£1500 4x4. Me again, Would a P38 Range rover be in range...

[_Batty_]

100% get a 4.0 grand Cherokee. Loved mine. But go for one with LPG. They like a drop or two.
Ok interior, leather is more plastic that cow, get a limited with all the toys.

[silverback mike]

Would you say Grand Cherokee over standard Cherokee?

[billzeebub]

Definitely the Jeep over a LandRover product at this price level. If you don't need the ground clearance maybe look at a Subaru Legacy/Forester

[silverback mike]

I'll focus on the Jeep side of things then.
And living where I do the ground clearance is needed really, it's certainly not an urban tractor

[schmalex]

silverback mike said:

Would you say Grand Cherokee over standard Cherokee?

IIRC, the standard Cherokee sits on leaf springs, whereas the GC is on coils, so will be a more comfortable ride and the GC is often better equipped (especially in Orvis spec) and slightly more modern. Although, having said that, I've often been tempted to swap my S3 Landy for a Cherokee....

[_Batty_]

schmalex said:

IIRC, the standard Cherokee sits on leaf springs, whereas the GC is on coils, so will be a more comfortable ride and the GC is often better equipped (especially in Orvis spec) and slightly more modern. Although, having said that, I've often been tempted to swap my S3 Landy for a Cherokee....

Yup.
the Grand sits on coils all round and is permanent 4x4 with some clever diffs (Quadra Drive) and is very capable off road. The Cherokee is a bit of a throw back, with selectable 2wd and 4wd, it also has cart rear springs.
The Grand is more unfashionable than the Cherokee and therefore IMHO offers better value for money.
With all jeeps the rear diff/axel is the weak point, as is rust. Mechanics and engines are bomb proof (ignore the useless Diesel versions)

Edited to say just go for a 'Limited' Grand.

[300bhp/ton]

_Batty_ said:

schmalex said:

IIRC, the standard Cherokee sits on leaf springs, whereas the GC is on coils, so will be a more comfortable ride and the GC is often better equipped (especially in Orvis spec) and slightly more modern. Although, having said that, I've often been tempted to swap my S3 Landy for a Cherokee....

Yup.
the Grand sits on coils all round and is permanent 4x4 with some clever diffs (Quadra Drive) and is very capable off road. The Cherokee is a bit of a throw back, with selectable 2wd and 4wd, it also has cart rear springs.
The Grand is more unfashionable than the Cherokee and therefore IMHO offers better value for money.
With all jeeps the rear diff/axel is the weak point, as is rust. Mechanics and engines are bomb proof (ignore the useless Diesel versions)

Edited to say just go for a 'Limited' Grand.

Some Cherokee's use the same transfer box as the GC, so you can 4wd on the road or 2wd. The 2.5p and diesel ones however didn't have the centre diff, so are 2wd for normal road use.

Yes the Cherokee uses leaf springs at the back, but it rides perfectly fine. It is smaller and lighter than a GC, so faster and more nimble if quipped with the same engine and slightly better on fuel.

My 4.0 Cherokee easily would do 21-23mpg on a run. Although pottering about a lot less.

A Grand is basically a model up, more comfort and more kit and optional V8 engines.

[chippy17]

TwistingMyMelon said:

Legacy outback would be my choice

or a Forester

[Censorious]

300bhp/ton said:

Some Cherokee's use the same transfer box as the GC, so you can 4wd on the road or 2wd. The 2.5p and diesel ones however didn't have the centre diff, so are 2wd for normal road use.

Yes the Cherokee uses leaf springs at the back, but it rides perfectly fine. It is smaller and lighter than a GC, so faster and more nimble if quipped with the same engine and slightly better on fuel.

My 4.0 Cherokee easily would do 21-23mpg on a run. Although pottering about a lot less.

A Grand is basically a model up, more comfort and more kit and optional V8 engines.

My old 4.0 Limited Cherokee was pretty spritely, took a lot people by surprise when pulling away.

As you say, ride comfort was good too.

I prefer the traditional boxy Cherokee to the Grand personally, it's timeless and purposeful.

What are the diesel engined versions like, good lump or not?

[Censorious]

300bhp/ton said:

Censorious said:

Have a good read and absorb before posting, perhaps?

Why are you so obtuse today?

Surely obtuse was you selectively editing my post so it said something slightly different and then moaning about it. BTW that was yesterday....

Good to see you are back to normal today then

[300bhp/ton]

Censorious said:

My old 4.0 Limited Cherokee was pretty spritely, took a lot people by surprise when pulling away.

As you say, ride comfort was good too.

I prefer the traditional boxy Cherokee to the Grand personally, it's timeless and purposeful.

What are the diesel engined versions like, good lump or not?

Yep, clocked my Cherokee at about 8 sec 0-60mph and it'd shoot up to 100mph and stick ahead of a diesel Focus MK2 with ease, or a TDV6 Disco3.


The diesel Cherokee has a bad rep sadly, it's a 2.5 VM unit. That in truth actually drives nicer than a Tdi Land Rover. But parts supply can be an issue and head gasket issues. That said, we had a factory 2.5 VM powered Range Rover (on an 89 plate) and it was brilliant and ran rings around Tdi's.

[edc]

Had an 02 Grand Cherokee and a 97 P38. I much preferred the P38.

[Censorious]

300bhp/ton said:

Yep, clocked my Cherokee at about 8 sec 0-60mph and it'd shoot up to 100mph and stick ahead of a diesel Focus MK2 with ease, or a TDV6 Disco3.


The diesel Cherokee has a bad rep sadly, it's a 2.5 VM unit. That in truth actually drives nicer than a Tdi Land Rover. But parts supply can be an issue and head gasket issues. That said, we had a factory 2.5 VM powered Range Rover (on an 89 plate) and it was brilliant and ran rings around Tdi's.

I can see now, that must be why people are saying go for a petrol on LPG rather than to buy a diesel.

Thanks for the info.

[silverback mike]

Lots of good comments here chaps thank you

I have refined the search to Jeep products, and LPG.

I'll keep you posted......


Mind you, knowing me I'll end up with something stupid like a TVR ....

[_Batty_]

silverback mike said:

Lots of good comments here chaps thank you

I have refined the search to Jeep products, and LPG.

I'll keep you posted......


Mind you, knowing me I'll end up with something stupid like a TVR ....

Mike just a quick pointer if you do fancy something silly, the 4.7 V8 is a brilliant motor, with same mpg as the 4.0(ish) *but* beware of the LPG versions. They need a *flash lube* system to stop the valves burning out and some of the systems do not include this. Make sure it says 'dual fuel' on the v5 and has and a LPG cert for its installation as some insurance companies require this.
M

[edo]

I helped a mate buy a 4.0 GC a few years back It was a shed, (about 2k IIRC) I was horrified. He ran it for 2 years, it cost nothing and he sold it for what he bought it for.

[edo]

Private seller so should get close.



Newer 4.7 and just MOT'd.
Cars in the background hint at a bit of a PH.

Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7 V8 Limited 5dr Auto
85396 miles
Mot to 5/12/2014, BLACK, Electric sunroof, Electric windows, Air conditioning, CD player, Leather trim, Heated seats, Height adjustable driver's seat, Height adjustable passenger seat, Folding rear seats, Alloy wheels, Power steering, Steering wheel rake adjustment, Cruise control, Roof rails, Central locking, Immobiliser, Driver's airbags. £2,000

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...

[Super Slo Mo]

_Batty_ said:

Make sure it says 'dual fuel' on the v5 and has and a LPG cert for its installation as some insurance companies require this.
M

My experience of the last year or so suggests that all insurance companies now want the LPG cert. I was misled slightly when I bought my Disco a year ago, as it didn't have one.
Getting one isn't too difficult if the system has been fitted properly, but it's around £100 to have it inspected and an online certificate issued. I had to add additional straps to my tanks as the rules had tightened a bit since my LPG kit was installed, apparently.

[silverback mike]

Excellent advice, thanks again. Must admit looks wise I'm leaning towards a cherokee and for the amount of miles I will be doing in it wondering if LPG is a necessity.

The hunt is on.... I've emailed a chap near me in Bristol with a green cherokee for £1500 that is on ebay so will see how it pans out...

[Challo]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

I know its not LPGd yet, but for £1250 this looks like a corker:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1997-Jeep-Cherokee-4-0-L...

Haggle down to £1k, spend £200ish on the import leaving you with £300 to put towards a 2nd hand LPG kit.

68k miles really is low for one of these, and a Jersey car will likely have been looked after very nicely.

How much would a 2nd hand LPG kit cost to install against say something brand new? Is there much difference in it?