"Mainstream" Supercars

[300bhp/ton]

kambites said:

The question was clearly meant to be "which mainstream badges have appeared on supercars?".

Fair do

Although I suspect the answer is still, almost all of them.

[anonymous-user]

....and back OT

Renault? (Alpine)

[otolith]

zebra said:

Lets not get side tracked into the usual 300bhp/ton arguments.

If we are including the Esprit, should we also be considering the Evora?

Only the Evora S, according to Goodwood;

http://www.goodwood.co.uk/downloads/grrc-docs/2013...

But the V6 Exige probably has a better claim than any Evora.

[Zod]

samvia said:

[Tuvra]

What about extreme versions of non-supercars? e.g.:

[300bhp/ton]

Does it need to be a production, or just concept?

[zebra]

Production.

[300bhp/ton]

I guess this should count really:




Bear with me on this....

Lets not forget that the engine in thie 6R4 can also be found in the XJ220 (which is already on this list).

Also in the 6R4's defence, it only 'cosmetically' resembles a Metro and they built around 200 between 1984 and 1987 and sold to the public for around £40,000 each.

If the 6R4 doesn't count, then neither should the BMW M1, which BMW only built 209 examples of, between 78 and 81. But the crux is, the M1 was built for the reasons as the 6R4 was:

"In the late 1970s, Italian manufacturer Lamborghini entered into an agreement with BMW to build a production racing car in sufficient quantity for homologation, but conflicts arose that prompted BMW to produce the car themselves"

[anonymous-user]

The M1 is easily defined as a supercar. The 6R4 is, to use your terminology, 'a tarted up shopping car'

[300bhp/ton]

yonex said:

The M1 is easily defined as a supercar. The 6R4 is, to use your terminology, 'a tarted up shopping car'

But the M1 was 100% built for homologation. It was not built with the same intentions that a 308GTB or even the XJ220 was.

The 6R4 was also built for 100% homologation reasons, it just happened they decided to brand it Metro. A sleeker body and different name wouldn't alter the car or why it existed, but that's all the BMW is by comparison.

[hoegaardenruls]

300bhp/ton said:

ut the M1 was 100% built for homologation. It was not built with the same intentions that a 308GTB or even the XJ220 was.

The 6R4 was also built for 100% homologation reasons, it just happened they decided to brand it Metro. A sleeker body and different name wouldn't alter the car or why it existed, but that's all the BMW is by comparison.

Does this also bring the Ford RS200 into the argument, as with any homologation special?

[anonymous-user]

300bhp/ton said:

ut the M1 was 100% built for homologation. It was not built with the same intentions that a 308GTB or even the XJ220 was.

The 6R4 was also built for 100% homologation reasons, it just happened they decided to brand it Metro. A sleeker body and different name wouldn't alter the car or why it existed, but that's all the BMW is by comparison.

Why does the fact that it was built for homologation stop it from being in the list of Mainstream supercars? It was homologated for sports car racing not rallying. A rally car is not a supercar, a fact that 99.9% of people will agree on.

[300bhp/ton]

hoegaardenruls said:

300bhp/ton said:

ut the M1 was 100% built for homologation. It was not built with the same intentions that a 308GTB or even the XJ220 was.

The 6R4 was also built for 100% homologation reasons, it just happened they decided to brand it Metro. A sleeker body and different name wouldn't alter the car or why it existed, but that's all the BMW is by comparison.

Does this also bring the Ford RS200 into the argument, as with any homologation special?

Well it is a "super" car IMO And in it's day certainly had the looks, layout and performance of any contemporary supercar and a similar price tag.


I guess the stumbling block is, something like the M1 looks "curvy" and I suspect more to what most people think a supercar should look like. The RS200, 6R4 and others all look rather more 'ordinary' car on steroids than sleek and pretty.




Here's another one for the list anyhow:

[shielsy]

[br d]

shielsy said:

I doubt there is even one public road in the UK you could drive that car on without destroying that front lip.

[MarshPhantom]

Fiat Dino

[steviegunn]

Just to clarify, by Mainstrean I meant at least medium volume manufacturers who normally sell run of the mill hatchbacks, saloons and estates, Merc CLK GTR and Jag XJR-15 are perfect examples as Mercedes and Jaguar aren't specialised Supercar or even Sportscar manufacturers.

I didn't mean Ferrari even if they are owned by FIAT, Ferrari make more Supercars than normal cars (don't make any normal cars in fact), not the other way round, of course when you can buy a Fiat 458 Italia that would count, think of it as "Blue Collar" or "Working Class" Supercars.

Also I was thinking of including cars homologated for racing rather than rallying and should have production road versions so no concepts (though the Nissan R390 was limited to two road cars). No tuner cars, as they leave the factory of the Mainstream manufacturer.

Edited by steviegunn on Monday 16th September 18:21

[steviegunn]

Updated list:

Alfa Romeo 8C
Alfa Romeo Montreal
Audi R8 V10
BMW 850
BMW M1
BMW Z8
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
Chrysler/Dodge Viper
Fiat Dino
Ford GT40
Ford GT
Honda NSX
Jaguar E-Type
Jaguar XJ220
Jaguar XJR-15
Lancia Stratos
Lexus LFA
Mazda RX-7
Mercedes 300SL Gullwing
Mercedes CLK GTR
Mercedes SLS
MG SV
Nissan GTR
Nissan R390
Renault A610/GTA
Toyota 2000GT
Toyota Supra Twin Turbo

[Skylinecrazy]

If the supra is a supercar that means the R34 GTR skyline is a supercar.

[Steff1965]

Cadillac CTS-V?