£490 road tax, does it put you off?
Discussion
What the government seem to fail to grasp is that putting it on fuel means that they get MORE revenue from the £30 a year brigade who won't notice it so much and MORE from the users of big-engined cars who are not paying once but constantly for their use.
It also means that the used car market gets skewed because the original intention to "tax the rich" filters down so that cars become unsaleable.
It also means that the used car market gets skewed because the original intention to "tax the rich" filters down so that cars become unsaleable.
It did and then I thought sod it, the way I do it is to put £40 or so away each month so it isnt a big impact when it arrives, the govt have nicked my idea and now are going to be offereing Direct Debit.
I speak to people spending 20 or 30 grand on a car wibbling on about them being £200 odd to tax and expressing grave concerns about my £490 and 20 mpg thirst for Super Unleaded, completely missing the point that mine isnt really depreciating, seeing as I got it at a very good price, certainly less than their semi premium german BrownMotion (tm) diesel thing (it does 60 mpg, well, one did once, downhill, behind a truck), they completely overlook the fact they have to send it in to be washed at a cost of £300 each year and when they trade it in for the BrownMotion 2 (tm) version that does 65.7 mpg (in reality 43 on a good day) and also overlook that they lose ten grand in three years saving a few quid on fuel, some people I know do 8k a year and claim massive savings. I look at the whole cost versus the enjoyment and I dotn get off on mpg figures.
I can afford it, I dont use it every day and have other cars, plus it is the difference, not £490 in most cases as realitically I wouldtn be buying a eco car, it would be another performance one, a Z4 3.0 for example is £280 or so to tax, even after 2006, so I pay another £210, woop de do.
I also think, im 43, what am I saving for, retirement, doing that as well, the kids, well the lazy little feckers need to make their own way at some point, the planet, I cycle a lot of the time, my 3k a year isnt a problem when I see jumbos flying over every ten minutes.
What was the point of college, exams, courses and all that work to get to a decent salary and then bimble round in something I hate to save maybe a grand a year in fuel and tax, we have a Citroen C1 as well, I dont mind it but it would crush my spirit if it was my only choice, its great for shopping and nipping about but as an only car, no thanks.
Its funny how a 350Z is a bit middle of the road on here but most of the public see it as a evil thirsty beast, I want to go bigger, faster whilst I am still here, whilst I can afford it, whilst we are still allowed to.
Dont faff about worrying about "Road tax", resolve to earn more, work harder, stop drinking, stop smoking, cancel Sky TV, make your missus work, send the kids up chimneys, cut off all those gym memberships as you never go, suck it up and just pay for it !
Remember, as well, you probably save ten times that on the car you buy secondhand as the rest of the muppets fight like zombies over a fresh corpse over a 2008 Polo 1.4 Tdi.
I speak to people spending 20 or 30 grand on a car wibbling on about them being £200 odd to tax and expressing grave concerns about my £490 and 20 mpg thirst for Super Unleaded, completely missing the point that mine isnt really depreciating, seeing as I got it at a very good price, certainly less than their semi premium german BrownMotion (tm) diesel thing (it does 60 mpg, well, one did once, downhill, behind a truck), they completely overlook the fact they have to send it in to be washed at a cost of £300 each year and when they trade it in for the BrownMotion 2 (tm) version that does 65.7 mpg (in reality 43 on a good day) and also overlook that they lose ten grand in three years saving a few quid on fuel, some people I know do 8k a year and claim massive savings. I look at the whole cost versus the enjoyment and I dotn get off on mpg figures.
I can afford it, I dont use it every day and have other cars, plus it is the difference, not £490 in most cases as realitically I wouldtn be buying a eco car, it would be another performance one, a Z4 3.0 for example is £280 or so to tax, even after 2006, so I pay another £210, woop de do.
I also think, im 43, what am I saving for, retirement, doing that as well, the kids, well the lazy little feckers need to make their own way at some point, the planet, I cycle a lot of the time, my 3k a year isnt a problem when I see jumbos flying over every ten minutes.
What was the point of college, exams, courses and all that work to get to a decent salary and then bimble round in something I hate to save maybe a grand a year in fuel and tax, we have a Citroen C1 as well, I dont mind it but it would crush my spirit if it was my only choice, its great for shopping and nipping about but as an only car, no thanks.
Its funny how a 350Z is a bit middle of the road on here but most of the public see it as a evil thirsty beast, I want to go bigger, faster whilst I am still here, whilst I can afford it, whilst we are still allowed to.
Dont faff about worrying about "Road tax", resolve to earn more, work harder, stop drinking, stop smoking, cancel Sky TV, make your missus work, send the kids up chimneys, cut off all those gym memberships as you never go, suck it up and just pay for it !
Remember, as well, you probably save ten times that on the car you buy secondhand as the rest of the muppets fight like zombies over a fresh corpse over a 2008 Polo 1.4 Tdi.
Edited by J4CKO on Friday 20th December 10:12
Move to Ireland (no actually, don't) then you can moan about car tax.
My car over there (Ford Galaxy 2.3 petrol) would be £850!!! (£280 over here)
The Celica would be £538!!
Madness.
Isn't there a plan to make VED payable monthly? That will take the edge of it slightly but it still grates somewhat.
My car over there (Ford Galaxy 2.3 petrol) would be £850!!! (£280 over here)
The Celica would be £538!!
Madness.
Isn't there a plan to make VED payable monthly? That will take the edge of it slightly but it still grates somewhat.
budfox said:
I resent road tax in general. Why base the cost on emission levels at all? Chuck it on fuel, job done. There really is no argument against that these days.
It'll never happen...think of all those weekend cars people have on here,they'll never make the money equivilant of the ved on the fuel alone.J4CKO said:
It did and then I thought sod it, the way I do it is to put £40 or so away each month so it isnt a big impact when it arrives, the govt have nicked my idea and now are going to be offereing Direct Debit.
I speak to people spending 20 or 30 grand on a car wibbling on about them being £200 odd to tax and expressing grave concerns about my £490 and 20 mpg thirst for Super Unleaded, completely missing the point that mine isnt really depreciating, seeing as I got it at a very good price, certainly less than their semi premium german BrownMotion (tm) diesel thing (it does 60 mpg, well, one did once, downhill, behind a truck), they completely overlook the fact they have to send it in to be washed at a cost of £300 each year and when they trade it in for the BrownMotion 2 (tm) version that does 65.7 mpg (in reality 43 on a good day) and also overlook that they lose ten grand in three years saving a few quid on fuel, some people I know do 8k a year and claim massive savings. I look at the whole cost versus the enjoyment and I dotn get off on mpg figures.
I can afford it, I dont use it every day and have other cars, plus it is the difference, not £490 in most cases as realitically I wouldtn be buying a eco car, it would be another performance one, a Z4 3.0 for example is £280 or so to tax, even after 2006, so I pay another £210, woop de do.
I also think, im 43, what am I saving for, retirement, doing that as well, the kids, well the lazy little feckers need to make their own way at some point, the planet, I cycle a lot of the time, my 3k a year isnt a problem when I see jumbos flying over every ten minutes.
What was the point of college, exams, courses and all that work to get to a decent salary and then bimble round in something I hate to save maybe a grand a year in fuel and tax, we have a Citroen C1 as well, I dont mind it but it would crush my spirit if it was my only choice, its great for shopping and nipping about but as an only car, no thanks.
Its funny how a 350Z is a bit middle of the road on here but most of the public see it as a evil thirsty beast, I want to go bigger, faster whilst I am still here, whilst I can afford it, whilst we are still allowed to.
Dont faff about worrying about "Road tax", resolve to earn more, work harder, stop drinking, stop smoking, cancel Sky TV, make your missus work, send the kids up chimneys, cut off all those gym memberships as you never go, suck it up and just pay for it !
Remember, as well, you probably save ten times that on the car you buy secondhand as the rest of the muppets fight like zombies over a fresh corpse over a 2008 Polo 1.4 Tdi.
My sentiments exactly.I speak to people spending 20 or 30 grand on a car wibbling on about them being £200 odd to tax and expressing grave concerns about my £490 and 20 mpg thirst for Super Unleaded, completely missing the point that mine isnt really depreciating, seeing as I got it at a very good price, certainly less than their semi premium german BrownMotion (tm) diesel thing (it does 60 mpg, well, one did once, downhill, behind a truck), they completely overlook the fact they have to send it in to be washed at a cost of £300 each year and when they trade it in for the BrownMotion 2 (tm) version that does 65.7 mpg (in reality 43 on a good day) and also overlook that they lose ten grand in three years saving a few quid on fuel, some people I know do 8k a year and claim massive savings. I look at the whole cost versus the enjoyment and I dotn get off on mpg figures.
I can afford it, I dont use it every day and have other cars, plus it is the difference, not £490 in most cases as realitically I wouldtn be buying a eco car, it would be another performance one, a Z4 3.0 for example is £280 or so to tax, even after 2006, so I pay another £210, woop de do.
I also think, im 43, what am I saving for, retirement, doing that as well, the kids, well the lazy little feckers need to make their own way at some point, the planet, I cycle a lot of the time, my 3k a year isnt a problem when I see jumbos flying over every ten minutes.
What was the point of college, exams, courses and all that work to get to a decent salary and then bimble round in something I hate to save maybe a grand a year in fuel and tax, we have a Citroen C1 as well, I dont mind it but it would crush my spirit if it was my only choice, its great for shopping and nipping about but as an only car, no thanks.
Its funny how a 350Z is a bit middle of the road on here but most of the public see it as a evil thirsty beast, I want to go bigger, faster whilst I am still here, whilst I can afford it, whilst we are still allowed to.
Dont faff about worrying about "Road tax", resolve to earn more, work harder, stop drinking, stop smoking, cancel Sky TV, make your missus work, send the kids up chimneys, cut off all those gym memberships as you never go, suck it up and just pay for it !
Remember, as well, you probably save ten times that on the car you buy secondhand as the rest of the muppets fight like zombies over a fresh corpse over a 2008 Polo 1.4 Tdi.
Edited by J4CKO on Friday 20th December 10:12
contractor said:
no, because over the course of a year I'll:
a: lose more down the sofa
b: spend more on takeout food
c: it's only a month's worth of petrol
d: it's less than my insurance excess
e: if I sell the car I get a portion of it back
You're a richer man than me.a: lose more down the sofa
b: spend more on takeout food
c: it's only a month's worth of petrol
d: it's less than my insurance excess
e: if I sell the car I get a portion of it back
a: I certainly don't drop nearly a tenner a week down my sofa.
b: Are you going to stop spending that on takeout food? No. It's like saying you spend more on holidays or alcohol - you'll still do those things c: As above really. To me, £500 isn't 'only' anything
d: Not sure how this is relevant. An insurance excess isn't something you use every year (unless you're Frank Spencer)
e: What if you don't sell it?
I'm not trying to troll you, or pick fault with your comments or money choices, I'm just relating your comments to me.
£500 a year is a s
tload of money. Could I justify it on road tax? Hell no, not when I could get something still fun for less. I can think of a lot better things to put £500 towards than a car.However, if you have enough disposable income to be able to pay it then crack on
It shouldn't put me off but it has in the past. My car is an 06 WRX and I was lucky enough to have had it registered just a few weeks before the tax price rise date so it costs me £280 a year instead of £490.
12 months after buying it the dealer contacted me and offered to give me another identical car in replace of mine for just a single one off payment of £1000. I would have had a delivery mileage car rather than one with 14k on the clock but on an 07 plate. Sounds like a good deal and I almost took it but the additional cost of the tax was one of the things that stopped me. The car was always a long term purchase for me so it didn't seem worth while just to have a car with less miles and 12 months younger for the grand plus the additional annual cost.
I don't think it would stop me purchasing a new car now as the extra £200 would be part of the ownership cost and a small part at that for the cars I am interested in. It does pain me though as the government will use any excuse to feed their greed and I hate to give in to their demands for my hard earned cash!!
12 months after buying it the dealer contacted me and offered to give me another identical car in replace of mine for just a single one off payment of £1000. I would have had a delivery mileage car rather than one with 14k on the clock but on an 07 plate. Sounds like a good deal and I almost took it but the additional cost of the tax was one of the things that stopped me. The car was always a long term purchase for me so it didn't seem worth while just to have a car with less miles and 12 months younger for the grand plus the additional annual cost.
I don't think it would stop me purchasing a new car now as the extra £200 would be part of the ownership cost and a small part at that for the cars I am interested in. It does pain me though as the government will use any excuse to feed their greed and I hate to give in to their demands for my hard earned cash!!
KTF said:
deltashad said:
This heavily influences my car purchases. I refuse to pay this.
Same for me. As nice as the car may be, I refuse to hand over this amount.Sure its reflected in the price of the car but when you try to sell it, everyone else will baulk at the price of the VED as well.
It puts me off as I only cover about 4k miles a year. Road tax is definitely something I consider when I'm looking to purchase.
My car is pretty swift, but has reasonable road tax costs (at the moment). I actually feel as if I'm winning.....
.....Somehow....
My car is pretty swift, but has reasonable road tax costs (at the moment). I actually feel as if I'm winning.....
.....Somehow....
Edited by Baz Tench on Friday 20th December 10:38
Funkycoldribena said:
KTF said:
deltashad said:
This heavily influences my car purchases. I refuse to pay this.
Same for me. As nice as the car may be, I refuse to hand over this amount.Sure its reflected in the price of the car but when you try to sell it, everyone else will baulk at the price of the VED as well.
I saw it as proud moment, I was buying a nice car and I could afford to tax it, I know on here we do like to make out like it is expected and all so easy but all we see is the end result, not all the work to get to that position, I count myself as lucky that I am able to do it, it is payback for working hard, ok it isnt a GT3 RS but its mine and its paid for, its insured and it has a valid Tax Disk.
It's not cheap, but you can see what the government is trying to do. We choose to drive these cars - there are sports cars, SUVs and pretend 4x4 with much lower tax if we wish. They're not all awful to drive. They even give us a choice to pay zero road tax which is handy for those who don't care about the thrill of motoring much.
I pay around £250 for my BMW 530 Auto and £220 for my TVR (PLG tax band) - so I'm already paying the £450+ level of road tax. In future whatever I change these cars for the road tax will be lower (until the government moves the goalposts).
I pay around £250 for my BMW 530 Auto and £220 for my TVR (PLG tax band) - so I'm already paying the £450+ level of road tax. In future whatever I change these cars for the road tax will be lower (until the government moves the goalposts).
I 100% agree with the VED system and we are seeing fruits now.
Putting more tax on fuel punishes business people travelling for a good reason and who create wealth, also those in the countryside, commuting to work etc.
What we need is more fuel efficient cars.
But rich people with fuel cards bought the new cars so they were always useless later on for average joe.
The taxation technique has been a great success in terms of stimulating an economic model to encourage manufacturers to chase efficiency. And we will see plenty of 100 mpg cars soon.
Fuel can only get more expensive so good news overall if you like travelling by car.
Just starting to get the results from this even in fancy cars, second hand cars around to buy are now much more fuel efficient for the average punter. Now we have 70 mpg mercs etc. 99.9% of car driving is not skidding around airfields, but driving in a traffic line at 50mph.
Putting more tax on fuel punishes business people travelling for a good reason and who create wealth, also those in the countryside, commuting to work etc.
What we need is more fuel efficient cars.
But rich people with fuel cards bought the new cars so they were always useless later on for average joe.
The taxation technique has been a great success in terms of stimulating an economic model to encourage manufacturers to chase efficiency. And we will see plenty of 100 mpg cars soon.
Fuel can only get more expensive so good news overall if you like travelling by car.
Just starting to get the results from this even in fancy cars, second hand cars around to buy are now much more fuel efficient for the average punter. Now we have 70 mpg mercs etc. 99.9% of car driving is not skidding around airfields, but driving in a traffic line at 50mph.
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