RE: New Honda Civic Type R details
Discussion
Alfa159Ti said:
I am genuinely curious about whether some of the haters (yo) actually have any experience with paddleshifts and why they dislike them, rather than just the usual disposable comments.
I've driven quite a lot of paddle-shift cars and whilst I certainly wouldn't say I hate them, I will never buy a car that's meant to be fun to drive with a semi-automated gearbox. I don't think they're bad, I just don't like them. They take away one of the elements that I most enjoy in driving - the feeling of mechanical connection to the drive-train that you get through a well set up clutch and gear stick.I can sort of see the point of such a gearbox in a hot hatch though, since modern hot hatches seem to be more about performance and comfort than what I consider "fun" in driving.
Listening to the video, that actually sounds more like a slush-box than a clutched automatic!
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 10th September 18:21
DCLXIV said:
At least the video proves it's a manual.
i think thats ared herring though, as the soundtrack is definately a dual clutch, i've had a lap with tarquinni in a manual car and i never saw him change as quick as that shift sounded.also most dealers are saying 2014 which would sound more realistic if its testing now at the ring.
Ali_T said:
motor mad said:
The last Type-R was slated for on only having 1bhp more than the previous shape by the hopeless oaf Clarkson. Performance wise it was still more than fast enough.
It wasn't the 1bhp gain that was slated, it was the extra 150kgs that blunted it's credentials. As for being fast enough, it dropped down to being no faster than a regular Golf GTi. If that's enough for you then great, but most previous Type R owners expected more.That rev counter goes red at 7k???
Nooooooo!
Why turbocharge this? This could have been an all out final assault from a naturally aspirated VTEC. Show the whole world that the harder you rev the tats off of something the more power you can produce
What Next, Type R Diesel?
Nothing special about it at all now really. Turbocharged little engine, like a hot Vauxhall Corsa FFS
Nooooooo!
Why turbocharge this? This could have been an all out final assault from a naturally aspirated VTEC. Show the whole world that the harder you rev the tats off of something the more power you can produce
What Next, Type R Diesel?
Nothing special about it at all now really. Turbocharged little engine, like a hot Vauxhall Corsa FFS
RINGMEISTER said:
Ali_T said:
motor mad said:
The last Type-R was slated for on only having 1bhp more than the previous shape by the hopeless oaf Clarkson. Performance wise it was still more than fast enough.
It wasn't the 1bhp gain that was slated, it was the extra 150kgs that blunted it's credentials. As for being fast enough, it dropped down to being no faster than a regular Golf GTi. If that's enough for you then great, but most previous Type R owners expected more.It wasn't just CW cars that received an LSD. Around 2009 it came on the FN2 as standard.
Hoygo said:
mp3manager said:
Still fake exhausts 
motor mad said:
Alit_T not sure if you're attempting a snide comment, but the Golf GTi is my wifes car. It has five doors and is a more suitable car for our needs.
It wasn't just CW cars that received an LSD. Around 2009 it came on the FN2 as standard.
Standard cars produced (not registered) from March 2010 and all CWs/Mugen 200's got an LSD.It wasn't just CW cars that received an LSD. Around 2009 it came on the FN2 as standard.
motor mad said:
Alit_T not sure if you're attempting a snide comment, but the Golf GTi is my wifes car. It has five doors and is a more suitable car for our needs.
Didn't know you had one. Just that the GTi is the generic hot hatch. The EP3 stood out by being faster and rawer than it, but tge FN2 tried too hard to be as refined as the Golf and lost its way as a result. Even the EP3 wasn't that great. They'd lost the front wishbones and LSD for that and mine was pretty rubbish, in hindsight, bar the drivetrain. The RX8 I followed it with was far better.Alfa159Ti said:
Do those of you banging out the good ol' PH anti-paddle shift rhetoric actually have any experience with them?
I was previously a manual purist and avoided autos like the plague having driven a few bad slush boxes.
Then a knee injury pushed me towards an Auto Z4 Coupe with paddles.
Whilst my knees have now recovered, I won't be going back to a manual any time soon.
Full auto round town is so much more relaxing, whilst full manual on the paddles is more engaging and intuitive than any manual box I have driven on a good back road.
Best of both worlds.
I think you make a good case for it. I have driven quite a few paddle-shift and sequential track boxes. Far easier in the braking zone, no question. But to me it's still not the best of both worlds on a road car as I really miss the mechanical feel of the lever at the end of my arm and the challenge of getting it right (occasionally) when under pressure and under high lateral Gs, while minimising the time that my hand spends away from the wheel. I just wish manufacturers could carry on offering a choice.I was previously a manual purist and avoided autos like the plague having driven a few bad slush boxes.
Then a knee injury pushed me towards an Auto Z4 Coupe with paddles.
Whilst my knees have now recovered, I won't be going back to a manual any time soon.
Full auto round town is so much more relaxing, whilst full manual on the paddles is more engaging and intuitive than any manual box I have driven on a good back road.
Best of both worlds.
Alfa159Ti said:
Do those of you banging out the good ol' PH anti-paddle shift rhetoric actually have any experience with them?
I was previously a manual purist and avoided autos like the plague having driven a few bad slush boxes.
Then a knee injury pushed me towards an Auto Z4 Coupe with paddles.
Whilst my knees have now recovered, I won't be going back to a manual any time soon.
Full auto round town is so much more relaxing, whilst full manual on the paddles is more engaging and intuitive than any manual box I have driven on a good back road.
Best of both worlds.
I think you make a good case for it. I have driven quite a few paddle-shift and sequential track boxes. Far easier in the braking zone, no question. But to me it's still not the best of both worlds on a road car as I really miss the mechanical feel of the lever at the end of my arm and the challenge of getting it right (occasionally) when under pressure and under high lateral Gs, while minimising the time that my hand spends away from the wheel. I just wish manufacturers could carry on offering a choice.I was previously a manual purist and avoided autos like the plague having driven a few bad slush boxes.
Then a knee injury pushed me towards an Auto Z4 Coupe with paddles.
Whilst my knees have now recovered, I won't be going back to a manual any time soon.
Full auto round town is so much more relaxing, whilst full manual on the paddles is more engaging and intuitive than any manual box I have driven on a good back road.
Best of both worlds.
motor mad said:
Alit_T not sure if you're attempting a snide comment, but the Golf GTi is my wifes car. It has five doors and is a more suitable car for our needs.
Didn't know you had one. Just that the GTi is the generic hot hatch. The EP3 stood out by being faster and rawer than it, but tge FN2 tried too hard to be as refined as the Golf and lost its way as a result. Even the EP3 wasn't that great. They'd lost the front wishbones and LSD for that and mine was pretty rubbish, in hindsight, bar the drivetrain. The RX8 I followed it with was far better.Is this coming with a paddle shift as well, is this what im reading?
If they have developed it with Borg Warner, Aisin or anyone like that than that's just another blow. Honda used to stick their fingers up at automatic transmission licencing fees and simply made their own units in house, hence the Hondamatic.
My EJ series is starting to look so much better as a drivers package, and looks to a time when Honda was genuinely different (For the Better)
If they have developed it with Borg Warner, Aisin or anyone like that than that's just another blow. Honda used to stick their fingers up at automatic transmission licencing fees and simply made their own units in house, hence the Hondamatic.
My EJ series is starting to look so much better as a drivers package, and looks to a time when Honda was genuinely different (For the Better)
otolith said:
Shame - I was hoping it would be a 1.6 turbo which would likey mean a higher readline (8k+) to get 280ish bhp.And I hope it doesn't sound like that, sounds more like a playstation than a K20
i4 turbo isn't the end of the world, my Megane RS sounds pretty good if a bit quiet.
MarkRSi said:
Shame - I was hoping it would be a 1.6 turbo which would likey mean a higher readline (8k+) to get 280ish bhp.
And I hope it doesn't sound like that, sounds more like a playstation than a K20
i4 turbo isn't the end of the world, my Megane RS sounds pretty good if a bit quiet.
Inline 4 isn't the problem, infact it's part of the philosophy which by the looks of this model is now over.And I hope it doesn't sound like that, sounds more like a playstation than a K20
i4 turbo isn't the end of the world, my Megane RS sounds pretty good if a bit quiet.
A 1.6 would not have made a difference to the redline, the reciprocating mass of a 2.0 would not prevent it from hitting up to 10k as it does in the S2000. I think it's clear the 7k redline is to blame on the turbocharger which like all turbo's will have a limited range
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