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gawdlpus said:
Funnily enough we are not allowed to use the 95's we have as they don't want miles put on them!
We have a new pre reg Aero 95 2.0 with £8000 off if anyone is interested!!
I can safely assume there is a reason behind this I just am not sure what it is.
Everyone here is either in a 93 diesel company car or they have ducked out of the company car scheme.
Back in the day even if you had your own car it would be a Saab but now in sales one has a Mazda and another a Fiat. None of the mechanics have Saabs and only one employee has an old 95 estate he rebuilt the engine on
Thats no good…I don't understand you got to get the cars on the road so people see them, especially the new oneWe have a new pre reg Aero 95 2.0 with £8000 off if anyone is interested!!
I can safely assume there is a reason behind this I just am not sure what it is.
Everyone here is either in a 93 diesel company car or they have ducked out of the company car scheme.
Back in the day even if you had your own car it would be a Saab but now in sales one has a Mazda and another a Fiat. None of the mechanics have Saabs and only one employee has an old 95 estate he rebuilt the engine on
Guys in Trolly are running around in them but thats like teaching your mum to suck eggs as they say.
The best thing is to have cars parked around the place and driving on major routes so people see them and say "corr saw a great looking SAAB today"
But heh ho if they think people are going to just drop into dealerships out of sympathy they have another thing coming..
The other reason employees tool round in the new vehicles is that if they get an early/ even pre-launch car they can be at 30K miles before the general public and as such they actually know how the car ages, for example does the timing belt actually last, does it really work the way the testing shows. Better an employee stranded somewhere than a journalist or a customer who purchased on day of release.
gawdlpus said:
We have a new pre reg Aero 95 2.0 with £8000 off if anyone is interested!!
Leaving aside Saab's international issues for moment, this single sentence says vast amounts about Saab's UK market. And even then, I'd expect it to depreciate so hard over a year that it'd be cheaper to buy another car and burn a few fivers a day.
OK I'm back from chillin' in the surf shack.
While you're about sladealive, do you want to have a chat with well informed contacts in China, as to why the Chinese government have said that the Pang Da deal can't go ahead? (This has been reported by both the Shanghai Daily and assorted Dutch & Swedish newspapers.) Maybe the fact that the commerical estate agents were at the factory yesterday valuing the buildings is related, as apparently Muller can no longer wait for the EIB to approve Antonov's lend/lease deal on the factory, so they are looking for another prospective landlord.
Remember Pang Da have already sent Saab a deposit. If the company now does go into adminstration, they will be the principal creditor and have first dibs. Oh wait... I do believe I said that up there ^^^^^^
As for your comment to gawdlpus (who has made some very telling points on this thread.) about the discount level he's having to give customers, it again proves you know very little about the current market for Saab in the UK. The big question now becomes, has Muller got enough funds to pay off the suppliers and has he got enough money to make payroll at the end of this month.
Got your custard ready?
Slade Alive said:
...which is you saying Muller is lying. The truth of Muller's comment perhaps refers to when the line was last run. The first week of May. Some three weeks ago then, which is as Muller told, when the line was switched off. According to Stig Runesson some cars were produced at that time.
So basically you are using a Saab financed website to confirm what I have already said. No production cars have come down the line since the begining of April. Cheers for that!Swade said:
Saab test production as Hawtai tour Saab factory
I’m playing catchup here, having just arrived back in Australia.
While I was in transit, representatives from Hawtai Motor Group arrived in Trollhattan and toured Saab’s factory. At the same time that was happening, Saab were recommencing limited production aimed at making sure that everything was working OK on the production line. Full production should recommence in the next week, though an exact date hasn’t been tied down as far as I know.
It didn't
Yesterday the production staff were on site to get information and to conduct a test run of factory equipment and build a small number of cars. Production manager, Stig Runesson, says that the activities were successful from several perspectives.
“I think most people appreciated getting to work, to get information and to touch materials and cars again. We chose to run a part of the test batch of cars during the Hawtai visit to give our guests a chance to see how things work here and it went very well.”
Again a test batch of cars, not production. There is no way they could have been complete cars as they haven't got a full inventory of parts to finish them. (remember the whole problem here started because they could not pay parts suppliers) Also one of the reasons HowNow rejected the deal was that they were 'aghast' at what they found at the factory, so those cars obviously impressed.
The purpose of the limited production run was primarily to test the equipment. Some maintanence work has been done as well as re-balance work, installations and completions, before the production start of the Saab 9-5 SportCombi and model year 2012. A test run like this is very valuable before the coming production start.
“In the tooling workshop we are now running try-outs and adjustments of certain tools. In the Body Shop we focus on getting the right dimensions and measures of the SportCombi and in the other shops we are have maintenance ongoing, and also improvement activitites with focus on quality. These tasks are handled with a limited number of employees on site,” says Stig Runesson.
Oh these silly cat 'n' mouse games. Here to show the inaccuracies of your finger pointing opinions which continue to litter this topic. Why do I care I’m playing catchup here, having just arrived back in Australia.
While I was in transit, representatives from Hawtai Motor Group arrived in Trollhattan and toured Saab’s factory. At the same time that was happening, Saab were recommencing limited production aimed at making sure that everything was working OK on the production line. Full production should recommence in the next week, though an exact date hasn’t been tied down as far as I know.
It didn't
Yesterday the production staff were on site to get information and to conduct a test run of factory equipment and build a small number of cars. Production manager, Stig Runesson, says that the activities were successful from several perspectives.
“I think most people appreciated getting to work, to get information and to touch materials and cars again. We chose to run a part of the test batch of cars during the Hawtai visit to give our guests a chance to see how things work here and it went very well.”
Again a test batch of cars, not production. There is no way they could have been complete cars as they haven't got a full inventory of parts to finish them. (remember the whole problem here started because they could not pay parts suppliers) Also one of the reasons HowNow rejected the deal was that they were 'aghast' at what they found at the factory, so those cars obviously impressed.
The purpose of the limited production run was primarily to test the equipment. Some maintanence work has been done as well as re-balance work, installations and completions, before the production start of the Saab 9-5 SportCombi and model year 2012. A test run like this is very valuable before the coming production start.
“In the tooling workshop we are now running try-outs and adjustments of certain tools. In the Body Shop we focus on getting the right dimensions and measures of the SportCombi and in the other shops we are have maintenance ongoing, and also improvement activitites with focus on quality. These tasks are handled with a limited number of employees on site,” says Stig Runesson.
While you're about sladealive, do you want to have a chat with well informed contacts in China, as to why the Chinese government have said that the Pang Da deal can't go ahead? (This has been reported by both the Shanghai Daily and assorted Dutch & Swedish newspapers.) Maybe the fact that the commerical estate agents were at the factory yesterday valuing the buildings is related, as apparently Muller can no longer wait for the EIB to approve Antonov's lend/lease deal on the factory, so they are looking for another prospective landlord.
Remember Pang Da have already sent Saab a deposit. If the company now does go into adminstration, they will be the principal creditor and have first dibs. Oh wait... I do believe I said that up there ^^^^^^
As for your comment to gawdlpus (who has made some very telling points on this thread.) about the discount level he's having to give customers, it again proves you know very little about the current market for Saab in the UK. The big question now becomes, has Muller got enough funds to pay off the suppliers and has he got enough money to make payroll at the end of this month.
Got your custard ready?
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Saturday 21st May 11:13
Slade Alive said:
Eight grand speaks of the moment - not of the future though. Either way, there'll be no cars left to give eight off, or eight off won't happen if the line starts rolling. Once the company's stabilised the cars will speak for themselves - and sell.
Point taken Slade, but as I was referring to how the car's been received in the UK, not internationally. It's not a direct relation to Saab's future viability either; for example, there have been plenty of Hyundais that have depreciated poorly and that company's in rude health.It's not a reflection of how good a car is either. Plenty of Jag XJ's (X300) depreciated like stones.
But it is a reflection of whether a Saab 9-5 is a sensible place to put your money. Right now, it isn't. In future it may be, but that depends on what happens in Chinese boardrooms.
Another update.
The reason for the delay/possible cancellation of the Pang Da deal is that the Youngman Motor Company (crazy name, crazy guys.) have put forward documents that they say prove they had a signed agreement with Muller for a deal before HowNow and Pang Da.
The Chinese Finance ministry has basically frozen all any prospective contracts until it works out who has signed with who. In the meantime, no start of production, no deals with any of the suppliers, no deal with EIB let to let in Antonov, still it drags on.
The reason for the delay/possible cancellation of the Pang Da deal is that the Youngman Motor Company (crazy name, crazy guys.) have put forward documents that they say prove they had a signed agreement with Muller for a deal before HowNow and Pang Da.
The Chinese Finance ministry has basically frozen all any prospective contracts until it works out who has signed with who. In the meantime, no start of production, no deals with any of the suppliers, no deal with EIB let to let in Antonov, still it drags on.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Another update.
The reason for the delay/possible cancellation of the Pang Da deal is that the Youngman Motor Company (crazy name, crazy guys.) have put forward documents that they say prove they had a signed agreement with Muller for a deal before HowNow and Pang Da.
The Chinese Finance ministry has basically frozen all any prospective contracts until it works out who has signed with who. In the meantime, no start of production, no deals with any of the suppliers, no deal with EIB let to let in Antonov, still it drags on.
You really make it sound like every turn of Muller's is some sort of dodgy deal or law fractured. The guy is trying to save an ailing car company. What do you want him to do. Go knocking on one door at a time. Wait for it to be slammed shut in his face then politely move to the next fThe reason for the delay/possible cancellation of the Pang Da deal is that the Youngman Motor Company (crazy name, crazy guys.) have put forward documents that they say prove they had a signed agreement with Muller for a deal before HowNow and Pang Da.
The Chinese Finance ministry has basically frozen all any prospective contracts until it works out who has signed with who. In the meantime, no start of production, no deals with any of the suppliers, no deal with EIB let to let in Antonov, still it drags on.
king door. The clock is ticking. Get it? Slade Alive said:
You really make it sound like every turn of Muller's is some sort of dodgy deal or law fractured. The guy is trying to save an ailing car company. What do you want him to do. Go knocking on one door at a time. Wait for it to be slammed shut in his face then politely move to the next fking door. The clock is ticking. Get it?
well said Slade_Alive the clock is ticking certainly and so far a lot of effort has been put in to save SAAB including developing the new car for 2011-2012 at the same time with very little help from the swedish media I can say who only seem to report on the negative side of this story which in turn makes people nervous……..king door. The clock is ticking. Get it? 
Slade Alive said:
I've wondered if Toad is Swedish media funnily enough 
Thank you for the compliment. I've always thought that you are Swade.Important week yet again. Payday is looming for both Saab and its suppliers. Has either of them got the money? Will the government decide to loan them another 40 million to keep the doors open for another month? (despite last time saying it was the last time.). But more importantly, will a major supplier now decide that after 3 months of not being paid and with the production line still showing no sign of re-starting, its time to call in the heavy mob?
Stay tuned to this channel as the soap opera continues.
Hey Garlick, someone on here thinks I'm a journalist! Gizza a job!
The Hypno-Toad said:
....with the production line still showing no sign of re-starting
I'm assuming those at Saab have been busy trying to sort a deal since last weeks news, and no one has been sat idle since. Every day closer to a deal is a day closer to production, but that's putting a positive spin on matters where it seems you Toad prefer the negative spin.
rovermorris999 said:
And ignore reality?
I didn't say ignore it, just don't keep banging on about it in such a negative way. It does no one any good especially the brand.Keep it positive until the time it happens, if it happens , then by all means spread it thick and creamy but don't try and predict things based on what another company did and also based on gossip about Mr Muller and the way he wants to run his private company.
It is tricky at the moment but the guy is trying his damnedest to try and save a good brand and get it back as a viable small manufacturer of quality car s like they used to be years ago.
So come on bring some love to the table guys……..
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