Successful facelifts

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aka_kerrly

12,445 posts

212 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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The EP3 Civic type R.

Pre facelift -

Facelift


rallycross

12,890 posts

239 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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It's hard to think of any that are better, MINI have done a terrible job the first ones 2001 were nice compared with the 2005
Facelift.

BMW did a small but definitely better facelift on the E46 in around 2002/3 they looked much smarter than the early 1999/2000 E46 with minor tweaks.

Mastodon2

13,847 posts

167 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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steviegunn said:
Fiesta MK4 - MK5



That is misleading though, as you have shown the hotted up, bodykitted version as the "facelift".

This would have been a more honest picture to use:


aka_kerrly

12,445 posts

212 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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E46 Compact.


facelift

steviegunn

1,417 posts

186 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Mastodon2 said:
That is misleading though, as you have shown the hotted up, bodykitted version as the "facelift".

This would have been a more honest picture to use:

Still a vast improvement (IMO) either way.

Ferson

2,037 posts

126 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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trashbat said:
ou're horribly wrong about this, but at least it lets me ask a question: what are those lights on the bulge of the original? Sidelights? Port and starboard?
I'm not sure what I've got wrong: the second-generation Multipla did look a lot more mundane, but in truth I think the first-gen has charm. I like odd cars myself, and the original Multipla delivers on that. I'd say the facelift was successful, but I'd like to hear why you disagree as well. It's nowhere near as distinctive, I'll happily admit.

trashbat

6,006 posts

155 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Ferson said:
I'm not sure what I've got wrong: the second-generation Multipla did look a lot more mundane, but in truth I think the first-gen has charm. I like odd cars myself, and the original Multipla delivers on that. I'd say the facelift was successful, but I'd like to hear why you disagree as well. It's nowhere near as distinctive, I'll happily admit.
They at least had major interest in the first one, and you still see a few, but none of the facelift, which was entirely forgettable and a product failure AFAIK - hence not successful. However I think we actually agree, so I apologise smile

MagneticMeerkat

1,763 posts

207 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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steviegunn said:
Mastodon2 said:
That is misleading though, as you have shown the hotted up, bodykitted version as the "facelift".

This would have been a more honest picture to use:

Still a vast improvement (IMO) either way.
I own one of the latter Fiestas, it's a 3 door so the better looking version anyway, but all round a more aesthetically pleasing car than my Mum's old pre-facelift five door. The teardrop shaped headlights are much better realised than the old, flat lozenge shaped ones.

Jazzer77

1,533 posts

196 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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To this:


aw51 121565

4,771 posts

235 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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jkh112 said:
N Dentressangle said:




Better without that horse.
The Ital was supposedly a lot more than just a facelifted Marina. The name indicated the complete redesign undertaken by an Italian design studio.
The differences are so obvious I find it hard to believe anyone would think they were in any way related. wink

I remember going on the ferry to France in the same month the new Ital was launched. My family went in a BMW 2002 and the family who went with us went on their new Ital. At the ferry port they were mobbed by the British tourists looking at the new Ital, whilst the 2002 did not get a second glance.
ItalDesign only helped to put the Ital into production, Harris Mann actually 'drew' the facelift. Also, a lot of hidden engineering went into stiffening the saloon body and soundproofing to all models (for two examples) as well as the design of the A-Plus 1300 engine for the Ital (then the Metro [and the Allegro] in 1.0 form as well) and later the Mini, Maestro & Montego 1.3s.

For the relatively tiny cost of the facelift, it was very successful. The press regarded the Ital quite highly (suspension apart). Just a shame the suspension remained essentially unaltered for another 3 years before the front suspension was upgraded with telescopic dampers for the final year of the car's life (and the last year of production was at Longbridge as opposed to Cowley).

The Ital pictured also seems to have had other wheels photoshopped on to it? confused

I would happily have either cloud9 ...

Rickyy

6,618 posts

221 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Jazzer77 said:


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That's not a facelift, it's a different model!




Mastodon2

13,847 posts

167 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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MagneticMeerkat said:
I own one of the latter Fiestas, it's a 3 door so the better looking version anyway, but all round a more aesthetically pleasing car than my Mum's old pre-facelift five door. The teardrop shaped headlights are much better realised than the old, flat lozenge shaped ones.
My first car was a Fiesta similar to the one in the picture. In so many ways, a st car, but ultimately still a great car overall.

jkh112

22,329 posts

160 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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aw51 121565 said:
ItalDesign only helped to put the Ital into production, Harris Mann actually 'drew' the facelift. Also, a lot of hidden engineering went into stiffening the saloon body and soundproofing to all models (for two examples) as well as the design of the A-Plus 1300 engine for the Ital (then the Metro [and the Allegro] in 1.0 form as well) and later the Mini, Maestro & Montego 1.3s.

For the relatively tiny cost of the facelift, it was very successful. The press regarded the Ital quite highly (suspension apart). Just a shame the suspension remained essentially unaltered for another 3 years before the front suspension was upgraded with telescopic dampers for the final year of the car's life (and the last year of production was at Longbridge as opposed to Cowley).

The Ital pictured also seems to have had other wheels photoshopped on to it? confused

I would happily have either cloud9 ...
Very interesting about the input from ItalDesign and Harris Mann as I recall that at the time it was the input from the former which was played up in the advertising.
I would prefer a 2002.

Fleckers

2,863 posts

203 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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calibrax said:
hondansx said:
Perhaps a little off the wall, but i actually think, given the budget constraints, Rover did bloody well with the 75 facelift. Still handsome to this day in my eyes!



I agree, the Rover 75 facelift is a big improvement. The MG ZT facelift however looked worse than the original.

Original


Facelift
Agree
Rover 75 facelift is better
BUT
MG mk1 is better looking than the face lift version




Polarbert

17,923 posts

233 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Would the outgoing Gallardo be considered a facelift on the original? I'm more in the lines that its a different model, as I'm sure pretty much everything was changed on it.

JordanTurbo

937 posts

143 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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I feel the ultimate candidate for this thread is one that hasn't been facelifted yet....

Provided the M135i gets given the same face as the 2 series, it will be a winner IMO.




xRIEx

8,180 posts

150 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Impreza bug eye -> blob eye -> hawk eye

Erdy

100 posts

127 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Rickyy said:
That's not a facelift, it's a different model!



Always a Phase 1 fanboy myself, look more aggressive and match the boxy nature of the rest of the car. (especially the interior hehe

Erdy

100 posts

127 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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From this slab of dullness



to something resembling a saab


carl_w

9,250 posts

260 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Before


After