A clown takes a pratfall
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GravelMachineGun said:
Welshbeef said:
Why doesn't he have those plastic add ons which make the bike wider it will force cars to give him more room problem solved or they damage their cars passing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythed_chariot ? 
I've never actually encountered these plastic add ons but they sound like something that's just going to get caught up in anything overtaking and drag the cyclist under it.
Mave said:
Ghibli said:
Mave said:
The overtake started at 10s while he was still adjacent to the last car on the left. Mr 405 wasn't patient enough to give him time to pull over.
On mine 11 seconds starts with the 405 just past the White Merc, at 12 seconds the car is still overtaking and they are about 2 metres past the silver VW At about 10.5s the front of the 405 is level with the front of the golf and the back of the cyclist. That's about the earliest there is any possible gap on the left for the cyclist. At 11 seconds the 405 is clearly alongside the cyclist. 2m past the golf at 12s? At a cruising 20mpg, 2m is only about a fifth of a second.
So the cyclist has had less than half a second to get out of the way of the motorist who is overtaking no matter what. So who is more in the wrong - the cyclist who hasn't moved over within half a second of the gap on the left? Or the motorist who has performed a close overtake without even easing off to give the cyclist chance to get into the space on the left?
Edited by Mave on Monday 3rd August 23:10
Ghibli said:
Mave said:
Ghibli said:
Mave said:
The overtake started at 10s while he was still adjacent to the last car on the left. Mr 405 wasn't patient enough to give him time to pull over.
On mine 11 seconds starts with the 405 just past the White Merc, at 12 seconds the car is still overtaking and they are about 2 metres past the silver VW At about 10.5s the front of the 405 is level with the front of the golf and the back of the cyclist. That's about the earliest there is any possible gap on the left for the cyclist. At 11 seconds the 405 is clearly alongside the cyclist. 2m past the golf at 12s? At a cruising 20mpg, 2m is only about a fifth of a second.
So the cyclist has had less than half a second to get out of the way of the motorist who is overtaking no matter what. So who is more in the wrong - the cyclist who hasn't moved over within half a second of the gap on the left? Or the motorist who has performed a close overtake without even easing off to give the cyclist chance to get into the space on the left?
Edited by Mave on Monday 3rd August 23:10
k as to whether the cyclist was going to move over or not, as he was going through anyway. Yet another impatient motorist who has time to stop and argue the odds though. Uphillgardenercyclist = tt, car driver = impatient ahole who is too fat to run.Ghibli said:
Mave said:
Ghibli said:
Mave said:
The overtake started at 10s while he was still adjacent to the last car on the left. Mr 405 wasn't patient enough to give him time to pull over.
On mine 11 seconds starts with the 405 just past the White Merc, at 12 seconds the car is still overtaking and they are about 2 metres past the silver VW At about 10.5s the front of the 405 is level with the front of the golf and the back of the cyclist. That's about the earliest there is any possible gap on the left for the cyclist. At 11 seconds the 405 is clearly alongside the cyclist. 2m past the golf at 12s? At a cruising 20mpg, 2m is only about a fifth of a second.
So the cyclist has had less than half a second to get out of the way of the motorist who is overtaking no matter what. So who is more in the wrong - the cyclist who hasn't moved over within half a second of the gap on the left? Or the motorist who has performed a close overtake without even easing off to give the cyclist chance to get into the space on the left?
Edited by Mave on Monday 3rd August 23:10
So who is more in the wrong - the cyclist who hasn't moved over within half a second of the gap on the left? Or the motorist who has performed a close overtake less than half a second after the cyclist cleared the last car?
Mave said:
It doesnt matter. The motorist didn't wait for that option to play itself out. You can't hold somebody up to criticism for not doing something they haven't been given the opportunity to do.
So who is more in the wrong - the cyclist who hasn't moved over within half a second of the gap on the left? Or the motorist who has performed a close overtake less than half a second after the cyclist cleared the last car?
If the cyclist thinks there is more risk of a parked car door opening than a car he can hear approaching from behind, then that's his choice.So who is more in the wrong - the cyclist who hasn't moved over within half a second of the gap on the left? Or the motorist who has performed a close overtake less than half a second after the cyclist cleared the last car?
Perhaps he should have a plastic reflector sticking out the side of his bike ?
Ghibli said:
If the cyclist thinks there is more risk of a parked car door opening than a car he can hear approaching from behind, then that's his choice.
Yes it is his choice. But it's you that's implying he was being obstructive and should have moved over to the left into a gap that didn't yet existGhibli said:
It's also the cyclists responsibility to be aware of cars approaching from behind, assuming he can hear them? if it's a narrow road and there is room why not give more room and not end up with these problems ?
It isn't a narrow road at all. It's a road where oncoming traffic could pass by each other easily, whilst possibly even allowing for a cycle lane on each side of the road as well as the pavements for pedestrians.But guess what? It's chock full of parked cars, causing an obstruction. And the poor old solitary cyclist is expected to give even more room over to cars, and woe betide him if he doesn't.
I don't think that as car drivers we get a fraction of the opprobrium that should come our way at all, I really don't. Many of our number behave absolutely appallingly, and as threads like these show, get full support from fellow drivers.
We're our own worst enemy, we really are.
Mr2Mike said:
I amazes me that people think they can go around being abusive to other road users with impunity because they have a camera mounted on their stupid head.
I don't have any problem with a cyclist saying "you're too close" with impunity. I struggle to see how it could be any other way, tbh.I do have a problem with drivers like that behaving like that, with impunity. He's barely in more control than a drunk driver.
Gaz. said:
Look, they are both a pair of pricks, one seemingly has learned a hard lesson from TVP & the tarmac, and the other will eventually make the papers when a dying man is found in the streets around Reading. Arguing the minutiae of the overtake and who is more to blame is just a waste of energy compared to what happened afterwards.
Yep, they're both a pair of pricks.But if it's worth people's energy to dream up a scenario where the cyclist goaded the motorist into a dodgy overtake then it's also worth pointing out that actually, up until the moment he gave chase, the cyclist did nothing wrong.
Anyone who thinks the motorist did nothing wrong, that there was enough room, or it was the cyclists fault for not pulling over earlier needs to have as bit of a think about their driving.
Mave said:
Yep, they're both a pair of pricks.
But if it's worth people's energy to dream up a scenario where the cyclist goaded the motorist into a dodgy overtake then it's also worth pointing out that actually, up until the moment he gave chase, the cyclist did nothing wrong.
Anyone who thinks the motorist did nothing wrong, that there was enough room, or it was the cyclists fault for not pulling over earlier needs to have as bit of a think about their driving.
I agree. I'm no angel but there is no chance whatsoever I would overtake a cyclist like that. Is anyone saying differently?But if it's worth people's energy to dream up a scenario where the cyclist goaded the motorist into a dodgy overtake then it's also worth pointing out that actually, up until the moment he gave chase, the cyclist did nothing wrong.
Anyone who thinks the motorist did nothing wrong, that there was enough room, or it was the cyclists fault for not pulling over earlier needs to have as bit of a think about their driving.
DonkeyApple said:
Big conundrum, do you let your son think you just got bh slapped by a mincer on a pushbike or tell him you're such a malcolm you smashed yourself up. 
I had to look that up:h slapped by a mincer on a pushbike or tell him you're such a malcolm you smashed yourself up. Malcolm
Nothing to do with the name, but modern English slang for a WOSP. Reputed to be a remnant belonging to a failed branch of evolution, malcolms are usually, but not exclusively, male. Having no social skills, they are inept and uncoordinated.
It is hoped that the British Government will authorise a malcolm cull in much the same way as they did for badgers, as a malcolm is less use than a badger's arse.
He has hundreds of videos on his channel. So he's either the unluckiest biker in the world, or a tt baiting people into conflict for his channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/uphillfreewheeler/vid...
That's 215 videos in 2 years. Even if he biked every single day, that's two people a week that 'try to kill him'. Yet still no one has succeeded...
What people seem to be missing is that the guy suffers from serious road rage and the camera is enabling him. His whole attitude, if you put it into a car would be of a serial road rager, His security blanket are the cameras and he's careful to poke people just enough to keep himself on the correct side of the law. But that doesn't change the fact that after the initial incident, it's him that always escalates.
Normal people accept that there are tossers on the road everywhere. Regardless of what they're piloting. We all come across them. We all have a swear and a flash. But we don't chase them down, we don't pull them into a argument (EVERYONE on the road thinks they're right, so you're ALWAYS going to get an argument) looking for conflict to boost the popularity of his channel. It's feeding his ego, it's egging him on to do this more and more. He's going to eventually come across a proper psycho and end up in hospital. It's only a matter of time. But if you go out looking for it, eventually you'll find it.
t baiting people into conflict for his channel.https://www.youtube.com/user/uphillfreewheeler/vid...
That's 215 videos in 2 years. Even if he biked every single day, that's two people a week that 'try to kill him'. Yet still no one has succeeded...
What people seem to be missing is that the guy suffers from serious road rage and the camera is enabling him. His whole attitude, if you put it into a car would be of a serial road rager, His security blanket are the cameras and he's careful to poke people just enough to keep himself on the correct side of the law. But that doesn't change the fact that after the initial incident, it's him that always escalates.
Normal people accept that there are tossers on the road everywhere. Regardless of what they're piloting. We all come across them. We all have a swear and a flash. But we don't chase them down, we don't pull them into a argument (EVERYONE on the road thinks they're right, so you're ALWAYS going to get an argument) looking for conflict to boost the popularity of his channel. It's feeding his ego, it's egging him on to do this more and more. He's going to eventually come across a proper psycho and end up in hospital. It's only a matter of time. But if you go out looking for it, eventually you'll find it.
heebeegeetee said:
I agree. I'm no angel but there is no chance whatsoever I would overtake a cyclist like that. Is anyone saying differently?
No. The usual cretins are suggesting that the cyclist should have known there was an impatient tt behind him and pulled over and stopped in the gap between cars because that's the right thing to do for more important vehicles.If the cyclist showed the slightest courtesy he would be dismounting onto the pavement as soon as he hears any sort of engine behind him because CARS HAVE PRIORITY.
Or he should have completely ignored the significant danger of a dooring and left the car more space to overtake because that overtake is MORE IMPORTANT THAT HIS SAFETY.
The idea of waiting for a wider bit of road or a complete end to the row of parked cars before attempting an overtake isn't the sort of courtesy necessary for someone doing something more important than cycling - namely, driving.
juansolo said:
He has hundreds of videos on his channel. So he's either the unluckiest biker in the world, or a tt baiting people into conflict for his channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/uphillfreewheeler/vid...
That's 215 videos in 2 years. Even if he biked every single day, that's two people a week that 'try to kill him'. Yet still no one has succeeded...
What people seem to be missing is that the guy suffers from serious road rage and the camera is enabling him. His whole attitude, if you put it into a car would be of a serial road rager, His security blanket are the cameras and he's careful to poke people just enough to keep himself on the correct side of the law. But that doesn't change the fact that after the initial incident, it's him that always escalates.
Normal people accept that there are tossers on the road everywhere. Regardless of what they're piloting. We all come across them. We all have a swear and a flash. But we don't chase them down, we don't pull them into a argument (EVERYONE on the road thinks they're right, so you're ALWAYS going to get an argument) looking for conflict to boost the popularity of his channel. It's feeding his ego, it's egging him on to do this more and more. He's going to eventually come across a proper psycho and end up in hospital. It's only a matter of time. But if you go out looking for it, eventually you'll find it.
Well said.t baiting people into conflict for his channel.https://www.youtube.com/user/uphillfreewheeler/vid...
That's 215 videos in 2 years. Even if he biked every single day, that's two people a week that 'try to kill him'. Yet still no one has succeeded...
What people seem to be missing is that the guy suffers from serious road rage and the camera is enabling him. His whole attitude, if you put it into a car would be of a serial road rager, His security blanket are the cameras and he's careful to poke people just enough to keep himself on the correct side of the law. But that doesn't change the fact that after the initial incident, it's him that always escalates.
Normal people accept that there are tossers on the road everywhere. Regardless of what they're piloting. We all come across them. We all have a swear and a flash. But we don't chase them down, we don't pull them into a argument (EVERYONE on the road thinks they're right, so you're ALWAYS going to get an argument) looking for conflict to boost the popularity of his channel. It's feeding his ego, it's egging him on to do this more and more. He's going to eventually come across a proper psycho and end up in hospital. It's only a matter of time. But if you go out looking for it, eventually you'll find it.
Strawman said:
walm said:
No. The usual cretins are suggesting that the cyclist should have known there was an impatient tt behind him and pulled over and stopped in the gap between cars
A bit of forum rage on display there, point to a single poster who said the cyclist should have stopped. t behind him and pulled over and stopped in the gap between cars So, you make a fair point.
However, at the point of overtake we can't be sure whether or not the guy was going to pull over a little since he is already overtaken.
Mave said:
Yep, they're both a pair of pricks.
But if it's worth people's energy to dream up a scenario where the cyclist goaded the motorist into a dodgy overtake then it's also worth pointing out that actually, up until the moment he gave chase, the cyclist did nothing wrong.
I wasn't aware anyone suggested the cyclist goaded the driver into a dodgy overtake. The accusation is the cyclist goaded the (evidently aggressive, short-tempered) driver into a violent confrontation. But if it's worth people's energy to dream up a scenario where the cyclist goaded the motorist into a dodgy overtake then it's also worth pointing out that actually, up until the moment he gave chase, the cyclist did nothing wrong.
juansolo said:
He has hundreds of videos on his channel. So he's either the unluckiest biker in the world, or a tt baiting people into conflict for his channel.
Or he's posting things that happen every day on the roads. I don't agree with the way he confronts and escalates the situation, but the fact remains that each of those situations has started somehow. I haven't waded through his hundreds of videos, but in the couple I have looked at the baiting is AFTER a dodgy manoeuvre, he hasn't baited someone into doing it in the first place.t baiting people into conflict for his channel.walm said:
Or he should have completely ignored the significant danger of a dooring and left the car more space to overtake because that overtake is MORE IMPORTANT THAT HIS SAFETY.
The driver was an impatient dick, no question, but the overtake occurred at a large gap in the parked cars - the cyclist could have moved over a foot if he was that concerned about his safety. There was no risk of a dooring at that time.The driver showed himself to be a dick, why would any cyclist want a driver like that behind them? Even when I'm driving, if I get a d
head driver behind me, I try to facilitate an overtake - rather them in front where I can keep some distance and an eye on them, than them behind where they can crash into me. The guy on the bike is a total pussy for not being able to accept that some cars pass close by. As for chasing the driver down to provoke an altercation - he's a wker for doing that. As for the driver, we'll he's just a dangerous tt nutter who thinks he still has it. The good thing about the video is while these two ballbags were occpied being dicks down a side street, the rest of the world was happy going about it's business.
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