RE: Google's car is go...
Discussion
ManFromDelmonte said:
mybrainhurts said:
ManFromDelmonte said:
mybrainhurts said:
ManFromDelmonte said:
mybrainhurts said:
You're one of those greenfreaks who hate to see people enjoying cars, aren't you?
Hardly, my last three cars were a MkII Golf GTi, a Lotus and a straight-6 BMW, I'm just not a luddite.How very odd...
Unfortunately it is likely that at some point, driving for enjoyment will likely be limited to private roads and race-tracks. Personally I think I could live with this.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT WHEN DRIVER CONTROLLED CARS ARE BANNED?
Hello...?
It would make F1 even more boring if you took the drivers out.
Yes, course they would.
Racing cars and dedicated track cars are not made in large numbers today... but the industry exists and is highly profitable. That market will probably be larger rather than smaller in the future.
Anyway, the existing cars are not going to disappear overnight. There are a *lot* of cars in the world, and if they become obsolete for everyday transport a lot of them will become available to be converted into track slags.
Anyway, the existing cars are not going to disappear overnight. There are a *lot* of cars in the world, and if they become obsolete for everyday transport a lot of them will become available to be converted into track slags.
ManFromDelmonte said:
hairykrishna said:
I think it'll be a very long time before human operable cars are 'banned'. It'll follow the model for airbags, ABS and even seat belts. You won't be able to sell a new car which doesn't drive itself but you'll still be allowed to drive them.
I suppose, were it to happen, a dramatic increase in insurance premiums for drivable (crashable) cars would put them out of reach for most.Edited by ManFromDelmonte on Saturday 31st May 10:34
What I suspect is more likely is that human driven cars will end up getting banned in times and places where they create an impediment to traffic flow.
The most likely position I suspect will be that most classics will be retrofitted with bolt on kits that allow them to self drive.
Edited by Talksteer on Sunday 1st June 11:28
anonymous said:
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Classic cars have controls, those controls can be actuated by a bolt on sensor system. With clever design these systems would be barely visible. No new classic cars will be being created and more rich people will be being created I think in the long term classic cars will go up in value.
cianha said:
So the only way to win is not to play at all? 
You're assuming these cars use artificial intelligence, when they're just scanning and repsonding to the outside world. The Google car is no more intelligent than a Garmin.
TX.
Some of us know exactly what the software is and how it is done and don't need to assume. Or be wildly incorrect.You're assuming these cars use artificial intelligence, when they're just scanning and repsonding to the outside world. The Google car is no more intelligent than a Garmin.
Terminator X said:
TX.
anonymous said:
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The first thing you have said that I completely disagree with.The appeal is in owning an interesting and more importantly, beautiful object. Pretty cars appreciate and average looking don't, with exception to the odd Homologation special.
They would become even more like paintings, a Rembrandt is still a status symbol though you just look at it.
If the only place they can be driven is on a track or private road then I don't think it will diminish the appeal of an A1 classic one little bit.
anonymous said:
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The point I was making is that if fitment of a self driving system is a legal requirement this won't keep existing cars off the road. I will be very surprised if self driving will be a requirement on all roads all the time. Driving a car on the roads is a legitimate and common pass time so I doubt that it won't be accommodated. It's just likely that on roads with high traffic density that manually driven cars may not be allowed as they would are up traffic flow.
andyps said:
Watching that made me look gain at the chassis of the Google Car - have they been talking to GMD? It does look pretty similar to the concept of the iStream car Gordon Murray has been looking at.
I'd say the actual mechanical structure of the google car looks really basic - like a rollcage with a thin skin on top (like a racing car/NASCAR, that sort of thing).The video of the google car shows an exposed tubular rollcage behind the seats, and below the level of the roof. It shows a couple of different spaceframes, neither of them like a Murray car.
Ignore the flowery music on the video and the comfy-looking leather bench seat.
Look at the framework. Look at the wheels. The wheels seem to be small and yet are on 5-stud hubs --why? Is it really heavy? Did they just use an off-the-shelf part to throw this together quickly?
The car is running on Continental tyres - Murray's work has been with Michelin (as a technical partner).
Put simply I don't see Murray's fingerprints on this - it's not refined enough.
It looks like someone has designed a very short nascar rollcage and covered that with a cutesy non-structural body. It looks like a Proof of Concept rather than a prototype. That's fair enough of course, you've got to start somewhere.
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