Family Emergency. How fast would you go? Be honest.
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ali_kat said:
Disastrous said:
ali_kat said:
Disastrous said:
I maintain that any correctly wired human animal would risk absolutely everyone's life to protect those of his family. It's just normal, human and completely understandable. The people here claiming they'd carry out a calm, measured risk assessment and drive to conditions just sound like wet little babies. Poor wives!
You may well maintain that thought process, however, 99.9% of the rest of us think you are wrong, including those that have driven to the side of family in an emergency. We aren't wet little babies; we're rational, mature adults. Whilst it is normal, human and completely understandable to want to be with your family in times of emergency, it is not moral to risk the lives of others to do so. There's some stats somewhere based on human morals of a who would you save situation your wife/child or a group of unknown others, that show that most people would sacrifice their family for others.
"maturity begins to grow when you can sense your concern for others outweighing your concern for yourself" - John MacNaughton
I'm not going to say what you sound like, being willing to risk anyone's life to protect those of his family...
And besides, it's hardly as black and white as you make out anyway. Is it sociopathic to actively kill someone who is threatening the life of a loved one? No, of course it isn't.
Look, stop being so silly - (most) people don't make rational decisions when loved ones are in danger. I count myself in that group and going back to the original question, would drive as fast as I could in an emergency.
Sorry if you think that's sociopathic or immoral or whatever
Disastrous said:
Look, stop being so silly - (most) people don't make rational decisions when loved ones are in danger. I count myself in that group and going back to the original question, would drive as fast as I could in an emergency.
And that's the problem; people not making rational decision's but driving as fast as they could......Disastrous said:
Is it sociopathic to actively kill someone who is threatening the life of a loved one? No, of course it isn't.
Look, stop being so silly - (most) people don't make rational decisions when loved ones are in danger. I count myself in that group and going back to the original question, would drive as fast as I could in an emergency.
Sorry if you think that's sociopathic or immoral or whatever
It is if you do so just because they are in your way...Look, stop being so silly - (most) people don't make rational decisions when loved ones are in danger. I count myself in that group and going back to the original question, would drive as fast as I could in an emergency.
Sorry if you think that's sociopathic or immoral or whatever
I'm not the one being silly.
It is when loved ones lives are in danger that you NEED to be rational.
I did drive as fast as possible, but I did so rationally. You seem to be saying that you would do so irrationally, putting lives in danger to do so. And that is why I think you are coming over as a sociopath/immoral/immature.
WestyCarl said:
Disastrous said:
Look, stop being so silly - (most) people don't make rational decisions when loved ones are in danger. I count myself in that group and going back to the original question, would drive as fast as I could in an emergency.
And that's the problem; people not making rational decision's but driving as fast as they could......I suspect not. And if it's not a problem, then it simply becomes something people do, or don't do, depending on how they're wired.
boz1 said:
mph1977 said:
the amount of comments in such threads that are 20 (community responders / air ambulances) , 30 (blue book paramedics) , 40 (NHS direct management of the ambulance service and near total provision of fully 'qualified' ( green book) Ambulance crews ) or even 50 years out of date ( the origins of BASICS and the Millar report are mid 1960s) are remarkable.
I assume I'm not alone in having no clue what you are saying...Esceptico said:
Devil2575 said:
Any emotionally functional parent would feel the desire to do it but hopefully most would recognise that it is the wrong course of action. By thinking about what you would do in this situation before it happens you can rationalise it and so help yourself if it ever does come up.
What you are saying is that because we are emotionally involved we would automatically "lose our head". This doesn't have to be the case. An important life skill is being able to keep your head and make rational decisions even when the s
t is hitting the fan.
If you read Roadcraft (police training book) they put a lot of emphasis on mood and impact on high speed driving as it impairs your ability to judge situations properly. What you are saying is that because we are emotionally involved we would automatically "lose our head". This doesn't have to be the case. An important life skill is being able to keep your head and make rational decisions even when the s
t is hitting the fan. Many responses on this thread are quite worrying. Driving quickly ie deliberately over the speed limit by some margin, overtaking and running red lights is hazardous even if done by trained police or paramedics (with sirens and lights to warn other drivers). Untrained drivers of average ability with no experience and not in a calm frame of mind. Much higher risk of causing an accident. And in almost all cases with no justification as not a case of life or death. Sounds like more an excuse to do something inexcusable.
Like most parents if actually necessary I would do anything up to and including sacrifice myself for the sake of my child. But that doesn't mean I'm justified in taking any action where there is no genuine emergency or I can't influence the outcome.
the powerfully built and be -goatted have spoken and they are the 'normal' ones and those with the evidence base and understanding are the emotionally stunted and dispassionate ones (I don't think they understand what dispassionate means either).
mph1977 said:
the powerfully built and be -goatted have spoken and they are the 'normal' ones and those with the evidence base and understanding are the emotionally stunted and dispassionate ones (I don't think they understand what dispassionate means either).
You've finally got it 
Jesting, I get your perspective and you are right in some ways... but for the majority of us, instinct will take over in a situation like this and we'll make decisions that we would not normally make.
Disastrous said:
WestyCarl said:
Disastrous said:
Look, stop being so silly - (most) people don't make rational decisions when loved ones are in danger. I count myself in that group and going back to the original question, would drive as fast as I could in an emergency.
And that's the problem; people not making rational decision's but driving as fast as they could......I suspect not. And if it's not a problem, then it simply becomes something people do, or don't do, depending on how they're wired.
WestyCarl said:
Who knows? But driving is dangerous as 3000 people a year die on our roads. Adding risk to this via alcohol, texting, or driving "as fast as they could" when "not making rational decisions" doesn't seem a great idea.
exactly and this is the point no one has said 'don't go' no-one has said don't make a best effort to get there in one piece and somewhere near to the law , what has been said is that mad dashes are counter productive and that have a go heroics is not preferred compared to ringing 999 ( as a mad dash to possibly the wrong A+E can sometimes pass dozens of people who are traiend and equipped to help )
ali_kat said:
I did drive as fast as possible, but I did so rationally.
"Dunning Kruger writ large!" I guess we fundamentally just don't agree. I think driving is easy and will go as fast as I dare if it was life and death.
Honestly, I care about my people more than other people's people. It's exactly the same reason I feel more sad if someone close to me dies than a stranger on the other side of the world. I think that's pretty normal in both the human and animal worlds so fine by me.
Probably not much more worth adding to that. People will react how they will under pressure.
Experienced this with my mother was in ICU phone call from hospital she has a few hours. Jumped in the car went as fast as I could without being reckless if its a decision between saying goodbye to a loved one and losing my license. fk my license. Thankfully by some shear miracle she pulled through much to the amazement of all those looking after her. I will never look at the road in question in the same light have to agree with previous posters you think its a nice open bend until you do it at speed its amazing what a modern small cars is capable of.
k my license. Thankfully by some shear miracle she pulled through much to the amazement of all those looking after her. I will never look at the road in question in the same light have to agree with previous posters you think its a nice open bend until you do it at speed its amazing what a modern small cars is capable of. It's also interesting to note that there seems to be a considerable amount of "I'm a parent, I've got kids so it's different" nonsense in this thread....as usual people with children think they have some sort of miraculous outlook on the world that non-parents are too stupid to have realised.
zarjaz1991 said:
It's also interesting to note that there seems to be a considerable amount of "I'm a parent, I've got kids so it's different" nonsense in this thread....as usual people with children think they have some sort of miraculous outlook on the world that non-parents are too stupid to have realised.
I guess you don't have kids?
zarjaz1991 said:
It's also interesting to note that there seems to be a considerable amount of "I'm a parent, I've got kids so it's different" nonsense in this thread....as usual people with children think they have some sort of miraculous outlook on the world that non-parents are too stupid to have realised.
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