Brake want to ban hands free phones
Discussion
chrisgtx said:
Just seen the sky news report,have 1/2 million people been done for using a mobile phone?.
On the Propoganda Channel (sorry, BBC 'breakfast') it was stated that 1/2 a million people have 3 points on their licence for driving while distracted... (What is the offence code for "driving while distracted"?? 
)Mind you, the point was also made that passengers in the car will be 'contextually aware' and will stop talking if the driver is performing a tricky manoeuvre (for example) whereas someone on the other end of the phone will just keep talking... (Not sure that kids in the car will keep schtumm when conditions dictate though
).Brake as usual are demonstrating how good their publicity team are and as usual are treating the symptom not the illness.
There is an immanent green paper due on young drivers but again the gubberment are going with the self interest parties like minimum 100 hours driver training suggested by driving instructors, I wonder why and the insurance co's wanting a night time curfew.
The answer is good early driver training that includes attitude, starting with primary school kids walking to school and ending with geriatrics not willing to give up the keys.
perhaps Reginald Molehusband and the green cross man need reintroducing.
There is an immanent green paper due on young drivers but again the gubberment are going with the self interest parties like minimum 100 hours driver training suggested by driving instructors, I wonder why and the insurance co's wanting a night time curfew.
The answer is good early driver training that includes attitude, starting with primary school kids walking to school and ending with geriatrics not willing to give up the keys.
perhaps Reginald Molehusband and the green cross man need reintroducing.
It now has an advocate 
http://news.sky.com/story/1170006/mobile-phones-in...
I'm a little perplexed as to how talking hands-free is any different to talking to someone in the back seat whilst driving though?
http://news.sky.com/story/1170006/mobile-phones-in...
I'm a little perplexed as to how talking hands-free is any different to talking to someone in the back seat whilst driving though?
Being discussed here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Ah Brake, that paragon of motoring common sense and statistics.
I particularly like:
"Brake also highlighted research that shows mobile phone use while driving, along with eating, drinking and smoking, is proven to increase the risk of an accident."
Maybe they should add breathing to the list. Statistically, 99% of people who had an accident were breathing prior to crashing. That s
t should be BANNED.
I particularly like:
"Brake also highlighted research that shows mobile phone use while driving, along with eating, drinking and smoking, is proven to increase the risk of an accident."
Maybe they should add breathing to the list. Statistically, 99% of people who had an accident were breathing prior to crashing. That s
t should be BANNED.
aarondbs said:
I love that....statistics are brilliant when used to support whatever argument you want.
They are the refuge of the stupid or the soon to be hoaxed. Statistics replaced thought and common sense a long time ago.
Disagree there - nowt wrong with statistics as long as they are interpreted correctly and properly understood. Common sense isn't always that good a barometer either... it's interpreting the risk that is important so maybe stats and analysis should be taught in greater detail to all school pupils? They are the refuge of the stupid or the soon to be hoaxed. Statistics replaced thought and common sense a long time ago.
mikeyr said:
aarondbs said:
I love that....statistics are brilliant when used to support whatever argument you want.
They are the refuge of the stupid or the soon to be hoaxed. Statistics replaced thought and common sense a long time ago.
Disagree there - nowt wrong with statistics as long as they are interpreted correctly and properly understood. Common sense isn't always that good a barometer either... it's interpreting the risk that is important so maybe stats and analysis should be taught in greater detail to all school pupils? They are the refuge of the stupid or the soon to be hoaxed. Statistics replaced thought and common sense a long time ago.
People are far too illiterate when it comes to stats. Teaching 'Critical Thinking' in schools wouldn't go amiss either.
[quote]Motorists should stop using their mobile phones when driving even if they have hands-free systems, according to road safety campaigners.
The advice comes from Brake as it released new figures at the start of Road Safety Week which show more than half a million drivers have points on their licence for using a mobile at the wheel or being otherwise distracted.
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Umm so what use is banning hands free use if people are ignoring the holding a phone law?
And how would anyone even know if you are on hands free or just speaking to yourself?
Not going to happen
The advice comes from Brake as it released new figures at the start of Road Safety Week which show more than half a million drivers have points on their licence for using a mobile at the wheel or being otherwise distracted.
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Umm so what use is banning hands free use if people are ignoring the holding a phone law?
And how would anyone even know if you are on hands free or just speaking to yourself?
Not going to happen
And a ban on handsfree phones in cars is enforceable how exactly?
How would anyone even know?
It`s actually the already overstretched Police who have to try and enforce this st I feel sorry for, same with the Middle Lane law, stupid and practically unenforceable.
It`s easy enough to prove, after an accident, if the person was using a phone at the time using witnesses/phone records if required.
For clarity, I am totally opposed to using handheld devices whilst driving, especially messaging etc, handsfree voice calls I have no issue with.
How would anyone even know?
It`s actually the already overstretched Police who have to try and enforce this s
t I feel sorry for, same with the Middle Lane law, stupid and practically unenforceable.It`s easy enough to prove, after an accident, if the person was using a phone at the time using witnesses/phone records if required.
For clarity, I am totally opposed to using handheld devices whilst driving, especially messaging etc, handsfree voice calls I have no issue with.
Devil2575 said:
I agree. Stats used properly are an excellent tool and far better than "common sense" which is frequently shouted when there is no evidence to support your view.
People are far too illiterate when it comes to stats. Teaching 'Critical Thinking' in schools wouldn't go amiss either.
Statistics are fine when applied appropriately by the body publishing them.People are far too illiterate when it comes to stats. Teaching 'Critical Thinking' in schools wouldn't go amiss either.
Unfortunately, when a group of people want to get their own way on an issue, do you think they are going to publish statistics which don't back up their PoV or maybe "massage" them so that they may do? Worse, they may take an unrepresentative sample which completely backs up their PoV, appears to be statistically relevant but is, in fact, b
ks? All of these are common occurrences across the board both in business and government.The problem is on both sides of the fence.
...I find a BJ quite distracting at 80mph 
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