Gumball fatal crash--it was only a matter of time
Discussion
cheburator said:
tinman0 said:
cheburator said:
The Macedonian police is saying that it could be the Golf's driver fault that he pulled out into the main road, yet, the Porsche was doing around 200km/h when it happened judging by the length of the tyre marks and the state of the two cars.
skid marks - doesn't the car have ABS?
The video from Macedonian TV showed proper skid marks... I think even ABS can be overwhelmed?
[url]www.dnevnik.com.mk/?ItemID=9CBF7005E38A984D966A7B3AB2433E16[/url]
Edited by cheburator on Friday 4th May 14:27
Surely ABS is only functional against a rolling wheel in a forward direction. If the driver had got it all lost and crossed up, ABS is no help at all. Impossible to spculate but let's do it anyway. ludicrous speed among road traffic - tail happy 911 - problem on own side of road - lift off overteer - hangover - sleep seprived - slow reactions. Fiarly easy to get it all crossed up under those circumstances, hence ABS or not, continual skid marks whilst going sideways straight to the scene of the accident.
After watching some of the G3000 programmes on TV, even before you take speculative driving ability into account, the mix of booze, speed, tiredness, showboating etc - it's sad but inevitable that one day something like this would happen.
Sad to report but the lady passenger has also passed away
Press Release
Gumball 3000 claimed another life in Macedonia
Skopje /04/05/ 17:49
The international rally Gumball 3000 claimed the second victim today - Margarita Chepunjoska, the wife of Vladimir, who died two days ago, has passed away today in the Skopje Clinic Center.
Margarita was severely injured in the accident that took place on Wednesday, when a participant of the rally crashed his Porsche into the car driven by her husband.
British citizen Nicholas Morley was speeding in his Porsche at the Struga-Qafasan road, when it collided head-on with Chepunjoski's Golf.
Yesterday, an investigative judge of Struga Court ordered 30 days of temporary detention to Nicholas Morley. The Police filed a formal accusation against him for "heavy violation of traffic safety" and "failure to provide help to an injured person".
Macedonian police told Makfax today that no charges will be raised against his co-driver, the British citizen Matthew McConville.
Press Release
Gumball 3000 claimed another life in Macedonia
Skopje /04/05/ 17:49
The international rally Gumball 3000 claimed the second victim today - Margarita Chepunjoska, the wife of Vladimir, who died two days ago, has passed away today in the Skopje Clinic Center.
Margarita was severely injured in the accident that took place on Wednesday, when a participant of the rally crashed his Porsche into the car driven by her husband.
British citizen Nicholas Morley was speeding in his Porsche at the Struga-Qafasan road, when it collided head-on with Chepunjoski's Golf.
Yesterday, an investigative judge of Struga Court ordered 30 days of temporary detention to Nicholas Morley. The Police filed a formal accusation against him for "heavy violation of traffic safety" and "failure to provide help to an injured person".
Macedonian police told Makfax today that no charges will be raised against his co-driver, the British citizen Matthew McConville.
scooby_snax said:
Sad to report but the lady passenger has also passed away
Press Release
Gumball 3000 claimed another life in Macedonia
Skopje /04/05/ 17:49
The international rally Gumball 3000 claimed the second victim today - Margarita Chepunjoska, the wife of Vladimir, who died two days ago, has passed away today in the Skopje Clinic Center.
Margarita was severely injured in the accident that took place on Wednesday, when a participant of the rally crashed his Porsche into the car driven by her husband.
British citizen Nicholas Morley was speeding in his Porsche at the Struga-Qafasan road, when it collided head-on with Chepunjoski's Golf.
Yesterday, an investigative judge of Struga Court ordered 30 days of temporary detention to Nicholas Morley. The Police filed a formal accusation against him for "heavy violation of traffic safety" and "failure to provide help to an injured person".
Macedonian police told Makfax today that no charges will be raised against his co-driver, the British citizen Matthew McConville.
Press Release
Gumball 3000 claimed another life in Macedonia
Skopje /04/05/ 17:49
The international rally Gumball 3000 claimed the second victim today - Margarita Chepunjoska, the wife of Vladimir, who died two days ago, has passed away today in the Skopje Clinic Center.
Margarita was severely injured in the accident that took place on Wednesday, when a participant of the rally crashed his Porsche into the car driven by her husband.
British citizen Nicholas Morley was speeding in his Porsche at the Struga-Qafasan road, when it collided head-on with Chepunjoski's Golf.
Yesterday, an investigative judge of Struga Court ordered 30 days of temporary detention to Nicholas Morley. The Police filed a formal accusation against him for "heavy violation of traffic safety" and "failure to provide help to an injured person".
Macedonian police told Makfax today that no charges will be raised against his co-driver, the British citizen Matthew McConville.
Thats it. Gumball MUST end.
chas100 said:
scooby_snax said:
Sad to report but the lady passenger has also passed away
Press Release
Gumball 3000 claimed another life in Macedonia
Skopje /04/05/ 17:49
The international rally Gumball 3000 claimed the second victim today - Margarita Chepunjoska, the wife of Vladimir, who died two days ago, has passed away today in the Skopje Clinic Center.
Margarita was severely injured in the accident that took place on Wednesday, when a participant of the rally crashed his Porsche into the car driven by her husband.
British citizen Nicholas Morley was speeding in his Porsche at the Struga-Qafasan road, when it collided head-on with Chepunjoski's Golf.
Yesterday, an investigative judge of Struga Court ordered 30 days of temporary detention to Nicholas Morley. The Police filed a formal accusation against him for "heavy violation of traffic safety" and "failure to provide help to an injured person".
Macedonian police told Makfax today that no charges will be raised against his co-driver, the British citizen Matthew McConville.
Press Release
Gumball 3000 claimed another life in Macedonia
Skopje /04/05/ 17:49
The international rally Gumball 3000 claimed the second victim today - Margarita Chepunjoska, the wife of Vladimir, who died two days ago, has passed away today in the Skopje Clinic Center.
Margarita was severely injured in the accident that took place on Wednesday, when a participant of the rally crashed his Porsche into the car driven by her husband.
British citizen Nicholas Morley was speeding in his Porsche at the Struga-Qafasan road, when it collided head-on with Chepunjoski's Golf.
Yesterday, an investigative judge of Struga Court ordered 30 days of temporary detention to Nicholas Morley. The Police filed a formal accusation against him for "heavy violation of traffic safety" and "failure to provide help to an injured person".
Macedonian police told Makfax today that no charges will be raised against his co-driver, the British citizen Matthew McConville.
Thats it. Gumball MUST end.
yeah you tell them. :sarcasm:
tinman0 said:
chas100 said:
scooby_snax said:
Sad to report but the lady passenger has also passed away
Press Release
Gumball 3000 claimed another life in Macedonia
Skopje /04/05/ 17:49
The international rally Gumball 3000 claimed the second victim today - Margarita Chepunjoska, the wife of Vladimir, who died two days ago, has passed away today in the Skopje Clinic Center.
Margarita was severely injured in the accident that took place on Wednesday, when a participant of the rally crashed his Porsche into the car driven by her husband.
British citizen Nicholas Morley was speeding in his Porsche at the Struga-Qafasan road, when it collided head-on with Chepunjoski's Golf.
Yesterday, an investigative judge of Struga Court ordered 30 days of temporary detention to Nicholas Morley. The Police filed a formal accusation against him for "heavy violation of traffic safety" and "failure to provide help to an injured person".
Macedonian police told Makfax today that no charges will be raised against his co-driver, the British citizen Matthew McConville.
Press Release
Gumball 3000 claimed another life in Macedonia
Skopje /04/05/ 17:49
The international rally Gumball 3000 claimed the second victim today - Margarita Chepunjoska, the wife of Vladimir, who died two days ago, has passed away today in the Skopje Clinic Center.
Margarita was severely injured in the accident that took place on Wednesday, when a participant of the rally crashed his Porsche into the car driven by her husband.
British citizen Nicholas Morley was speeding in his Porsche at the Struga-Qafasan road, when it collided head-on with Chepunjoski's Golf.
Yesterday, an investigative judge of Struga Court ordered 30 days of temporary detention to Nicholas Morley. The Police filed a formal accusation against him for "heavy violation of traffic safety" and "failure to provide help to an injured person".
Macedonian police told Makfax today that no charges will be raised against his co-driver, the British citizen Matthew McConville.
Thats it. Gumball MUST end.
yeah you tell them. :sarcasm:
I doubt I will be doing that personally. But, the Law will
Erik997 said:
That's the Tech9 car (UK distributor for Techart) and was driven by Tech9's MD. The car involved in the crash was the other Techart 911 turbo (same paint job but different car).
if you zoom in on that pic you can see the names clearly (black vinyl on tinted windows) and they're definately the names mentioned in the news report as the arrested drivers of the car.
unless they swapped cars (i did see the other liveried car too), this is the car in the crash.
Tech 9's MD is Phil Hindley no? or is he just owner or something? doubt he would be competing as he will be at Silverstone this weekend watching over his GT2 and GT3 Porsches...
edited to add, this is the only pic of the 2 Porsches i have together, you can see the RSL 9 No. 74 car is the one involved in the accident due to the stripes:
Edited by littlegearl on Friday 4th May 19:30
Im not sure if the gumball will survive or not. luckily for Gumball HQ today was what was known as a "good bad news day" = a missing kiddy and council elections have overshadowed, i should imagine (call me cynicals) mondeo man doesnt care about a macedonian and his wife as long as they arent in london doing plumbing work for 2 quid an hour and taking british jobs....
The big issue for gumball is that of sponsorship, Max had planned some sort of 10th birthday extravaganza ending in australia, that would have meant serious serious costs and therefore relied on huge sponsorship deals or the entry fee would be something like 150K or more a a driver.
Companys such as TMobile and Adidas have a board of ethics issue, and they are not going to want to be asscociated with a brand that has blood on its hands. your "cool rebel yooth" rally is all well and good until it goes out and causes some deaths. I cannot see how ANY mainstream sponsorship company will want to have any connection with something that has gone from being "cool" to "social pariah".
Kate Moss recovered, but she went into rehab. Can gumball pull the same trick? maybe if max cooper and co decide to make it a charitable race will all proceeds going to unicef, and force the drivers to help out at orphanages and kitten rescue stations on the rally route instead of snorting coke and shagging hookers then perhaps, but its going to take a huge PR effort and good PR is something GB HQ has been sadly lacking in recent years.
Are they listening? do they care? probably not. what is certain they have lost a huge amount of goodwill from the entire community over their poor handling of the situation and their treatment of the less well heeled. If their little coterie of rich fools decide the once cool gumball is now a PR own goal and the loss of sponsorship means no more gliterrati events, and they continue to snub the mere mortals then i think the whole business is finished.
The big issue for gumball is that of sponsorship, Max had planned some sort of 10th birthday extravaganza ending in australia, that would have meant serious serious costs and therefore relied on huge sponsorship deals or the entry fee would be something like 150K or more a a driver.
Companys such as TMobile and Adidas have a board of ethics issue, and they are not going to want to be asscociated with a brand that has blood on its hands. your "cool rebel yooth" rally is all well and good until it goes out and causes some deaths. I cannot see how ANY mainstream sponsorship company will want to have any connection with something that has gone from being "cool" to "social pariah".
Kate Moss recovered, but she went into rehab. Can gumball pull the same trick? maybe if max cooper and co decide to make it a charitable race will all proceeds going to unicef, and force the drivers to help out at orphanages and kitten rescue stations on the rally route instead of snorting coke and shagging hookers then perhaps, but its going to take a huge PR effort and good PR is something GB HQ has been sadly lacking in recent years.
Are they listening? do they care? probably not. what is certain they have lost a huge amount of goodwill from the entire community over their poor handling of the situation and their treatment of the less well heeled. If their little coterie of rich fools decide the once cool gumball is now a PR own goal and the loss of sponsorship means no more gliterrati events, and they continue to snub the mere mortals then i think the whole business is finished.
A bit OT but the idea for this Rally was very simple and is a result of today's society. Showing off wealth is very much in fashion and something that I dislike. People have never had it that good in this country.
I am actually saddened that someone has died and I'm not suffering from a case of the green eyed monster either. I'd rather not jump to conclusions just yet before we hear all the facts.
I am actually saddened that someone has died and I'm not suffering from a case of the green eyed monster either. I'd rather not jump to conclusions just yet before we hear all the facts.
I competed in twice in the One Lap of America. A very high profile rally with probably the same mix of talented drivers and spastics. In 1987 when I was with Alfa Romeo we had to cover some serious mileage, and in 1993 when I drove for SAAB it was cut back drastically, but nevertheless we spen a lot of time trying to make time on heavily patrolled highways. Why were they heavily patrolled? Well, the organsier, Brock Yates, informed all the authorities of exactly when we could be expected to arrive in their respective jurisdictions. There was always a show of force at state borders, planes and hidden troopers everywhere. We only got stopped once in 1987.
Our motto: "Run silent, run deep". Make time, but do not do anything stupid or make yourself conspicuous. Hard to do with all the required stickers on the cars, but possible.
ALL of our "racing" was on the track. One sighting lap and a couple against the clock on a circuit that maybe you never saw before. Great fun. Lots of screw ups of course, but nobody got hurt.
We had a lot of fun. No time for parties until the finish.
Perhaps the Gumball organsiers should look to the One Lap organisers for some inspiration, and move on from what is, for all intents and purposes, an outlaw event.
Our motto: "Run silent, run deep". Make time, but do not do anything stupid or make yourself conspicuous. Hard to do with all the required stickers on the cars, but possible.
ALL of our "racing" was on the track. One sighting lap and a couple against the clock on a circuit that maybe you never saw before. Great fun. Lots of screw ups of course, but nobody got hurt.
We had a lot of fun. No time for parties until the finish.
Perhaps the Gumball organsiers should look to the One Lap organisers for some inspiration, and move on from what is, for all intents and purposes, an outlaw event.
I am pretty sure that the chap who managed to cause this accident will right now be unable to sleep at night. Not becuase of his conscience, but for fear of what will happen to him to punish him for what he's done.
I don't actually have an issue with the gumball. It isn't the gumball that killed this man, it's the selfish, self centred hedonist behind the wheel of the car that did and full responsibility for what he did lies with him, not to be diluted between him and the event.
I don't actually have an issue with the gumball. It isn't the gumball that killed this man, it's the selfish, self centred hedonist behind the wheel of the car that did and full responsibility for what he did lies with him, not to be diluted between him and the event.
More ammunition for the car haters, but some of you are trying to tarnish ALL of the gumballers with the same brush exactly what you want BRAKE not to do to us car enthusiasts so please stop. People in the past have entered in ice cream vans, 2CV and have won spirit of the gumball- not all capable of high speed. Regardless of how the accident- in my simple world- he should get punished as he is now a murderer, i don't know anything about Macedonian law so i cannot comment on the sentence to be passed down, but if you look at the sentences handed down to people who cause death by dangerous driving in this country then you know they are pathetic. I feel very sorry for the family of the the dead but as to make of what happened there are a few stories floating around but i suppose the main fact is people are dead. I am a fan of gumball, have been for a few years now and it is a sad sad day that this has happened, but i have never liked the fact that many of the participants choose to drink and party all night and not sleep- you cannot blame the organizers for this as it is people choice- many people will disagree but will say it was the Porsche drivers choice to speed- well you just answered your own disagreement.
I do seriously worry about the damage these sort of events will do to legitimate competitions. I cannot see how these event can be anyway challenging and legal at the same time. There is no way that any form of legal road based competition will see the need to exceed the speed limit anywhere in these cars, you simply cannot have any form of timing from point to point that will allow any of the high powered cars to stretch their legs, it really is as simple as that.
The Gumball is a high speed piss-up, that's all, its a hoon, its a bit of fun, its a chance to blow off steam, etc etc. I really don't believe there is any connection with any form of motorsport whatsoever.
But thats not how it is percieved in the media/by the populace, and it will damage legitimate competition.
The sad thing is, that if you've got the dough you could go and do proper stage rallying which is a terrific sport. Trouble with that is, there's no glamour and you can't buy your way to success, not in a properly competitive championship anyway.
The Gumball is a high speed piss-up, that's all, its a hoon, its a bit of fun, its a chance to blow off steam, etc etc. I really don't believe there is any connection with any form of motorsport whatsoever.
But thats not how it is percieved in the media/by the populace, and it will damage legitimate competition.
The sad thing is, that if you've got the dough you could go and do proper stage rallying which is a terrific sport. Trouble with that is, there's no glamour and you can't buy your way to success, not in a properly competitive championship anyway.
A friend of mine once crashed his car driving too fast and with too little talent or awareness on a busy main road in the town. He hit a curb, spun into a wall and flipped over two parked cars and a pavement. Luckily no one was walking along the pavement at the time... however in the car was his girlfriend and two other mates. His girlfriend hit the windshield and suffered pretty severe cuts to her face and head (she was a pretty girl btw - not that it makes a difference!). Both of my mates in the back climbed out seemingly unhurt, however less than 20 seconds later one of them collapsed with a ruptured kidney... he had to be resuccitated and was in intensive care for 2 weeks.
I went to the hospital that night and saw the driver. Whilst no one had died miraculously, he looked like he had lost the will to live - he had smashed up his girlfriends face and there was his mate lying in intensive care. And then the parents of the injured turned up...
The consequences of driving like a t
t (whether rich or poor) ON THE ROAD are just too severe.
Its tragedy to everyone involved.
ps soz, i went on a bit!
I went to the hospital that night and saw the driver. Whilst no one had died miraculously, he looked like he had lost the will to live - he had smashed up his girlfriends face and there was his mate lying in intensive care. And then the parents of the injured turned up...
The consequences of driving like a t
t (whether rich or poor) ON THE ROAD are just too severe. Its tragedy to everyone involved.
ps soz, i went on a bit!
As no-one else has posted this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/ma
Apparently the driver has been rearrested.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/ma
Apparently the driver has been rearrested.....
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