VW Golf 7 R -- Chipped -- 0 to 60 in 4 Seconds...
Discussion
zeduffman said:
But some people want the punch without the bone-crushing ride or the eye-watering running costs. An overtaking weapon that can get point-to-point in good time in all weathers, with plenty of useable space, and lots of toys.
People don't buy these cars as weekend cars to light their soul on fire. They are all-in-ones that do a bit of everything.
For many it simply isn't practical to run three separate cars for family, for dirty jobs, and for themselves, so they have to make do.
Yes, that's true and I'm tempted to have one too. However I'll say that the Golf R might be a good all rounder but NOT good through bred performance car. All out performance you cannot compare it with for example an M3.People don't buy these cars as weekend cars to light their soul on fire. They are all-in-ones that do a bit of everything.
For many it simply isn't practical to run three separate cars for family, for dirty jobs, and for themselves, so they have to make do.
Edited by zeduffman on Saturday 2nd August 21:53
Contigo said:
But how many people will even use the total power of a standard Golf R let alone chip it in the real World. I bet there will not even be 1% of them chipped to 4 seconds speeds as most will be on lease anyway and with 5k mile restrictions.
I would if I had one, they aren't that fast to be unusable, 12.4 to 100 as standard is quick but not the rocketship some would have you believe, once its been tuned they all comparisons are pointless as that isn't the product as sold by VW.I for one am a bit of a golf hater of old. Had a MK2 GTI years ago that I had lusted after since a teenager and had one part ex'd against a car I was selling - I hated it!
Having recently gotten one of these as a family car for the wife, I think I can give a semi balanced view.
I think this Golf is bordering on brilliant for what it is (apart from s
t paint and a few cheap bits). They are more than just a numbers car but on that topic I was surprised at how quick they in standard form. VBOX has a launched start at a shade under 4.5 on warm tyres in dry but that's not the mark of a good car as people have said. The power delivery from 2000 rom to 5500 is very good for the engine size so lots of over taking capability for a crappy 4 pot.
Based on the time in one to date no doubt that tuned to stage 2 with 400+ brake or even 370 stage 1 with a dollop more torque they would be a serious weapon for a 5 door 'Golf' hatch and would have or be level pegging with most 3.5 to 4 second 0 to 60 cars from a standing and rolling start up to about 120.
I've been in v12 Vantage (as a passenger) trying to out run a 430 brake 6R that made the v12 vantage look silly. Once we were over taken by it, it left us for dead. But it looked and sounded utterly st compared to the Aston.
Hell I have seen a video of a tuned 6R on a par with a 700 brake Aventador on the 1/4 mile and on a rolling start. But again looked and sounded st in comparison. I know which I would rather be in even it was a bit slower on both occasions.
It's the handling that's surprised me on the new R, the last decent handling car I had was an Evora and know a few hill roads well so have been able to compare against that. On the same roads with TC off on both they are just as fast when pushed to 90% of my talent in the real world. Suspect a driver with more talent could extract allot more from the Evoras brakes and handling that I was brave enough to.
On a track a well set up RWD / proper 'sports car' would have it for sure but on the roads is confidence inspiring. More so with the TC off as I find it connects you with the car a little more, also feels more nimble.
The traction control goes fully off on the R unlike the last Golf I drove (there's also a sport that gives you a bit of slip). The front tends to wash out a bit at the front but it's sure footed up to semi sensible speeds. Over semi sensible speeds you know you are in a 5 door hatch that's for sure.
Ours only has 800 or miles on it and I've only pushed it against 2 cars that are a useful yard stick. Ftype V6 S who lost the traffic light sprint by about 3 cars lengths by the time we hit 70. He was pushing it as hard as he could as we stopped and hand a chat over the fuel pumps. He was adamant the Golf must have been tuned and was most put out to learn it wasn't and had less that 100 miles on clock.
The seconds was am 08 M3 on the B3227 to Tiverton. Result was M3 on the straights pulling out a few car lengths (up to legal limits of course). Corners the Golf was better and having to back off for a squirming M3. Again on a tack the M3 would have it hands down in the hands of capable driver, on the roads in the hands of semi capable drivers the 4WD gives you more confidence so you can push on a bit more.
So in a nut shell not a super car beater in a straight line sprint when standard by any stretch of the imagination (any one who thinks so is a mentalist). Tuned almost certainly would keep up, if not beat in allot of cars that most people would think it had no right to. The handling and mid range grunt is bloody impressive for a 'Golf'. I suspect allot of haters would be quietly impressed if they gave it a go.
Like shagging a ginger, your head tells you no but once you give it some you actually realise it still goes quite well and puts a smile on your face ;-)
Having recently gotten one of these as a family car for the wife, I think I can give a semi balanced view.
I think this Golf is bordering on brilliant for what it is (apart from s
t paint and a few cheap bits). They are more than just a numbers car but on that topic I was surprised at how quick they in standard form. VBOX has a launched start at a shade under 4.5 on warm tyres in dry but that's not the mark of a good car as people have said. The power delivery from 2000 rom to 5500 is very good for the engine size so lots of over taking capability for a crappy 4 pot.Based on the time in one to date no doubt that tuned to stage 2 with 400+ brake or even 370 stage 1 with a dollop more torque they would be a serious weapon for a 5 door 'Golf' hatch and would have or be level pegging with most 3.5 to 4 second 0 to 60 cars from a standing and rolling start up to about 120.
I've been in v12 Vantage (as a passenger) trying to out run a 430 brake 6R that made the v12 vantage look silly. Once we were over taken by it, it left us for dead. But it looked and sounded utterly s
t compared to the Aston.Hell I have seen a video of a tuned 6R on a par with a 700 brake Aventador on the 1/4 mile and on a rolling start. But again looked and sounded s
t in comparison. I know which I would rather be in even it was a bit slower on both occasions.It's the handling that's surprised me on the new R, the last decent handling car I had was an Evora and know a few hill roads well so have been able to compare against that. On the same roads with TC off on both they are just as fast when pushed to 90% of my talent in the real world. Suspect a driver with more talent could extract allot more from the Evoras brakes and handling that I was brave enough to.
On a track a well set up RWD / proper 'sports car' would have it for sure but on the roads is confidence inspiring. More so with the TC off as I find it connects you with the car a little more, also feels more nimble.
The traction control goes fully off on the R unlike the last Golf I drove (there's also a sport that gives you a bit of slip). The front tends to wash out a bit at the front but it's sure footed up to semi sensible speeds. Over semi sensible speeds you know you are in a 5 door hatch that's for sure.
Ours only has 800 or miles on it and I've only pushed it against 2 cars that are a useful yard stick. Ftype V6 S who lost the traffic light sprint by about 3 cars lengths by the time we hit 70. He was pushing it as hard as he could as we stopped and hand a chat over the fuel pumps. He was adamant the Golf must have been tuned and was most put out to learn it wasn't and had less that 100 miles on clock.
The seconds was am 08 M3 on the B3227 to Tiverton. Result was M3 on the straights pulling out a few car lengths (up to legal limits of course). Corners the Golf was better and having to back off for a squirming M3. Again on a tack the M3 would have it hands down in the hands of capable driver, on the roads in the hands of semi capable drivers the 4WD gives you more confidence so you can push on a bit more.
So in a nut shell not a super car beater in a straight line sprint when standard by any stretch of the imagination (any one who thinks so is a mentalist). Tuned almost certainly would keep up, if not beat in allot of cars that most people would think it had no right to. The handling and mid range grunt is bloody impressive for a 'Golf'. I suspect allot of haters would be quietly impressed if they gave it a go.
Like shagging a ginger, your head tells you no but once you give it some you actually realise it still goes quite well and puts a smile on your face ;-)
lamboman100 said:
Good video footage of a VW G7R hunting down a yellow Ferrari 458 at the Ring:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdKku0SY0ek&fe...
Thanks for that. A power bump for the Golf would have made things very interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdKku0SY0ek&fe...
crazy about cars said:
zeduffman said:
But some people want the punch without the bone-crushing ride or the eye-watering running costs. An overtaking weapon that can get point-to-point in good time in all weathers, with plenty of useable space, and lots of toys.
People don't buy these cars as weekend cars to light their soul on fire. They are all-in-ones that do a bit of everything.
For many it simply isn't practical to run three separate cars for family, for dirty jobs, and for themselves, so they have to make do.
Yes, that's true and I'm tempted to have one too. However I'll say that the Golf R might be a good all rounder but NOT good through bred performance car. All out performance you cannot compare it with for example an M3.People don't buy these cars as weekend cars to light their soul on fire. They are all-in-ones that do a bit of everything.
For many it simply isn't practical to run three separate cars for family, for dirty jobs, and for themselves, so they have to make do.
Edited by zeduffman on Saturday 2nd August 21:53
A few hours down the remap shop for a simple, cheap, stage1 tune makes the G7R faster to 60 and faster to 100 than the new M3.
And the Golf R400 next year will crush the M3 and M4 to 60 and 100.
The GTI 1 ushered in the hot-hatch era in 1975. The R 7 has ushered in the super-hatch era in 2013 / 2014.
rb5er said:
lamboman100 said:
The GTI 1 ushered in the hot-hatch era in 1975. The R 7 has ushered in the super-hatch era in 2013 / 2014.
Fanboi perhaps?You hadn`t notice a particularly fast hatchback until this car really?
Everyday shopping trolleys are entering a new era of fast speeds and turbos.
No longer the preserve of six-figure cars or rally geeks.
rb5er said:
Fanboi perhaps?
You hadn`t notice a particularly fast hatchback until this car really?
I’m not a VAG fan by any means but I tend to agree. The remapped Golf 7 R as well as the A45 really upped the game in this category.You hadn`t notice a particularly fast hatchback until this car really?
The cars, Golf in particular, may not feel like an "occasion" or very special/exciting to drive but to get from A to B on the average day of the year which includes copious amounts of snow, ice and rain where I live, I can’t think of many cars that would be significantly faster than these new 350 hp+ AWD hatchbacks.
Would I rather own something like the upcoming M2? Yes, no doubt, but I don’t think it would be faster.
lamboman100 said:
rb5er said:
lamboman100 said:
The GTI 1 ushered in the hot-hatch era in 1975. The R 7 has ushered in the super-hatch era in 2013 / 2014.
Fanboi perhaps?You hadn`t notice a particularly fast hatchback until this car really?
Everyday shopping trolleys are entering a new era of fast speeds and turbos.
No longer the preserve of six-figure cars or rally geeks.
How can you use the term "rally geeks" to justify your own delusion that these cars are not comparable? You also cherry pick figures!
60-100 MK7 Golf R takes 7.7
60-100 MK2 Cupra R takes 7.8
60-100 Mk2 Focus RS 500 takes 6.4 seconds ffs!!
All figures taken from fastestlaps.
It seems that making a hatchback 4wd is revolutionary in your eyes.
scherzkeks said:
lamboman100 said:
Good video footage of a VW G7R hunting down a yellow Ferrari 458 at the Ring:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdKku0SY0ek&fe...
Thanks for that. A power bump for the Golf would have made things very interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdKku0SY0ek&fe...
Edit: just watched from 4 minutes on and its out of site for the rest of the video..
Impressed by the golf as a package, was close to securing one on a PCP before VAG dropped the GFV after lease gate.
Edited by GTID on Sunday 3rd August 15:23
lamboman100 said:
crazy about cars said:
zeduffman said:
But some people want the punch without the bone-crushing ride or the eye-watering running costs. An overtaking weapon that can get point-to-point in good time in all weathers, with plenty of useable space, and lots of toys.
People don't buy these cars as weekend cars to light their soul on fire. They are all-in-ones that do a bit of everything.
For many it simply isn't practical to run three separate cars for family, for dirty jobs, and for themselves, so they have to make do.
Yes, that's true and I'm tempted to have one too. However I'll say that the Golf R might be a good all rounder but NOT good through bred performance car. All out performance you cannot compare it with for example an M3.People don't buy these cars as weekend cars to light their soul on fire. They are all-in-ones that do a bit of everything.
For many it simply isn't practical to run three separate cars for family, for dirty jobs, and for themselves, so they have to make do.
Edited by zeduffman on Saturday 2nd August 21:53
A few hours down the remap shop for a simple, cheap, stage1 tune makes the G7R faster to 60 and faster to 100 than the new M3.
And the Golf R400 next year will crush the M3 and M4 to 60 and 100.
The GTI 1 ushered in the hot-hatch era in 1975. The R 7 has ushered in the super-hatch era in 2013 / 2014.
Once you start modifying cars, you should only compare them to other modified cars that are aiming at the same thing.
This has to be a troll post...
I've heard some moronic posts over the years, but this dude takes it to another level...
I've heard some moronic posts over the years, but this dude takes it to another level...
lamboman100 said:
The G7R is already faster to 60mph than the previous-generation M3s.
A few hours down the remap shop for a simple, cheap, stage1 tune makes the G7R faster to 60 and faster to 100 than the new M3.
And the Golf R400 next year will crush the M3 and M4 to 60 and 100.
The GTI 1 ushered in the hot-hatch era in 1975. The R 7 has ushered in the super-hatch era in 2013 / 2014.
A few hours down the remap shop for a simple, cheap, stage1 tune makes the G7R faster to 60 and faster to 100 than the new M3.
And the Golf R400 next year will crush the M3 and M4 to 60 and 100.
The GTI 1 ushered in the hot-hatch era in 1975. The R 7 has ushered in the super-hatch era in 2013 / 2014.
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