RE: PH Fleet: Ferrari 599 GTB
Discussion
Pugsey said:
Yep. Tell people you've bought some mega home cinema kit, new carpets, expensive suit, been on a hugely expensive holiday, go to the Ivy or where ever regularly all of which are things that have 'lost' you most or all of you investment almost immediately and that's all very nice. Tell them you've spent money on a car - THE THING WE'RE ALL MEANT TO BE PATIONATE ABOUT and which will give you hours/days/years of pleasure and memories - and people come over all concerned about how much it'll cost and don't even want to discuss the CAR!
I know its crazy. We are all meant to passionate about cars, I know I am, so why do other so called car fans slate someone for buying a car "on the drip". Its no one else business but the owners how they financed the deal. If it works for them then enjoy your car. Personally I have no qualms doing the same thing. If it gets me into a lambo with a little bit of a risk then so be it. Its the car that matters not the deal.So Chris, would you recommend the 599 say over something like a GT2 Club sport?
Mermaid said:
This ^
Strange isn't it? I actually don't care that much, but do find it a little extraordinary that supposedly like-minded people would assume that I would buy a 599 and then construct a completely fictitious finance agreement with possibly the world's most famous (and irritating) car company. Just walk into a Ferrari showroom, and they will offer you any punter the same deal.The interesting debate around this finance situation should be comparing a 5 yr old 599 with a new sports car. Rental only works if you think you can keep depreciation in check: to me 599s just look good value next to everything else out there. Will it dip more than a new 991 in 12 months? I doubt it, but am prepared for the consequences of being wrong.
In the back of my mind there's always one scenario: when I'm old and driving a Moulinex 3200 Volt Whispermatic, I'll be able to remember owning (in part) some amazing cars that were only available to me through the supposed evils of finance - the ultimate 'enabler'.
I'm off out for a drive in it.
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Sexual Chocolate said:
I know its crazy. We are all meant to passionate about cars, I know I am, so why do other so called car fans slate someone for buying a car "on the drip". Its no one else business but the owners how they financed the deal. If it works for them then enjoy your car. Personally I have no qualms doing the same thing. If it gets me into a lambo with a little bit of a risk then so be it. Its the car that matters not the deal.
So Chris, would you recommend the 599 say over something like a GT2 Club sport?
Totally different things. GT2 more rounded, smaller, mostly faster in the UK. But 599 much more of an event. I tend to go in phases: have something extrovert for a while, then revert back to some manner of Stuttgart brilliance. Think it will be ever thus.So Chris, would you recommend the 599 say over something like a GT2 Club sport?
Mind you, if there was a cheap GT2 RS about....
Blown2CV said:
However with the Ferrari that's not what Chris is doing. Instead it's just taking out a vast amount of finance on a car. That's clearly his choice though, but if you need to get the cost down to £350 a month, can you really afford a Ferrari?! Got to admire the guy for going for it, and a fantastic car, but not something I'd do - and I think probably a lot of the other posters chastised for not being 'proper' petrolheads by daring to not gush praise are saying the same sort of thing.
FFS
The reason people are chastising him is because, like you, they don't understand how the finance works. It's not about needing to get the cost down to £350/month. The £350/month is how much it costs to borrow the difference between £40k (the deposit) and the purchase price of the car, it's got nothing to do with how much CH can afford to pay or otherwise. The balloon would be the amount borrowed* which will not be being paid since he won't keep the car and the depreciation hit will come out of the £40k (which probably comprises the profit made on the previous Porsche). All in all, I imagine for 10 months(?) in a Porsche GT3 4.0RS and a year(?) in a 599, Chris will come out even or better off than his position before the 4.0RS.Now, where's that video Chris?
* I'm assuming the £350/month isn't paying back the loan since it doesn't appear big enough to but that's not to say it isn't. Repayment only is conservative
Chris Harris said:
I'm off out for a drive in it.
I think this sums it all up.I would imagine you could count on one hand all those who have contributed to this thread who are able to say they are heading out for a drive in their supercar on such a gorgeous, sunny day.
The (Welsh) hills will be alive with sound of (V12) music.
Enjoy.
f1ten said:
back to matters at hand. Do we think he ought to put a sports exhaust on it? My vote is yes because it does frankly sound like an Enzo and at full blast its got ehs scream of an f1 car. That v12 is in the top 3 best sounding engines of a modern car in my book, other 2 being the Murci v12 and the 7.3 v12 in the Zonda.
Warranty issues, and with the valves open in Sport mode it's already extremely loud. Much better noise than my old 575.Chris Harris said:
Totally different things. GT2 more rounded, smaller, mostly faster in the UK. But 599 much more of an event. I tend to go in phases: have something extrovert for a while, then revert back to some manner of Stuttgart brilliance. Think it will be ever thus.
Mind you, if there was a cheap GT2 RS about....
Have you found people react differently to the Ferrari compared to the Porsche so far? To your average man on the street I'd expect the Ferrari looks alot more expensive.Mind you, if there was a cheap GT2 RS about....
Chris Harris said:
Totally different things. GT2 more rounded, smaller, mostly faster in the UK. But 599 much more of an event. I tend to go in phases: have something extrovert for a while, then revert back to some manner of Stuttgart brilliance. Think it will be ever thus.
Mind you, if there was a cheap GT2 RS about....
The black one is sold as you proably know and it wasn't cheap. I still think that much for a 911 is excessive but boy what a car. Mind you, if there was a cheap GT2 RS about....
Chris Harris said:
In the back of my mind there's always one scenario: when I'm old and driving a Moulinex 3200 Volt Whispermatic, I'll be able to remember owning (in part) some amazing cars that were only available to me through the supposed evils of finance - the ultimate 'enabler'.
I'm off out for a drive in it.
I'm off out for a drive in it.
Totally agree, life is about experiences and memories, I imagine owning a 599 is up there with the good ones rather than bad regardless of how it's paid for. Thanks to your video in the wet at Silverstone and some others on here I ended up deciding that buying a 160,000mile M5 was a good idea (which may or may not have involved some mans maths / logic at the time). Turns out it's the best car buying decision I made so far. I bet the same people moaning about finance would also think buying a 160,000 mile M5 is nuts, maybe it is, but I don't care.
Depreciation? Finance??
A few years ago I picked up my first Ferrari (an F430). There it was, sitting gleaming in the middle of Maranello's showroom but I had to endure sitting doing the last bits of paperwork and pretending to be enjoying an Expresso all the while eyeing 'my' car and taking in the sights and smells of the showroom. Finally I was allowed near the thing, but still there was the agony of enduring the 20 min hand over/explanation of controls (it's a car FFS just let me at it!), handbooks etc. And all the while I'm trying not to giggle hysterically (my young nephew who's along for the ride is!). At last the car's started, the sound bouncing round the showrooms and rolled outside and we can escape. I'm very conscious of the gazes of 'window shoppers' in the showroom. They prob think I'm rich - I'm not, but 100% interest only finance and a huge balloon mean it's me living this dream not them!
Straight out into traffic nearly all the way home but it doesn't matter. Lads on the pavement give the thumbs up and kids in the back of cars take photos - some of their dads grin, some look straight ahead. I'm here it's real, that really is the famous open ali gate I'm looking at. It's mine!
That journey home lasted about an hour and I remember every inch and every second - and how our jaws ached from grinning by the time we got home. I didn't think it could get better than that - but it did a few weeks later in the Alps. And on every trip to Waitrose or where ever. And everytime I opened the barn doors and pulled off the dust cover.
The memories are there both in my head and on camera. My nephew STILL talks about it. And it'll still make me smile when nursey spoon feeds me my soup one day.
Hard cash? I'd prob pay £1000s for the first day experince alone. But who the hell's counting.
Enjoy Chris!
A few years ago I picked up my first Ferrari (an F430). There it was, sitting gleaming in the middle of Maranello's showroom but I had to endure sitting doing the last bits of paperwork and pretending to be enjoying an Expresso all the while eyeing 'my' car and taking in the sights and smells of the showroom. Finally I was allowed near the thing, but still there was the agony of enduring the 20 min hand over/explanation of controls (it's a car FFS just let me at it!), handbooks etc. And all the while I'm trying not to giggle hysterically (my young nephew who's along for the ride is!). At last the car's started, the sound bouncing round the showrooms and rolled outside and we can escape. I'm very conscious of the gazes of 'window shoppers' in the showroom. They prob think I'm rich - I'm not, but 100% interest only finance and a huge balloon mean it's me living this dream not them!
Straight out into traffic nearly all the way home but it doesn't matter. Lads on the pavement give the thumbs up and kids in the back of cars take photos - some of their dads grin, some look straight ahead. I'm here it's real, that really is the famous open ali gate I'm looking at. It's mine!
That journey home lasted about an hour and I remember every inch and every second - and how our jaws ached from grinning by the time we got home. I didn't think it could get better than that - but it did a few weeks later in the Alps. And on every trip to Waitrose or where ever. And everytime I opened the barn doors and pulled off the dust cover.
The memories are there both in my head and on camera. My nephew STILL talks about it. And it'll still make me smile when nursey spoon feeds me my soup one day.
Hard cash? I'd prob pay £1000s for the first day experince alone. But who the hell's counting.
Enjoy Chris!
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