RE: Ford Fiesta Black Edition: Driven (briefly)

[dukebox9reg]

kambites said:

seefarr said:

Yes the Evo. Mitsubishi would sell you one with 200BHP / L (FQ400) with a warranty at the time. I was just pointing out that the figures on this turbo charged engine aren't actually astonishing.

The EVO probably didn't manage 63mpg on the NDEC cycle though, or indeed to meet current regulations at all.

I agree that the headline specific output figure isn't particularly impressive, but to achieve it without adversely effecting the car's ability to record daft figures on the official tests is moderately admirable.

Neither does the Fiesta......(real world not lab cycles) 125 in normal use is only good for low 40s so this will be most likely worse still. Still better than a FQ400 mind

[ajprice]

Black with red highlights, is it just me or...

[kambites]

dukebox9reg said:

Neither does the Fiesta......(real world not lab cycles) 125 in normal use is only good for low 40s so this will be most likely worse still. Still better than a FQ400 mind

You do know what NDEC means? I made no claims about its real-world economy.

[FrankUnderwood]

IntriguedUser said:

Limpet said:

Impressive engine, but it's a bit depressing that 140 bhp in a "small" car only gives 0-60 in 9 secs.

Wonder if 9 seconds is accurate?

Seems a tad, slow though?

The 125bhp 1.6 NA in my 2001 Polo GTI (1030kg kerb) gives it a 8.7 to 100km/h time and 127 top end.

[MatthewCollings]

Limpet said:

Impressive engine, but it's a bit depressing that 140 bhp in a "small" car only gives 0-60 in 9 secs.

+1

No such thing as a small car these days. Shame. Small cars have been destroyed by all sorts of legislation.

[dukebox9reg]

kambites said:

dukebox9reg said:

Neither does the Fiesta......(real world not lab cycles) 125 in normal use is only good for low 40s so this will be most likely worse still. Still better than a FQ400 mind

You do know what NDEC means? I made no claims about its real-world economy.

Yes I know I was just pointing out its a useless figure. Bet the Evo gets closer to its official MPG than the Fiesta.

[kambites]

dukebox9reg said:

Yes I know I was just pointing out its a useless figure. Bet the Evo gets closer to its official MPG than the Fiesta.

True, but useless doesn't mean unimpressive or not interesting.

[kambites]

MatthewCollings said:

No such thing as a small car these days.

What do you think a Smart ForTwo is?

The Fiesta isn't a particularly small car any more, but it doesn't really claim to be. This version of the engine in a Ka might be more interesting.

[Captain Muppet]

GTEYE said:

Looks like a decent little car, kind of like a modern day AX GT.

Except the AX GT only had 85bhp.

Ford - clever engine, stupid heavy car.

[kambites]

Captain Muppet said:

Ford - clever engine, stupid heavy car.

To be fair, it's a stupid heavy engine too from what I remember.

[J4CKO]

MatthewCollings said:

Limpet said:

Impressive engine, but it's a bit depressing that 140 bhp in a "small" car only gives 0-60 in 9 secs.

+1

No such thing as a small car these days. Shame. Small cars have been destroyed by all sorts of legislation.

An Aygo/C1/107 only weighs 800 kilos, if they could have put 100 - 120 bhp in that without too much of a weight increase it would have been great, Fiesta is the next class up, more of a proper car though.

[ivantate]

Been done before, Mini/Metro, Red Hot and Jet Black.

No power boost from those though.....

[Fantuzzi]

140bhp, 104g/co2, 62mpg?

That's awesome, really awesome.

I don't think petrolheads need to worry too much now about the impact of environmental issues on 'normal' cars now, as fiats twin air gets 105bhp for no road tax, and both it and the ford eco engines are meant to be rather fun engines to rev, so it seems like a win win - Feisty little engines, low co2, great mpg (hypothetically), and the possibility to milk more power for heavier/sportier models!

[dukebox9reg]

kambites said:

Captain Muppet said:

Ford - clever engine, stupid heavy car.

To be fair, it's a stupid heavy engine too from what I remember.

On the scale of modern cars it's not that heavy. Also I remember reading that the 1.0 ecoboost actually weighed more than the old 1.6 engine it replaced that's not mentioned at all in the press pack though along side it fits on an A4 bit of paper.

[Captain Muppet]

dukebox9reg said:

kambites said:

Captain Muppet said:

Ford - clever engine, stupid heavy car.

To be fair, it's a stupid heavy engine too from what I remember.

On the scale of modern cars it's not that heavy. Also I remember reading that the 1.0 ecoboost actually weighed more than the old 1.6 engine it replaced that's not mentioned at all in the press pack though along side it fits on an A4 bit of paper.

It is heavier than the 1.6, and more expensive, and doesn't fit on a sheet of A4 paper. In fact it's about the same length as the 1.6 so it can reach the engine mount in the engine bays of the cars designed around four cylinder engines.

Admittedly one dimension of the bare cylinder block is shorter than the longest edge of a sheet of A4 by a few mm, but even the bare block won't fit of a sheet of A4 unless you balance the block on it's corner.

The Ford Fox with it's hilarious sticky-outy engine mount, yesterday:

[budgie smuggler]

kambites said:

To be fair, it's a stupid heavy engine too from what I remember.

Can't be much in it between the 1.0 and 1.6. According to Parkers:

Focus 1.6 Zetec 5d = 1276 kg (5 Speed manual)
Focus 1.0 Zetec 5d = 1279 kg (6 Speed manual)

(Focus used as figures seem to missing for Fiesta)

Edited by budgie smuggler on Wednesday 18th June 15:13

[Antj]

sorry but at £15995 the swift is not this cars problem ( bearing in mind brand new swift sports are £12k at most dealers without haggling when we bought ours recently) the real problem is the Fiesta ST at 16995, more car, more power for just £1000 extra at £16995.

You'd have to be mad to choose this over the ST.

[edeath]

Antj said:

sorry but at £15995 the swift is not this cars problem ( bearing in mind brand new swift sports are £12k at most dealers without haggling when we bought ours recently) the real problem is the Fiesta ST at 16995, more car, more power for just £1000 extra at £16995.

You'd have to be mad to choose this over the ST.

Unless of course you couldn't afford to run the ST as the extra £1k for the car had to be topped up by another £1k insurance a year as you're young (I'm not unfortunately :-( )

[zerovira]

keiran said:

I'm sure I'm not the first person to say this, but...

Fit this spec engine into the KA , call it the KA ST, finish it off with a tasteful sporty look and an affordable price, and there you have it, an Abarth 500 rival, which will likely sell well...
(Then a more powerful version KA RS? to rival the 595 or 695 Abarth or whatever it's called)

There you are ford, I will await my cheque in the post...

Edited by keiran on Wednesday 18th June 09:55

Edited by keiran on Wednesday 18th June 09:56

THIS. FRIGGIN' THIS.

then PSA should introduce the 1.2 130 hp three-pot into the 108/C1, and renault should do something interesting with the twingo, and we can have another market of performance superminis that will be great.

Think about weights in the 900kg zone, powers in the 130-150hp zone... that is 205gti numbers.

I am dreaming about a twingo rs with rear motor and RWD, and a 108 rallye stripped out with 130hp and 750-800 kg...

god, they will even be great for amateur rallye.

Maybe I could even lie to the missus in order to buy one xD

[Dan Friel]

Antj said:

sorry but at £15995 the swift is not this cars problem ( bearing in mind brand new swift sports are £12k at most dealers without haggling when we bought ours recently) the real problem is the Fiesta ST at 16995, more car, more power for just £1000 extra at £16995.

You'd have to be mad to choose this over the ST.

Ignore ford list prices... The current zetec s can be had from £12.5k upwards, so similar discounts could be available. However, with the new mountune map available for the zetec s, it doesn't make this new fiesta spec look too great..