Return of the hot rod?
Discussion
300bhp/ton said:
Yeah with regards to the Milner coupe, visually I'd want it similar. But very different under the body.
As Streetrod keeps saying, you can't do that. It simply won't look anything like it as you'll see all the modern running gear, it's not hidden underneath at all, and it won't ever sit anything like a trad built rod.By all means build it how you want, no ones saying you can't, but I think you need to stop thinking you can build a Milner style 32 with modern running gear.
By all means build a 32 5w coupe with modern running gear and paint it yellow, but that literally is where any similarity will end.
300bhp/ton said:
I'd want fenders, and I'd probably run a removable hood/bonnet.
Do you mean full fenders and boards...?As this is the only way to build a 32 and 'hide' IRS running gear. But again, this won't look anything like a Milner car.
Edited by aeropilot on Friday 17th August 11:49
300bhp/ton said:
I've not bought any for years. What mags are still going in the UK these days or would I be better to get hold of some US mags?
No UK mags as such. Buy USA ones.Contact these people.
http://www.americanautomags.com/
Like this for the fenders:
From such an angle as above I'd have though an IRS '32 wouldn't look hugely different. In the pic you can't see any of the suspension rear axle (I know you can from behind, but I don't feel it's the most visually striking part of the design or car).
That said, I'd be happy for it to be not exact and I'd much prefer it was partly my own creation. The Milner coupe is just the starting point and the inspiration rather than wanting to create a high fidelity replica of it.
From such an angle as above I'd have though an IRS '32 wouldn't look hugely different. In the pic you can't see any of the suspension rear axle (I know you can from behind, but I don't feel it's the most visually striking part of the design or car).
That said, I'd be happy for it to be not exact and I'd much prefer it was partly my own creation. The Milner coupe is just the starting point and the inspiration rather than wanting to create a high fidelity replica of it.
safehandsgk1 said:
There's always something incredibly nostalgic about oggling a 'hot-rod'. I've been intrigued with them since my first viewing of American Graffiti.
Any idea if there's a reputable dealer and what type of cost you are looking at? It'd have to be an original though... even if the Chrysler Prowler offers a modern alternative. That said, can anyone give a decent view on the Prowler? Gimmick or decent motor?
Rods'n'Sods is a good site for what's about for sale.Any idea if there's a reputable dealer and what type of cost you are looking at? It'd have to be an original though... even if the Chrysler Prowler offers a modern alternative. That said, can anyone give a decent view on the Prowler? Gimmick or decent motor?
aeropilot said:
300bhp/ton said:
Yeah with regards to the Milner coupe, visually I'd want it similar. But very different under the body.
As Streetrod keeps saying, you can't do that. It simply won't look anything like it as you'll see all the modern running gear, it's not hidden underneath at all, and it won't ever sit anything like a trad built rod.For 300bhp/ton
These are the front ends on mine. First traditional 'I' beam...
then modern IFS...No more details other than that; I bought it from the guy who bought it from the builder. I'll call him when I find his number and see what parts of it were donated from
Both have their place. I prefer the purity of the IFS, but it wouldn't look right on a traditional rod, which is what the first one will be when re-built.
These are the front ends on mine. First traditional 'I' beam...
then modern IFS...No more details other than that; I bought it from the guy who bought it from the builder. I'll call him when I find his number and see what parts of it were donated from
Both have their place. I prefer the purity of the IFS, but it wouldn't look right on a traditional rod, which is what the first one will be when re-built.
AdeTuono said:
For 300bhp/ton
These are the front ends on mine. First traditional 'I' beam...
then modern IFS...No more details other than that; I bought it from the guy who bought it from the builder. I'll call him when I find his number and see what parts of it were donated from
Both have their place. I prefer the purity of the IFS, but it wouldn't look right on a traditional rod, which is what the first one will be when re-built.
Thanks for the pics, that's brilliant. I think for what I want a double wishbone IFS setup would be much the preference.These are the front ends on mine. First traditional 'I' beam...
then modern IFS...No more details other than that; I bought it from the guy who bought it from the builder. I'll call him when I find his number and see what parts of it were donated from
Both have their place. I prefer the purity of the IFS, but it wouldn't look right on a traditional rod, which is what the first one will be when re-built.
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Friday 17th August 14:50
300bhp/ton said:
Streetrod said:
But my point is you cant build a Milner Styled car with modern running gear, by definition it wont be a Milner styled car. Using the suspension and engine set up you suggest will produce a very different look, the only thing likely to be similar will be the body style, can you not see that???
And if that's all I want?TBH I don't really understand what your issue is. Surely you would build/buy a rod how you want it, not how someone tells you it has to be?
Personally I'm not keen on huge alloys, so would run more 'period' fatter tyres and smaller rims. I think the overall shape of the car could be achieved, so the only really differences would be if you crawled under and maybe some of the visible front suspension. But to most people they'd not know anyhow.
I know the engine looks different, but I could quite happily live with that. And as said, on a new build I don't see how you'd get something with no silencers, cats or even and entire exhaust system though an IVA. So I suspect it's legally not possible to build a true Milner coupe for use in the UK even if you wanted too.
, I am going to try again because I'm not sure if you are being deliberately argumentative just for the sake of it or you just don’t get it.You can build whatever car you like, the hotrodding hobby has so many variations on a theme it’s not even worth trying to count them. But if you state you want a "Milner" style car then that implies it will look like the Milner car, i.e. similar suspension, engine and body mods. If you then go and throw an IRS and IFS at it, an LS engine, full fenders a hood and side panels then it becomes something very different and can no longer be described as Milner style, it is now your style. And that is the point I am trying to make.
So please go ahead and build the car you want, there can never be too many 32's. But do yourself a favour, if you do build this car the way you say you want too, don’t ever turn up at a meet or show and tell other rodders you built a Milner style car, because fellow Rodders laughing at you will be somewhat embarrassing. And it’s not because they are being precious or snobby, it’s just because like you, they grew up with that car, and it inspired many to get into Hotrods in the first place, so they "really" know what a Milner style car should look like, and it won’t be yours.
I am not trying to have a go at you personally, but just be aware that some of your statements just make you sound daft.
As for being able to build a Milner car today, it has been done on a number of occasions in this country, one relatively recently if I recall correctly. Rodders by their very nature tend to be a resourceful bunch and tend to get what they want, legally
Streetrod said:
Right 300 , I am going to try again because I'm not sure if you are being deliberately argumentative just for the sake of it or you just don’t get it.
You can build whatever car you like, the hotrodding hobby has so many variations on a theme it’s not even worth trying to count them. But if you state you want a "Milner" style car then that implies it will look like the Milner car, i.e. similar suspension, engine and body mods. If you then go and throw an IRS and IFS at it, an LS engine, full fenders a hood and side panels then it becomes something very different and can no longer be described as Milner style, it is now your style. And that is the point I am trying to make.
So please go ahead and build the car you want, there can never be too many 32's. But do yourself a favour, if you do build this car the way you say you want too, don’t ever turn up at a meet or show and tell other rodders you built a Milner style car, because fellow Rodders laughing at you will be somewhat embarrassing. And it’s not because they are being precious or snobby, it’s just because like you, they grew up with that car, and it inspired many to get into Hotrods in the first place, so they "really" know what a Milner style car should look like, and it won’t be yours.
I am not trying to have a go at you personally, but just be aware that some of your statements just make you sound daft.
I think you are confusing the word "style" with the word "replica". Either that or your are indeed being far too precious about it., I am going to try again because I'm not sure if you are being deliberately argumentative just for the sake of it or you just don’t get it.You can build whatever car you like, the hotrodding hobby has so many variations on a theme it’s not even worth trying to count them. But if you state you want a "Milner" style car then that implies it will look like the Milner car, i.e. similar suspension, engine and body mods. If you then go and throw an IRS and IFS at it, an LS engine, full fenders a hood and side panels then it becomes something very different and can no longer be described as Milner style, it is now your style. And that is the point I am trying to make.
So please go ahead and build the car you want, there can never be too many 32's. But do yourself a favour, if you do build this car the way you say you want too, don’t ever turn up at a meet or show and tell other rodders you built a Milner style car, because fellow Rodders laughing at you will be somewhat embarrassing. And it’s not because they are being precious or snobby, it’s just because like you, they grew up with that car, and it inspired many to get into Hotrods in the first place, so they "really" know what a Milner style car should look like, and it won’t be yours.
I am not trying to have a go at you personally, but just be aware that some of your statements just make you sound daft.
Streetrod said:
As for being able to build a Milner car today, it has been done on a number of occasions in this country, one relatively recently if I recall correctly. Rodders by their very nature tend to be a resourceful bunch and tend to get what they want, legally
Would you care to explain how they either got through an IVA or avoided it legally? Or least didn't significantly alter the car after an IVA. Serious question not just asking for the sake of it.Having read up on the SVA/IVA regs and kit cars and other modified cars I do not see a true LEGAL way of building one in the UK bar:
-buying an already existing '32 rod that is not documented to it's exact construction. That way you could alter it without anything official needing changing. Legality could still be sketchy though.
-lucky enough to own a genuine 32 with V5 that already had a V8 fitted. If you kept the changes to a minimum and didn't alter the chassis then you might get it through without. Although I'm suspect some chassis alterations might be needed
-Buying/building one outside the EU and importing as a car over 'xx' years (is it 15 or 25??) so that it doesn't require an IVA/SVA, just registering
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Friday 17th August 15:01
300bhp/ton said:
Streetrod said:
Right 300 , I am going to try again because I'm not sure if you are being deliberately argumentative just for the sake of it or you just don’t get it.
You can build whatever car you like, the hotrodding hobby has so many variations on a theme it’s not even worth trying to count them. But if you state you want a "Milner" style car then that implies it will look like the Milner car, i.e. similar suspension, engine and body mods. If you then go and throw an IRS and IFS at it, an LS engine, full fenders a hood and side panels then it becomes something very different and can no longer be described as Milner style, it is now your style. And that is the point I am trying to make.
So please go ahead and build the car you want, there can never be too many 32's. But do yourself a favour, if you do build this car the way you say you want too, don’t ever turn up at a meet or show and tell other rodders you built a Milner style car, because fellow Rodders laughing at you will be somewhat embarrassing. And it’s not because they are being precious or snobby, it’s just because like you, they grew up with that car, and it inspired many to get into Hotrods in the first place, so they "really" know what a Milner style car should look like, and it won’t be yours.
I am not trying to have a go at you personally, but just be aware that some of your statements just make you sound daft.
I think you are confusing the word "style" with the word "replica". Either that or your are indeed being far too precious about it., I am going to try again because I'm not sure if you are being deliberately argumentative just for the sake of it or you just don’t get it.You can build whatever car you like, the hotrodding hobby has so many variations on a theme it’s not even worth trying to count them. But if you state you want a "Milner" style car then that implies it will look like the Milner car, i.e. similar suspension, engine and body mods. If you then go and throw an IRS and IFS at it, an LS engine, full fenders a hood and side panels then it becomes something very different and can no longer be described as Milner style, it is now your style. And that is the point I am trying to make.
So please go ahead and build the car you want, there can never be too many 32's. But do yourself a favour, if you do build this car the way you say you want too, don’t ever turn up at a meet or show and tell other rodders you built a Milner style car, because fellow Rodders laughing at you will be somewhat embarrassing. And it’s not because they are being precious or snobby, it’s just because like you, they grew up with that car, and it inspired many to get into Hotrods in the first place, so they "really" know what a Milner style car should look like, and it won’t be yours.
I am not trying to have a go at you personally, but just be aware that some of your statements just make you sound daft.
Streetrod said:
As for being able to build a Milner car today, it has been done on a number of occasions in this country, one relatively recently if I recall correctly. Rodders by their very nature tend to be a resourceful bunch and tend to get what they want, legally
Would you care to explain how they either got through an IVA or avoided it legally? Or least didn't significantly alter the car after an IVA. Serious question not just asking for the sake of it.Having read up on the SVA/IVA regs and kit cars and other modified cars I do not see a true LEGAL way of building one in the UK bar:
-buying an already existing '32 rod that is not documented to it's exact construction. That way you could alter it without anything official needing changing. Legality could still be sketchy though.
-lucky enough to own a genuine 32 with V5 that already had a V8 fitted. If you kept the changes to a minimum and didn't alter the chassis then you might get it through without. Although I'm suspect some chassis alterations might be needed
-Buying/building one outside the EU and importing as a car over 'xx' years (is it 15 or 25??) so that it doesn't require an IVA/SVA, just registering
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Friday 17th August 15:01
I can see now why someone started a thread just about you and the way you conduct yourself on these forums. And too think I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I can now understand why someone took the time to out you.
As for how to build the car, go find out yourself, if others have done it I'm sure your can figure it out
Streetrod said:
That's it, I give up, go build what every the hell you like, I really don’t care anymore.
I can see now why someone started a thread just about you and the way you conduct yourself on these forums. And too think I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I can now understand why someone took the time to out you.
As for how to build the car, go find out yourself, if others have done it I'm sure your can figure it out
Eh?I can see now why someone started a thread just about you and the way you conduct yourself on these forums. And too think I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I can now understand why someone took the time to out you.
As for how to build the car, go find out yourself, if others have done it I'm sure your can figure it out
Why are you getting upset because I'm not wanting to build a full on replica, despite not saying so.
And do you not want to answer the bit about IVA's? Seems quite an odd approach given a reasonable question. Simply how to they make them legal?
300bhp/ton said:
That said, I'd be happy for it to be not exact and I'd much prefer it was partly my own creation. The Milner coupe is just the starting point and the inspiration rather than wanting to create a high fidelity replica of it.[/img]
So basically you just want a 32 5 window with modern running gear. 
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