What a total ****** ****ing tossing pr*ck
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Presuming Ed said:
The problem here is not the fact that the guy has done well for himself its how this has come about.
To all those not seeing a problem here, do you think it acceptable that members of staff are not paid on time? Or are you really thinking well done for making staffs lives extra difficult just because he can.
Nobody here is begrudging the owners wealth but when you run business I'd expect the owner to have respect for his staff as a minimum. His actions show no honour or class. Good luck to you if you have the means to buy an Aston but you don't take it into work where you're not even paying the staff.
My Boss seems to have a new top end car every 6 months but then he pays me a decent wage, on time and I get rewarded for my hard work therefore chapeau to the man that feeds me.
What makes you think the staff aren't being paid??To all those not seeing a problem here, do you think it acceptable that members of staff are not paid on time? Or are you really thinking well done for making staffs lives extra difficult just because he can.
Nobody here is begrudging the owners wealth but when you run business I'd expect the owner to have respect for his staff as a minimum. His actions show no honour or class. Good luck to you if you have the means to buy an Aston but you don't take it into work where you're not even paying the staff.
My Boss seems to have a new top end car every 6 months but then he pays me a decent wage, on time and I get rewarded for my hard work therefore chapeau to the man that feeds me.
Some Gump said:
What a bunch of s
te.
If it's so easy to earn loads on other people's work, why aren't you doing it?
I don't understand the mentality that says you're unhappy withyour lot BECAUSE someone else is doing better. If you're happy with your lot, be happy. If you're not, do something to change it. If the MD had an old mondeo it wouldn't change your life whatsoever - no point in being bitter about it.
+3te.If it's so easy to earn loads on other people's work, why aren't you doing it?
I don't understand the mentality that says you're unhappy withyour lot BECAUSE someone else is doing better. If you're happy with your lot, be happy. If you're not, do something to change it. If the MD had an old mondeo it wouldn't change your life whatsoever - no point in being bitter about it.
I was going to write similar. The people at the top knew the industry, built up their business, possibly borrowing money to invest against their houses, probably worked day and night to make it work, invested their lives in it and have earnt well. They can buy with their own money whatever the hell they like.
The problem seems to be with those who have not invested their own money in businesses but have walked into highly paid jobs (proabably largely due to connections with the old pals network rather than any type of ability) We had one such utter t*sser turn up at our company who had tenuous connections with one of the management.
He became known as the pigeon manager, in that he turned up, sh*t all over the place, and then flew off at high speed after it became apparent (to the work force at least) that he was worse (Far Far worse than useless) AND he was given a massive bonus as leaving present!
The problem is with t*ssers such as this they dont have to be any good. they only have to know people in companies. If they can survive for a year or so in a company on massively high pay, and then get given cash bonuses to go, when they get found out for what they are, they are essentially getting good noney for being abject failures, whilst harder working individuals in those companies getshafted
on a regular and ongoing basis.
He became known as the pigeon manager, in that he turned up, sh*t all over the place, and then flew off at high speed after it became apparent (to the work force at least) that he was worse (Far Far worse than useless) AND he was given a massive bonus as leaving present!
The problem is with t*ssers such as this they dont have to be any good. they only have to know people in companies. If they can survive for a year or so in a company on massively high pay, and then get given cash bonuses to go, when they get found out for what they are, they are essentially getting good noney for being abject failures, whilst harder working individuals in those companies getshafted
on a regular and ongoing basis.
Some Gump said:
What a bunch of ste.
If it's so easy to earn loads on other people's work, why aren't you doing it?
I don't understand the mentality that says you're unhappy with your lot BECAUSE someone else is doing better. If you're happy with your lot, be happy. If you're not, do something to change it. If the MD had an old mondeo it wouldn't change your life whatsoever - no point in being bitter about it.
Completely agree with this.te.If it's so easy to earn loads on other people's work, why aren't you doing it?
I don't understand the mentality that says you're unhappy with your lot BECAUSE someone else is doing better. If you're happy with your lot, be happy. If you're not, do something to change it. If the MD had an old mondeo it wouldn't change your life whatsoever - no point in being bitter about it.
Envy is such an ugly thing, and often borne of laziness.
As an aside, perhaps MD has family money...perhaps his wife paid for the car, perhaps he had an inheritance, perhaps he saved up, perhaps he doens't have children moneypits, or perhaps he realised that the depreciation on a £40k Aston Martin is less than a new Ford Focus. Whichever it was - going back to the initial point, none of this is any of the OP or his mate's business!
Reminds me of an old joke;
Boss shows one of his staff his brand new 458/SLS/Avantador. Staff member looks on in admiration/envy. Boss says to staff member "and remember, if you work really really hard, show commitment & put all the hours in then this time next year, I'll have another brand new car"
Many a true word spoken in jest
Boss shows one of his staff his brand new 458/SLS/Avantador. Staff member looks on in admiration/envy. Boss says to staff member "and remember, if you work really really hard, show commitment & put all the hours in then this time next year, I'll have another brand new car"
Many a true word spoken in jest
In many cases it does not take brains to make a lot of money, only a nasty, selfish, dishonest streak
like those who exploit old people for building work they have been conned into having done. Or pimps
and drug dealers who dont care about the misery they cause. Seeing someone in flash car does necessarily mean that they have any degree of intelligence or care about others, Take those types shown in Towie for example.
like those who exploit old people for building work they have been conned into having done. Or pimps
and drug dealers who dont care about the misery they cause. Seeing someone in flash car does necessarily mean that they have any degree of intelligence or care about others, Take those types shown in Towie for example.
Conversely, the board of a company where I work are VERY in tune to this sort of thing, so as such decided they wouldn't be getting new company cars as planned this year, so they all have '08 A4 diesel.
Instead they gave themselves a cheeky 20% pay rise on the down-low and didn't tell anyone!
Nice touch!
Instead they gave themselves a cheeky 20% pay rise on the down-low and didn't tell anyone!
Nice touch!
peter pan said:
In many cases it does not take brains to make a lot of money, only a nasty, selfish, dishonest streak
like those who exploit old people for building work they have been conned into having done. Or pimps
and drug dealers who dont care about the misery they cause. Seeing someone in flash car does necessarily mean that they have any degree of intelligence or care about others, Take those types shown in Towie for example.
Yeah, having morals is a distinct disadvantage in business, look at some of the self serving toadies on the apprentice, could see them grinding up babies to make burgers if it would please "Sir Alan" and garner them some kudos, status and cash. Like Ford in the sixties working out how much it would sort the design of the Corvair so it didn't immolate its occupants in the event of a rear end collision, they predicted a certain number of incidents and played off the cost of compensation versus the cost to re-engineer the car, the compensation was cheaper so that is the option they took.like those who exploit old people for building work they have been conned into having done. Or pimps
and drug dealers who dont care about the misery they cause. Seeing someone in flash car does necessarily mean that they have any degree of intelligence or care about others, Take those types shown in Towie for example.
Nobody is perfect but I do have certain standards, I think those tradesmen that get on Watchdog or Rogue Traders need to be put in the stocks like they used to be, rather than scuttling off in a van, same at the top end, those with billions avoiding paying any tax, business needs to have some concept of enough, but generally companies are so competitive and profit focused they become monsters, look at Tesco.
Well I have just been told that in the last two months the MD has take. Out to large payments to himself £50k+ each time and his old merc he has sold to the company for the grand some of £25k when it should be worth around, 15-18k at the most! One lady has been made redundant this morning and told there is no money to pay her any redundancy and people are getting a pay cut there! To add insult to it all he is getting the work force to do work on his new houses as well. This is taking the piss a little,
The MD from what I'm told is as thick as two short planks and the only reason he has ever made any money was because of his staff working there nuts off, no pay rise in the last 6 years and nothing to say well done at Christmas, what a nice guy!
The MD from what I'm told is as thick as two short planks and the only reason he has ever made any money was because of his staff working there nuts off, no pay rise in the last 6 years and nothing to say well done at Christmas, what a nice guy!
02verco said:
The MD from what I'm told is as thick as two short planks and the only reason he has ever made any money was because of his staff working there nuts off, no pay rise in the last 6 years and nothing to say well done at Christmas, what a nice guy!
He sounds like he is a lot smarter than the others working there...A lot of angry jealous communism in this thread - should we all buy cheap cars incase it offends someone?
02verco said:
Well I have just been told that in the last two months the MD has take. Out to large payments to himself £50k+ each time and his old merc he has sold to the company for the grand some of £25k when it should be worth around, 15-18k at the most! One lady has been made redundant this morning and told there is no money to pay her any redundancy and people are getting a pay cut there! To add insult to it all he is getting the work force to do work on his new houses as well. This is taking the piss a little,
The MD from what I'm told is as thick as two short planks and the only reason he has ever made any money was because of his staff working there nuts off, no pay rise in the last 6 years and nothing to say well done at Christmas, what a nice guy!
Why do you think the company exists? Do you think it's there to provide eternal philanthropic support to it's employees? The MD from what I'm told is as thick as two short planks and the only reason he has ever made any money was because of his staff working there nuts off, no pay rise in the last 6 years and nothing to say well done at Christmas, what a nice guy!
To expect every company to be some beacon of moral righteousness is a bit, dim.
johnnyBv8 said:
Some Gump said:
What a bunch of ste.
If it's so easy to earn loads on other people's work, why aren't you doing it?
I don't understand the mentality that says you're unhappy with your lot BECAUSE someone else is doing better. If you're happy with your lot, be happy. If you're not, do something to change it. If the MD had an old mondeo it wouldn't change your life whatsoever - no point in being bitter about it.
Completely agree with this.te.If it's so easy to earn loads on other people's work, why aren't you doing it?
I don't understand the mentality that says you're unhappy with your lot BECAUSE someone else is doing better. If you're happy with your lot, be happy. If you're not, do something to change it. If the MD had an old mondeo it wouldn't change your life whatsoever - no point in being bitter about it.
Envy is such an ugly thing, and often borne of laziness.
As an aside, perhaps MD has family money...perhaps his wife paid for the car, perhaps he had an inheritance, perhaps he saved up, perhaps he doens't have children moneypits, or perhaps he realised that the depreciation on a £40k Aston Martin is less than a new Ford Focus. Whichever it was - going back to the initial point, none of this is any of the OP or his mate's business!
Management is a skill, a skill that involves managing teams of people. And to manage teams of people you need them to be on your side, to pull in the same direction as them. You need them to respect you and look up to both as a team leader and as an individual. You need to trust them because they will make your company more successful. And they need to trust you, because you will make decisions that affect their livelihoods.
Turning up in a perceived expensive car on the day you are making cutbacks is poor management. There is no excuse for it.
In fact it shows such poor management decision making that maybe, just maybe, the whole reason the company is doing badly is because that particular manager can't make good decisions.
02verco said:
The MD from what I'm told is as thick as two short planks and the only reason he has ever made any money was because of his staff working there nuts off, no pay rise in the last 6 years and nothing to say well done at Christmas, what a nice guy!
He doesn't sound "thick as two short planks" to me. He sounds pretty clever actually. Ruthless perhaps, but clever.Few people have got rich by being nice to everyone.
Granted, it's a good thing to appreciate your staff, etc but plenty of people have done very well by following the principle that if you don't want your job, then someone else will.
If you or your mate are so enraged by this, how about you build your own business and bury him? It sounds like you'd walk that by the way you're speaking....
oyster said:
All that is irrelevant.
Management is a skill, a skill that involves managing teams of people. And to manage teams of people you need them to be on your side, to pull in the same direction as them. You need them to respect you and look up to both as a team leader and as an individual. You need to trust them because they will make your company more successful. And they need to trust you, because you will make decisions that affect their livelihoods.
I was waiting for the punchline. Management is a skill, a skill that involves managing teams of people. And to manage teams of people you need them to be on your side, to pull in the same direction as them. You need them to respect you and look up to both as a team leader and as an individual. You need to trust them because they will make your company more successful. And they need to trust you, because you will make decisions that affect their livelihoods.
That's just nonsense. Plenty of companies don't achieve any of those things. They are based on the assumption that you need to earn a wage, and they need to pay you as little as possible. Fast food chains seems exist on that policy.
It may not be the most ethical practice, but I think it does work. Having read about Foxconn, it would appear that it's commonly used in China too.
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