All of the tracks are long standing and often historic circuits, so those living next door should be aware of the nature of their neighbours. We are a small island and finding a new location for a circuit would be almost impossible.
If circuits are to remain well into the future we need to see the land ownership placed into a motorsport charity with a charter that prevents sale for development. If this was done then the rent would be limited by the demand from operators.
Those bikes make far more noise than the race cars and it is an annoying noise too.
I suspect the Landlord has no interest in it remaining a race circuit. No matter what the rent is for the site as a circuit, selling it for housing/development will generate substantially more money and release the capital for another investment.
There has been a growing demand for track driving over the last 20 years and yet we see increasing restrictions on the operators supplying the facilities. All of the tracks are long standing and often historic circuits, so those living next door should be aware of the nature of their neighbours. We are a small island and finding a new location for a circuit would be almost impossible.
If circuits are to remain well into the future we need to see the land ownership placed into a motorsport charity with a charter that prevents sale for development. If this was done then the rent would be limited by the demand from operators.
Storer said:
I think the big mistake was setting up a motocross bike track.
Those bikes make far more noise than the race cars and it is an annoying noise too. it certainly can't have helped
I suspect the Landlord has no interest in it remaining a race circuit.groundless suspicion is no help No matter what the rent is for the site as a circuit, selling it for housing/development will generate substantially more money and release the capital for another investment.
There has been a growing demand for track driving over the last 20 years and yet we see increasing restrictions on the operators supplying the facilities. All of the tracks are long standing and often historic circuits, so those living next door should be aware of the nature of their neighbours.no reawson why those neighbours should be allowed to act unreasonably We are a small island and finding a new location for a circuit would be almost impossible.
If circuits are to remain well into the future we need to see the land ownership placed into a motorsport charity with a charter that prevents sale for development. If this was done then the rent would be limited by the demand from operators.
Those bikes make far more noise than the race cars and it is an annoying noise too. it certainly can't have helped
I suspect the Landlord has no interest in it remaining a race circuit.groundless suspicion is no help No matter what the rent is for the site as a circuit, selling it for housing/development will generate substantially more money and release the capital for another investment.
There has been a growing demand for track driving over the last 20 years and yet we see increasing restrictions on the operators supplying the facilities. All of the tracks are long standing and often historic circuits, so those living next door should be aware of the nature of their neighbours.no reawson why those neighbours should be allowed to act unreasonably We are a small island and finding a new location for a circuit would be almost impossible.
If circuits are to remain well into the future we need to see the land ownership placed into a motorsport charity with a charter that prevents sale for development. If this was done then the rent would be limited by the demand from operators.
MPML need to get their story straight. Are they going into administration because the 1985 agreement is too restrictive, or because the circuit owner (the mysterious Titan Ltd - where did they pop up from?) are charging too high a rent?
ISTM that MPML have gone about this problem (of their own making, it must be said) with breathtaking stupidity and utter lack of foresight. If everything I have read is true, the failure of MPML and relinquishing of control over circuit activities couldn't have come too soon, and will doubtless be a good thing in the long run.
I'm sure, like every other circuit, Mallory suffers from NIMBYs; unlike other circuits, however, it seems to have its fair share of local fans too. I really hope it can survive as a motorsport venue, I have fond memories of racing there, and the on-site food was some of the best (and best value) of any UK circuit.
ISTM that MPML have gone about this problem (of their own making, it must be said) with breathtaking stupidity and utter lack of foresight. If everything I have read is true, the failure of MPML and relinquishing of control over circuit activities couldn't have come too soon, and will doubtless be a good thing in the long run.
I'm sure, like every other circuit, Mallory suffers from NIMBYs; unlike other circuits, however, it seems to have its fair share of local fans too. I really hope it can survive as a motorsport venue, I have fond memories of racing there, and the on-site food was some of the best (and best value) of any UK circuit.
king nimbys.Well I'm confused having read through the press releases from MPML they all mention the "support" provided by BARC exceptional support to suppliers etc but I could have sworn MPML are/where a wholly owned subsidiary of BARC. If the numbers didn't stack up for BARC then yes closure is the correct route but please just issue a press release that say's this honestly.
In answer to one of questions about Titan they've owned the circuit and grounds since the early 80's, thirty odd years would be a long time to plan a land grab for development into housing and IIRC the owner is a former racer. He must be in his last 70's or early 80's now.
Flicking through the companies house filings I guess the company is basically dormant as a trading entity and now acts as the owner(s) pension fund providing annual income.
In answer to one of questions about Titan they've owned the circuit and grounds since the early 80's, thirty odd years would be a long time to plan a land grab for development into housing and IIRC the owner is a former racer. He must be in his last 70's or early 80's now.
Flicking through the companies house filings I guess the company is basically dormant as a trading entity and now acts as the owner(s) pension fund providing annual income.
b0rk said:
Well I'm confused having read through the press releases from MPML they all mention the "support" provided by BARC exceptional support to suppliers etc but I could have sworn MPML are/where a wholly owned subsidiary of BARC. If the numbers didn't stack up for BARC then yes closure is the correct route but please just issue a press release that say's this honestly.
In answer to one of questions about Titan they've owned the circuit and grounds since the early 80's, thirty odd years would be a long time to plan a land grab for development into housing and IIRC the owner is a former racer. He must be in his last 70's or early 80's now.
Flicking through the companies house filings I guess the company is basically dormant as a trading entity and now acts as the owner(s) pension fund providing annual income.
70 years old...sitting on land worth millions......Hmmm do I take a monthly income or a lump sum...In answer to one of questions about Titan they've owned the circuit and grounds since the early 80's, thirty odd years would be a long time to plan a land grab for development into housing and IIRC the owner is a former racer. He must be in his last 70's or early 80's now.
Flicking through the companies house filings I guess the company is basically dormant as a trading entity and now acts as the owner(s) pension fund providing annual income.
It wouldn't be the first time!
Not saying it is this time but there are many more facets to this story than the usual noisy neighbours issue.
It has been well documented that their are issues on all 3 sides of this love triangle.
I sincerely hope it all works itself out.
N.
AdeV said:
(the mysterious Titan Ltd - where did they pop up from?) are charging too high a rent?
I could be wrong, but I think it's this company: http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00928691/TITAN-P...
The directors have Mallory and Oulton park in their ex-directorships.
The main guys also appear to be quite old: Brian Robinson is 77 years old, Christopher Meek is about 81 according to their directorship details.
It's interesting that the folk living near the circuit have to balance "we don't want noise from the track" with "we also don't want 2000+ new houses being built on the land which will totally collapse the property market round here".
For those on this thread saying it's not a NIMBY issue: it is. If there was no noise restriction there would be no problem. It's been like that for years, just like other classic tracks (Goodwood, I'm looking at you).
C
Will any new contributors to this thread please take the time to read it from the beginning before posting comments. Some of the comments above are ignorant, unhelpful and troll-worthy.
There are two sides to every story. We don't all have all the details available to us, but if you read what has been said and take some time to view information outside of PH that's in the public domain, you will understand it is not a case of a few angry neighbors spoiling it for everybody.
There have been other cases at other circuits of a few misguided individuals causing trouble, but Mallory does not fall into this category.
This situation has come about primarily by mis-management of the venue. Hopefully a more competent team will come along and make it work at some point in the future.
As to turning it into housing/supermarkets or whatever, there is a lot more involved in getting permission to do that than just buying some land and building on it, so this is not necessarily an alternative.
Two places you may have heard of - Dunsfold (Top Gear track) and Longcross Test track have spent many years and significant sums of money submitting plans to develop those sites and nothing has happened. For the landowners, it's a pot of gold if they can do it, but sometimes it's just a pipe dream.
I reckon Mallory will return but if it doesn't, don't blame it on 'nimbys', blame it on the incompetent management, because that is the true cause of this mess.
There are two sides to every story. We don't all have all the details available to us, but if you read what has been said and take some time to view information outside of PH that's in the public domain, you will understand it is not a case of a few angry neighbors spoiling it for everybody.
There have been other cases at other circuits of a few misguided individuals causing trouble, but Mallory does not fall into this category.
This situation has come about primarily by mis-management of the venue. Hopefully a more competent team will come along and make it work at some point in the future.
As to turning it into housing/supermarkets or whatever, there is a lot more involved in getting permission to do that than just buying some land and building on it, so this is not necessarily an alternative.
Two places you may have heard of - Dunsfold (Top Gear track) and Longcross Test track have spent many years and significant sums of money submitting plans to develop those sites and nothing has happened. For the landowners, it's a pot of gold if they can do it, but sometimes it's just a pipe dream.
I reckon Mallory will return but if it doesn't, don't blame it on 'nimbys', blame it on the incompetent management, because that is the true cause of this mess.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Will any new contributors to this thread please take the time to read it from the beginning before posting comments. Some of the comments above are ignorant, unhelpful and troll-worthy.
There are two sides to every story. We don't all have all the details available to us, but if you read what has been said and take some time to view information outside of PH that's in the public domain, you will understand it is not a case of a few angry neighbors spoiling it for everybody.
There have been other cases at other circuits of a few misguided individuals causing trouble, but Mallory does not fall into this category.
This situation has come about primarily by mis-management of the venue. Hopefully a more competent team will come along and make it work at some point in the future.
As to turning it into housing/supermarkets or whatever, there is a lot more involved in getting permission to do that than just buying some land and building on it, so this is not necessarily an alternative.
Two places you may have heard of - Dunsfold (Top Gear track) and Longcross Test track have spent many years and significant sums of money submitting plans to develop those sites and nothing has happened. For the landowners, it's a pot of gold if they can do it, but sometimes it's just a pipe dream.
I reckon Mallory will return but if it doesn't, don't blame it on 'nimbys', blame it on the incompetent management, because that is the true cause of this mess.
With all due respect, I think you should read this;There are two sides to every story. We don't all have all the details available to us, but if you read what has been said and take some time to view information outside of PH that's in the public domain, you will understand it is not a case of a few angry neighbors spoiling it for everybody.
There have been other cases at other circuits of a few misguided individuals causing trouble, but Mallory does not fall into this category.
This situation has come about primarily by mis-management of the venue. Hopefully a more competent team will come along and make it work at some point in the future.
As to turning it into housing/supermarkets or whatever, there is a lot more involved in getting permission to do that than just buying some land and building on it, so this is not necessarily an alternative.
Two places you may have heard of - Dunsfold (Top Gear track) and Longcross Test track have spent many years and significant sums of money submitting plans to develop those sites and nothing has happened. For the landowners, it's a pot of gold if they can do it, but sometimes it's just a pipe dream.
I reckon Mallory will return but if it doesn't, don't blame it on 'nimbys', blame it on the incompetent management, because that is the true cause of this mess.
citizensm1th said:
I live about 3 miles from Mallory to the NE and I know people who live in the village
it is down to a vocal minority who just don't want the circuit to be active at a level that will sustain a viable circuit
but on the upside I will have plenty of work when Titan Properties Ltd (who are a property developing company) either sell up for housing or develop the site themselves.
so well done nimbys you have years of building development to look forward to at worst and at least a huge desolate open space smack bang in the middle of your village that the scallies from earl shilton will love racing around of dirt bikes ,I for one cant wait for the 3.174keys to move in you can have the lot from the good Friday site at bagworth.
I have a mate who's a local to the circuit and echoes exactly what this chap's said. Yes, the circuit has done itself no favours at all, but there is an awful lot more to the story than I've read online, if you go and actually speak to the locals.it is down to a vocal minority who just don't want the circuit to be active at a level that will sustain a viable circuit
but on the upside I will have plenty of work when Titan Properties Ltd (who are a property developing company) either sell up for housing or develop the site themselves.
so well done nimbys you have years of building development to look forward to at worst and at least a huge desolate open space smack bang in the middle of your village that the scallies from earl shilton will love racing around of dirt bikes ,I for one cant wait for the 3.174keys to move in you can have the lot from the good Friday site at bagworth.
srob said:
With all due respect, I think you should read this;
I had read it but don't see how it differs from a lot of other individual opinions. A number of locals are objecting to the fact that Mallory was flouting the regulations and allowing events such as Awesomefest to take place which was completely irresponsible of the management. That is the crux of the matter and the council finally took action.citizensm1th said:
I live about 3 miles from Mallory to the NE and I know people who live in the village
it is down to a vocal minority who just don't want the circuit to be active at a level that will sustain a viable circuit
but on the upside I will have plenty of work when Titan Properties Ltd (who are a property developing company) either sell up for housing or develop the site themselves.
so well done nimbys you have years of building development to look forward to at worst and at least a huge desolate open space smack bang in the middle of your village that the scallies from earl shilton will love racing around of dirt bikes ,I for one cant wait for the 3.174keys to move in you can have the lot from the good Friday site at bagworth.
I have a mate who's a local to the circuit and echoes exactly what this chap's said. Yes, the circuit has done itself no favours at all, but there is an awful lot more to the story than I've read online, if you go and actually speak to the locals.it is down to a vocal minority who just don't want the circuit to be active at a level that will sustain a viable circuit
but on the upside I will have plenty of work when Titan Properties Ltd (who are a property developing company) either sell up for housing or develop the site themselves.
so well done nimbys you have years of building development to look forward to at worst and at least a huge desolate open space smack bang in the middle of your village that the scallies from earl shilton will love racing around of dirt bikes ,I for one cant wait for the 3.174keys to move in you can have the lot from the good Friday site at bagworth.
You can express the issue in the same sort of way the press release does i.e "a vocal minority who just don't want the circuit to be active at a level that will sustain a viable circuit" or you look at it the other way that the restrictions were imposed in 1985 and the management took on the business and when they found they couldn't make enough money within the imposed restrictions they chose to flout them in the hope the locals would accept it.
I don't understand why you think the locals, minority or not, should have to accept a local business flouting very clear regulations?
Most of us have nuisances of some sort where we live. Could be noise of some sort, could be smoke from a local incinerator, could be the smell of manure from a farm, could be children screaming in a playground outside your office window. Regulations exist to allow businesses and services like these to operate in residential areas within defined limits which the residents can choose to accept or not when they move into the area or when the consultations are being carried out. In 1985 it seems the regulations were agreed to everyone's satisfaction and Mallory worked as a business.
It is unreasonable to expect residents, however few, to just accept those regulations are ignored in order for the business to carry on being profitable. If that's what they have to do then they've either got their business model wrong and need to rethink it, or put a plan in place to expand operations and get the regulations changed to everyone's satisfaction.
If I've missed some piece of information which contradicts any of this, then please provide the details, but that's the way I have read it in the posts on here, comments from locals and information available elsewhere online.
FurtiveFreddy said:
If I've missed some piece of information which contradicts any of this, then please provide the details, but that's the way I have read it in the posts on here, comments from locals and information available elsewhere online.
That was my point - try going and actually speaking to the locals involved rather than simply believing what people say on forums or in press releases. srob said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
If I've missed some piece of information which contradicts any of this, then please provide the details, but that's the way I have read it in the posts on here, comments from locals and information available elsewhere online.
That was my point - try going and actually speaking to the locals involved rather than simply believing what people say on forums or in press releases. srob said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
If I've missed some piece of information which contradicts any of this, then please provide the details, but that's the way I have read it in the posts on here, comments from locals and information available elsewhere online.
That was my point - try going and actually speaking to the locals involved rather than simply believing what people say on forums or in press releases. srob said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
If I've missed some piece of information which contradicts any of this, then please provide the details, but that's the way I have read it in the posts on here, comments from locals and information available elsewhere online.
That was my point - try going and actually speaking to the locals involved rather than simply believing what people say on forums or in press releases. It's a fair cop. I read the press release and nothing else. Apologies.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Why don't you tell us all what they say if they haven't contributed in the public domain? If the information is factual, there is nothing to stop you.
Indeed - that would be useful, to help form an opinion! By the way, in case you didn't know, people don't always give you the full facts or tell the truth even when you talk to them face-to-face.
Everyone has their own agenda in this world and I don't simply accept what someone says on a forum as being fact and I certainly don't take press releases on face value, as can be seen very clearly from the wording of the one Mallory just issued!
But if anyone has factual information about this case and not hearsay, personal (often biased) opinions or just ignorant rantings, then I'll listen to it and weigh it up along with everything else I've read and heard.
Everyone has their own agenda in this world and I don't simply accept what someone says on a forum as being fact and I certainly don't take press releases on face value, as can be seen very clearly from the wording of the one Mallory just issued!
But if anyone has factual information about this case and not hearsay, personal (often biased) opinions or just ignorant rantings, then I'll listen to it and weigh it up along with everything else I've read and heard.
dirty boy said:
Sad times
MALLORY PARK MOTORSPORT LIMITED TO BE PUT INTO ADMINISTRATION
It is with great regret that Mallory Park Motorsport Limited has today announced that the company has been put into Administration.
Mallory Park has been operating as a motorcycle and car race circuit for many years and has much history attaching to the circuit. In 1985 a highly restrictive Noise Notice was attached to Mallory Park Motorsport Limited ('MPML') embracing all circuit activities but, significantly, a number of the provisions within the Notice were very much open to interpretation.
MPML has enjoyed a long and fruitful relationship with Hinckley & Bosworth Borough Council over the years and a level of understanding had been established to work within the 1985 Notice. Regrettably, however, this arrangement was placed under scrutiny by local residents some of whom were new to the village, who made representations to HBBC to apply the rigid interpretation of the 1985 Notice.
MPML and the local authority worked extremely hard with the residents to find a compromise solution but, unfortunately, the council decided to prosecute MPML on five charges of the Notice during 2012 which involved operating on a Saturday over and above the four days agreed in the Notice. The court hearing took place in August 2013 and ruled that MPML was guilty of this breach on the five occasions, but MPML was given the right to take the establishment rights of the 1985 Notice to a higher court.
The immediate implication of the Court decision was to oblige MPML to observe the provision of the 1985 Notice, which allows only for 40 days racing on Sundays per annum (but with a dispensation to allow four Saturdays per annum) and testing on Wednesdays. MPML was accordingly obliged to cancel all track day operations, resulting in a significant loss of income (a situation also felt by local businesses and local employers) and use of the track for local community activities - young driver training etc. Overall, the imposition of such restrictions has inevitably led to MPML having a financially unstable business plan.
Following the Court case, MPML immediately implemented the highly restrictive conditions of the 1985 Notice, thus effectively reducing the circuit activity to two days per week. Significant losses were being incurred which no business can sustain. It was clear that a more dynamic approach needed to be taken to overcome the significant hurdles and two weeks ago MPML developed an innovative three stage Recovery Plan to take Mallory forwards which would hopefully meets the wishes of the residents and form the basis of a viable business.
Very constructive dialogue was held with the Leader of HBBC and senior officials and we were receiving very encouraging reactions from them to the Plan. A fundamental component of the Plan was the agreement of the Land Owner to reduce the annual lease rental, which had risen by over 40% over the last eight years and had reached untenable levels. Very regrettably, despite intense work by the MPML board, the Land Owner - Titan Properties Ltd - refused to make a substantive offer to allow the Recovery Plan to proceed.
British Automobile Racing Club were keen to support MPML (and did so up to the final race meeting yesterday by paying for certain essential supplies allowing the meeting to place) and indeed would have supported MPML to ensure all its trade creditors were paid. To that end, it needed the support of the Landlord with a sustainable rent but, regrettably, this was not possible to achieve.
Accordingly, having no firm visibility into 2014 and beyond, MPML directors had no option but to place the company into Administration.
The administrator, Ian Robert of Kingston Smith & Partners LLP, commented: “I will be working with all the stakeholders to ensure that Mallory Park will see racing again. I hope the administration process can assist in finding a solution which will be beneficial to all parties concerned.”
He continued: “To that end, I will be negotiating with the landlord and the council, with the support of the BARC, to ensure that racing can be enjoyed at Mallory Park for years to come. Although it is early days, I am hopeful that, once a solution to the lease is found, all of the company’s creditors should receive a substantial dividend, which I understand is very much the driving force behind the continued support of the BARC.”
Just to precis the article:MALLORY PARK MOTORSPORT LIMITED TO BE PUT INTO ADMINISTRATION
It is with great regret that Mallory Park Motorsport Limited has today announced that the company has been put into Administration.
Mallory Park has been operating as a motorcycle and car race circuit for many years and has much history attaching to the circuit. In 1985 a highly restrictive Noise Notice was attached to Mallory Park Motorsport Limited ('MPML') embracing all circuit activities but, significantly, a number of the provisions within the Notice were very much open to interpretation.
MPML has enjoyed a long and fruitful relationship with Hinckley & Bosworth Borough Council over the years and a level of understanding had been established to work within the 1985 Notice. Regrettably, however, this arrangement was placed under scrutiny by local residents some of whom were new to the village, who made representations to HBBC to apply the rigid interpretation of the 1985 Notice.
MPML and the local authority worked extremely hard with the residents to find a compromise solution but, unfortunately, the council decided to prosecute MPML on five charges of the Notice during 2012 which involved operating on a Saturday over and above the four days agreed in the Notice. The court hearing took place in August 2013 and ruled that MPML was guilty of this breach on the five occasions, but MPML was given the right to take the establishment rights of the 1985 Notice to a higher court.
The immediate implication of the Court decision was to oblige MPML to observe the provision of the 1985 Notice, which allows only for 40 days racing on Sundays per annum (but with a dispensation to allow four Saturdays per annum) and testing on Wednesdays. MPML was accordingly obliged to cancel all track day operations, resulting in a significant loss of income (a situation also felt by local businesses and local employers) and use of the track for local community activities - young driver training etc. Overall, the imposition of such restrictions has inevitably led to MPML having a financially unstable business plan.
Following the Court case, MPML immediately implemented the highly restrictive conditions of the 1985 Notice, thus effectively reducing the circuit activity to two days per week. Significant losses were being incurred which no business can sustain. It was clear that a more dynamic approach needed to be taken to overcome the significant hurdles and two weeks ago MPML developed an innovative three stage Recovery Plan to take Mallory forwards which would hopefully meets the wishes of the residents and form the basis of a viable business.
Very constructive dialogue was held with the Leader of HBBC and senior officials and we were receiving very encouraging reactions from them to the Plan. A fundamental component of the Plan was the agreement of the Land Owner to reduce the annual lease rental, which had risen by over 40% over the last eight years and had reached untenable levels. Very regrettably, despite intense work by the MPML board, the Land Owner - Titan Properties Ltd - refused to make a substantive offer to allow the Recovery Plan to proceed.
British Automobile Racing Club were keen to support MPML (and did so up to the final race meeting yesterday by paying for certain essential supplies allowing the meeting to place) and indeed would have supported MPML to ensure all its trade creditors were paid. To that end, it needed the support of the Landlord with a sustainable rent but, regrettably, this was not possible to achieve.
Accordingly, having no firm visibility into 2014 and beyond, MPML directors had no option but to place the company into Administration.
The administrator, Ian Robert of Kingston Smith & Partners LLP, commented: “I will be working with all the stakeholders to ensure that Mallory Park will see racing again. I hope the administration process can assist in finding a solution which will be beneficial to all parties concerned.”
He continued: “To that end, I will be negotiating with the landlord and the council, with the support of the BARC, to ensure that racing can be enjoyed at Mallory Park for years to come. Although it is early days, I am hopeful that, once a solution to the lease is found, all of the company’s creditors should receive a substantial dividend, which I understand is very much the driving force behind the continued support of the BARC.”
It is the fault of new villagers.
It is the fault of the Court.
It is the fault of the landlord.
There is absolutely no blame whatsoever for the management. They, at no point, have done a single thing wrong.
The management did not fail to comply to the law and the courts were vindictive and wrong in their cruel ascertions.
The management did not fail to respect the local residents' rights.
The management did not fail to negotiate properly with their landlord.
Well, one can only hope that the circuit get's new owners who aren't so amazing and faultless in future.
FurtiveFreddy said:
CraigyMc said:
If there was no noise restriction there would be no problem.
But there is, always has been and every other circuit in the country has to abide by the same sort of rules to survive. Mallory chose not to and have paid the price.CraigyMc said:
For those on this thread saying it's not a NIMBY issue: it is. If there was no noise restriction there would be no problem. It's been like that for years, just like other classic tracks (Goodwood, I'm looking at you).
So, basically, you're agreeing, yes?Even before BARC took over, the operators had to be careful about noise (don't skid at Shaws Hairpin or it'll annoy the neighbours!) -- we were told this in 2002.
C
FurtiveFreddy said:
Will any new contributors to this thread please take the time to read it from the beginning before posting comments. Some of the comments above are ignorant, unhelpful and troll-worthy.
There are two sides to every story. We don't all have all the details available to us, but if you read what has been said and take some time to view information outside of PH that's in the public domain, you will understand it is not a case of a few angry neighbors spoiling it for everybody.
There have been other cases at other circuits of a few misguided individuals causing trouble, but Mallory does not fall into this category.
This situation has come about primarily by mis-management of the venue. Hopefully a more competent team will come along and make it work at some point in the future.
As to turning it into housing/supermarkets or whatever, there is a lot more involved in getting permission to do that than just buying some land and building on it, so this is not necessarily an alternative.
Two places you may have heard of - Dunsfold (Top Gear track) and Longcross Test track have spent many years and significant sums of money submitting plans to develop those sites and nothing has happened. For the landowners, it's a pot of gold if they can do it, but sometimes it's just a pipe dream.
I reckon Mallory will return but if it doesn't, don't blame it on 'nimbys', blame it on the incompetent management, because that is the true cause of this mess.
As the development would be sizeable, permission won't be a problem. Just a case of brown envelopes to people on the council. As it's accepted that there's a housing shortage in the UK it's more likely that development would be approved. Plus bringing employment to the building industry in the area and for the supermarket staff.There are two sides to every story. We don't all have all the details available to us, but if you read what has been said and take some time to view information outside of PH that's in the public domain, you will understand it is not a case of a few angry neighbors spoiling it for everybody.
There have been other cases at other circuits of a few misguided individuals causing trouble, but Mallory does not fall into this category.
This situation has come about primarily by mis-management of the venue. Hopefully a more competent team will come along and make it work at some point in the future.
As to turning it into housing/supermarkets or whatever, there is a lot more involved in getting permission to do that than just buying some land and building on it, so this is not necessarily an alternative.
Two places you may have heard of - Dunsfold (Top Gear track) and Longcross Test track have spent many years and significant sums of money submitting plans to develop those sites and nothing has happened. For the landowners, it's a pot of gold if they can do it, but sometimes it's just a pipe dream.
I reckon Mallory will return but if it doesn't, don't blame it on 'nimbys', blame it on the incompetent management, because that is the true cause of this mess.
The Longcross track is near me and plans are progessing for housing on the part on the south side of the M3.
IMO both sides are at fault. MP management for operating outside the 1985 agreement and new NIMBYS who moved into the area knowing there was a track there.
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