RE: Secret Road Tax Hits Thousands

[Twincam16]

MitchT said:

I take it that childless people are exempt from the higher taxes then?

Oh no, they get taxed even more for not being a sanctimonious, self-righteous breeder. I mean, the idea of working hard at a job and keeping the money for yourself - oh the humanity!

Apologies to all PH parents for that outburst, it's just that I've come to associate your typical Labour voter with those red-cheeked, scruffy people you see at supermarkets with Renault Scenics and Nissan Notes looking like there's not a shred of their lives or income left over for themselves to enjoy - but they treat this as some kind of badge of pride.

That's the new Labour way. Sierra Man and Moneo Man are no more - they've inadvertantly created C-Max Mum.

[Globulator]

GF350 said:

Labour got a good mauling at the local elections, and shock horror, now they said they actually want to listen to the people they are supposed to be representing.
That will make a nice change.

We don't want higher taxes for cars we already own in case you didn't get it.

Never confuse the words of a desparate LOSER with what they may actually feel!!


Loooozzzzerrrr Brown.
DRUBBING.
Brown, you are now The Loser. LOser. LOOOOZZZZEEEEERRRRRR.

Hmm - a good day today. If anyone see's Ken in the future please shout over a nice deep long word with feeling:
LOSER!!

Ha Ha

[Guybrush]

cornishgirl said:

andy400 said:

cornishgirl said:

andy400 said:

TBH I'm not looking for a lot from the Tories if (when) they take the reins. Never mind wanting them to make things better, I'd be happy if they could just stop things getting worse on a daily basis.........

If you seriously think the Tories, LibDems or anyone else will make life better for the ordinary car-loving driver then I'm afraid you (we) will all be disappointed.

Cars = tax tax tax tax tax tax tax

Hello not-clever person. No I don't seriously think they will make life better, I just want them to stop it getting worse on a daily basis. I'm pretty sure that's what my post says?

Well you will still be disappointed then won't you.

Not necessarily. Remember, it was Labour who removed the conservatives' rolling back period of road tax exemption as soon as they got into power. Remember also it is Labour who have made the country so expensive to run and the budget deficit so bad, that any government will have to work hard to put things straight. Labour will make things worse (the financial situation is their creation in the first place, so they're hardly going to come over all efficient for the first time in history are they?). So we'll have to give the Conservatives time to put things right, just like they had to when they took over from Labour's grey days at the end of the 1970s.

[gavm5]

Can someone clarify just when in March ?
Is it from 1st of march 2001, or 21st march ?

[Broccers]

gavm5 said:

Can someone clarify just when in March ?
Is it from 1st of march 2001, or 21st march ?

1/3/2001

[cornishgirl]

Guybrush said:

cornishgirl said:

andy400 said:

cornishgirl said:

andy400 said:

TBH I'm not looking for a lot from the Tories if (when) they take the reins. Never mind wanting them to make things better, I'd be happy if they could just stop things getting worse on a daily basis.........

If you seriously think the Tories, LibDems or anyone else will make life better for the ordinary car-loving driver then I'm afraid you (we) will all be disappointed.

Cars = tax tax tax tax tax tax tax

Hello not-clever person. No I don't seriously think they will make life better, I just want them to stop it getting worse on a daily basis. I'm pretty sure that's what my post says?

Well you will still be disappointed then won't you.

Not necessarily. Remember, it was Labour who removed the conservatives' rolling back period of road tax exemption as soon as they got into power. Remember also it is Labour who have made the country so expensive to run and the budget deficit so bad, that any government will have to work hard to put things straight. Labour will make things worse (the financial situation is their creation in the first place, so they're hardly going to come over all efficient for the first time in history are they?). So we'll have to give the Conservatives time to put things right, just like they had to when they took over from Labour's grey days at the end of the 1970s.

And Labour had to spend 10 years trying to rectify 18 years of Tory destruction of the country (and I mean the rest of the UK outside the pampered enclave of the south east). They failed as we all know but do not think the country will be a paradise on earth just because Weenie Cameron gets in. Which he will.

[Guybrush]

cornishgirl said:

Guybrush said:

cornishgirl said:

andy400 said:

cornishgirl said:

andy400 said:

TBH I'm not looking for a lot from the Tories if (when) they take the reins. Never mind wanting them to make things better, I'd be happy if they could just stop things getting worse on a daily basis.........

If you seriously think the Tories, LibDems or anyone else will make life better for the ordinary car-loving driver then I'm afraid you (we) will all be disappointed.

Cars = tax tax tax tax tax tax tax

Hello not-clever person. No I don't seriously think they will make life better, I just want them to stop it getting worse on a daily basis. I'm pretty sure that's what my post says?

Well you will still be disappointed then won't you.

Not necessarily. Remember, it was Labour who removed the conservatives' rolling back period of road tax exemption as soon as they got into power. Remember also it is Labour who have made the country so expensive to run and the budget deficit so bad, that any government will have to work hard to put things straight. Labour will make things worse (the financial situation is their creation in the first place, so they're hardly going to come over all efficient for the first time in history are they?). So we'll have to give the Conservatives time to put things right, just like they had to when they took over from Labour's grey days at the end of the 1970s.

And Labour had to spend 10 years trying to rectify 18 years of Tory destruction of the country (and I mean the rest of the UK outside the pampered enclave of the south east). They failed as we all know but do not think the country will be a paradise on earth just because Weenie Cameron gets in. Which he will.

WTF are you talking about? I think you don't know. (Incidentally, the "pampered" south east is in the main propping up the country, from council tax to tax revenues generally - check the facts. Also, I don't think Labour's completely reversing the good state of the economy for the last 10 years since 1997 can be construed as "rectifying" what the Tories did - well not in a good way anyway.

[Jasandjules]

cornishgirl said:

And Labour had to spend 10 years trying to crucify 18 years of Tory re-construction of the country

EFA.

And it will take more than 10 years for the Tories to rectify this next lot as well, some of those PFI deals are going to be long term off balance sheet debts, unless they can be bought out of, and that won't be cheap either.

I just can't believe the labour party thought that by hitting cars hardest they'd win votes - they don't realise most people have cars and need them to get to work, they don't use them for the entertainment value..I know, make them pay £300 to get to work (or even have the car simply sat there not moving), then charge them to park outside their work, and their homes, then charge them 65% tax on their fuel. People will like that, they don't want the personal freedom a car offers really...

Edited by Jasandjules on Saturday 3rd May 07:52

[thunderbelmont]

I was going to replace Mrs Thunderbelmont's Zafira with something newer, probably an A4 inestate, but now I'm not too sure. Perhaps it can live another few years more. Though doing only 30mpg isn't great, and a decent 40+mpg A4 weasel inestate may save enough to compensate... dunno. Unless I can find a Mk1 Escort Estate.....

My delapidating 1998 Omega MV6 estate sports 216000 miles, and the motor is getting sadder by the month. Rather than change it for that Holden Crewman SS that I'd had my eye on, perhaps I'll refurbish it and fit a LS6 for a similar effect.

Seriously though, the difference £185 a year, or £400 odd a year, it's sod all, not even a £1 a day. Especially when you compare it to the increase in guzzoline prices.

OK, it's more bloody tax for a bunch of pinko-fad wallet leeching bds hell bent on giving us "old labour" through the side door.

Let's see what Doris does to London and the LEZ and CCZ charges.

Why should I pay to visit the capital of my beloved country to see my monarch.

[Jasandjules]

£30 a month extra to find is a LOT of money to some people to pay for a car tax. As you say, on top of rip-off fuel taxes (prices) and car parking charges etc.. it's becoming almost more economical to not work at all than pay to get to work.

[cornishgirl]

Guybrush said:

cornishgirl said:

Guybrush said:

Not necessarily. Remember, it was Labour who removed the conservatives' rolling back period of road tax exemption as soon as they got into power. Remember also it is Labour who have made the country so expensive to run and the budget deficit so bad, that any government will have to work hard to put things straight. Labour will make things worse (the financial situation is their creation in the first place, so they're hardly going to come over all efficient for the first time in history are they?). So we'll have to give the Conservatives time to put things right, just like they had to when they took over from Labour's grey days at the end of the 1970s.

And Labour had to spend 10 years trying to rectify 18 years of Tory destruction of the country (and I mean the rest of the UK outside the pampered enclave of the south east). They failed as we all know but do not think the country will be a paradise on earth just because Weenie Cameron gets in. Which he will.

WTF are you talking about? I think you don't know. (Incidentally, the "pampered" south east is in the main propping up the country, from council tax to tax revenues generally - check the facts. Also, I don't think Labour's completely reversing the good state of the economy for the last 10 years since 1997 can be construed as "rectifying" what the Tories did - well not in a good way anyway.

I thought that would provoke a response....

I think I do know. The 'pampered' south east does not 'prop up' the rest of the UK, quite the reverse.

The good state of the economy? In 1997? After the IMF humiliation and 15% inflation and raging negative equity and .... oh well, it all only affected the 90% of us who live outside ROSEland so that doesn't count I suppose.

And the Tories crucified industry and sold off our utilities to their friends in the private sector. But that doesn't matter either because most of those who gained live - guess where?

And... well done Boris because, although I don't live in or like London I think the capital should have a charismatic personality as mayor, not someone like Mr Livingstone.

[Globulator]

cornishgirl said:

And the Tories crucified industry and sold off our utilities to their friends in the private sector. But that doesn't matter either because most of those who gained live - guess where?

Then why did the labourites push PFI so hard and carry on privatising everything else that was/wasn't bolted down?

For instance, after 10 years of labour we still have trains, tracks and carraiges owned and controlled by three different private companies. Given the number of crashes that seems to not be just inefficient but fatal for many too.

[esselte]

cornishgirl said:

And the Tories crucified industry

I think the unions had some part in this....

[esselte]

cornishgirl said:

And the Tories sold off our utilities to their friends in the private sector.

Most were probably bought by pension funds...you remember those,it's what most of us had before Greedy Gordo got his mitts on them.....

Edited by esselte on Sunday 4th May 10:31

[GF350]

cornishgirl said:

Guybrush said:

cornishgirl said:

Guybrush said:

Not necessarily. Remember, it was Labour who removed the conservatives' rolling back period of road tax exemption as soon as they got into power. Remember also it is Labour who have made the country so expensive to run and the budget deficit so bad, that any government will have to work hard to put things straight. Labour will make things worse (the financial situation is their creation in the first place, so they're hardly going to come over all efficient for the first time in history are they?). So we'll have to give the Conservatives time to put things right, just like they had to when they took over from Labour's grey days at the end of the 1970s.

And Labour had to spend 10 years trying to rectify 18 years of Tory destruction of the country (and I mean the rest of the UK outside the pampered enclave of the south east). They failed as we all know but do not think the country will be a paradise on earth just because Weenie Cameron gets in. Which he will.

WTF are you talking about? I think you don't know. (Incidentally, the "pampered" south east is in the main propping up the country, from council tax to tax revenues generally - check the facts. Also, I don't think Labour's completely reversing the good state of the economy for the last 10 years since 1997 can be construed as "rectifying" what the Tories did - well not in a good way anyway.

I thought that would provoke a response....

I think I do know. The 'pampered' south east does not 'prop up' the rest of the UK, quite the reverse.

The good state of the economy? In 1997? After the IMF humiliation and 15% inflation and raging negative equity and .... oh well, it all only affected the 90% of us who live outside ROSEland so that doesn't count I suppose.

And the Tories crucified industry and sold off our utilities to their friends in the private sector. But that doesn't matter either because most of those who gained live - guess where?

And... well done Boris because, although I don't live in or like London I think the capital should have a charismatic personality as mayor, not someone like Mr Livingstone.

Well there was a global resession then to be fair. These things tend to go in cycles and we are heading there again now. The inflation figures the government publish have been messed around with to make them look better, they don't include fuel, house price increases etc and you might as well pull a figure out of the air.
Food prices are rising, fuel prices are rising, the government has spent much trying to artificially prop up the housing markets by encouraging shared purchase / rent schemes.
The economy is in a right mess with huge buget deficits, if the country was a person it would be like having a million pound credit card balance.
Labour are rubbish at running things, they have wasted billions on failed comuter projects, this insistance in messing around with all aspects of our lives which cost huge amounts of money, the police and other organisations are spending most of their time with paperwork and targets.
The only reason we are not in more of a mess is because everything we buy in this country now comes from China and the like where men, women and children work in awful conditions for vertually nothing.
I honestly think we do need a Conservative government for a bit to sort out the huge over spending and get the tax burden down a bit, which they historically have tended to do. Of course there will be downsides to this but if the Torys can spend less money more efficiently then it will be better for everyone.
Its very easy to keep spending money, the problem is paying for it and the country can't carry on spending this much more than it's generating in taxes for much longer as it just gets worse and worse, there are increasing interest payments all the time.
I realise there is no easy solution to the mess we are in but I believe the Torys would return us to a 'smaller government' and would stop wasting so much of our taxes so I would go that way.
Thats what they have tended to do in the past and I hope thats what they would do again.
As for Boris, I think he will be good for London, Ken had been in for too long and had started to loose the plot a bit, deciding that he didn't need to listen to anyone.
We have seen this power crazed thing happen before with Blair and Thatcher, the US system of two terms only is a good idea.

[GF350]

While he is in listening mode we should all email Gordon Brown about the car tax rises.
I have and the link is here if anyone else wants to:

http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page821.asp

[jmelhuish]

Hi, What websites do I have to look at to find out if I am included in this Government farce?

Also, am I right it saying that more energy is used making a car than it will use in its lifetime, also will emit more CO2?

[minimoog]

jmelhuish said:

Hi, What websites do I have to look at to find out if I am included in this Government farce?

The details are on page 122 of this document:

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/2/5/bud08_chap...

[red rider]

RebelRed said:

Just trying to make all you petrolheads feel a little better. Remember the stories you were told about how you should "cheer up, there's always someone worse off than you".

Well your buddies over here to the west of you should make you all feel a little better when you have to fork out for your new road tax levy. Now it doesn't affect used cars (yet) but here in Ireland, from July, if you buy a car emitting over 225 gm/k you will be forking out €2,000 (£1,565) for your road tax.

Used cars are still based on engine size so even if you have anything over 3.0 litres you still need to stump up €1,491 (£1,167).... even if you have a 1981 Jag XJ 3.4, you would need to pay over £1,100 to drive it on the road.

So cheer up boys and girls, you don't have it so bad after all!

P.S. If you think our road tax is bad, you should see the price of our cars.

New RENAULTSport Clio CUP.
UK Price: £15,015. IRISH Price: £25,030

Well thats in Ireland mate and this is England.

[andytmyster]

This ruling is going to cause a massive stir in the car manufacturing industry as people in the uk will stop buying new cars (or it will decrease). Just watch the goverment get pounded by the MDs of all the major companies. Plus all the dealerships in the country will be kicking off because they cant sell newish cars!!!

But like anything else the goverment wont care anyway so its a s*+t fight really,

V for Vendetta??? lol