Affordable iconic engines we all should experience
Discussion
RoverP6B said:
I don't know, EU ultra-low-emissions rules probably will be enforced retroactively, forcing anything non-compliant off the road.
Would that not essentially f
k up everyone with less than ~£5k to spend on a car? Also completely removing any kind of performance vehicle for people on or around the UK average wage. That actually seems like such a realistic situation that I can see it happening in the next 10 years or so lol.caelite said:
My mate swears by his rover KV6 (in a MG ZT). Im actually tempted by the rover V6 myself in a ZS since the price of busso V6s has gone a bit sky high. Never heard one of the old V8s though, just the ford modular in the big daddy ZT xD.
You mean the V8 that in various versions was in the Land Rover Discovery from 1988-2004 and the Range Rover from 1971-2002?I bet at least one of those has passed you over the years (if you're in the UK)
I'm going to go
honda k20, nearly as good as the f20 but completely accessible down to about 3k
Lexus 1uz, fabulously smooth
Toyota 1/2jz, the noise
Nissan rb, also the noise but also the delivery
BL etc A series, characterful and the noise.
Volvo 2.3 T5, the noise and the delivery.
wankel. Creamy, Rev Happy eager and not even remotely highly strung lovely delivery shame about the thirst.
Something 4 cylinder 2-2.5 litre and very turbocharged.
Harder but doable
Big block Chevy
Small block Chevy
Mopar Hemi
Fairly unattainable
Dodge V10 - especially attached to a Viper. Relentless, that noise, the endless shove.
Ported Mazda 13b preferably additional rotors.
Oh and an old school T28 turbo Cosworth YB.
honda k20, nearly as good as the f20 but completely accessible down to about 3k
Lexus 1uz, fabulously smooth
Toyota 1/2jz, the noise
Nissan rb, also the noise but also the delivery
BL etc A series, characterful and the noise.
Volvo 2.3 T5, the noise and the delivery.
wankel. Creamy, Rev Happy eager and not even remotely highly strung lovely delivery shame about the thirst.
Something 4 cylinder 2-2.5 litre and very turbocharged.
Harder but doable
Big block Chevy
Small block Chevy
Mopar Hemi
Fairly unattainable
Dodge V10 - especially attached to a Viper. Relentless, that noise, the endless shove.
Ported Mazda 13b preferably additional rotors.
Oh and an old school T28 turbo Cosworth YB.
The engines I have had and why I rate them.
Will not mention the ones that never lit my fire. Honda 1335 in my old Triumph Acclaim so sweet and rev happy. The KV6 in my old 75 connie again sweet and rev happy with a glorious sound all wrapped up in a comfy slipper. The 4.6 lump of pig iron in my MGZT could never be described as cutting edge but makes god damn great noise. Finally the little 1.0 ecoboost in the current run around just lovely!
Ones I want to own - Jag V12 and the OP's starter for 10 the alfa 3.0.
Will not mention the ones that never lit my fire. Honda 1335 in my old Triumph Acclaim so sweet and rev happy. The KV6 in my old 75 connie again sweet and rev happy with a glorious sound all wrapped up in a comfy slipper. The 4.6 lump of pig iron in my MGZT could never be described as cutting edge but makes god damn great noise. Finally the little 1.0 ecoboost in the current run around just lovely!
Ones I want to own - Jag V12 and the OP's starter for 10 the alfa 3.0.
Edited by stevemiller on Monday 7th September 00:14
M88 straight six from an M1, M5 or M635 - a wailing banshee of an engine with a truly addictive soundtrack.
Any V12, I chose Alpina but nearly all are just deliciously smooth fabulous powerplants.
A turbo-charged Scooby flat-four; brilliant and addicted to revs.
TVR V8; Buick or AJP, just ground-shakingly powerful.
Any V12, I chose Alpina but nearly all are just deliciously smooth fabulous powerplants.
A turbo-charged Scooby flat-four; brilliant and addicted to revs.
TVR V8; Buick or AJP, just ground-shakingly powerful.
Saab B series engines from the 9000,9-3,9-5 etc. Bullet proof and powerful. Gentlemen's Express.
3SGTE from the GT-Four/MR2 Stable. Twin entry turbo so quick spool mated to a Yamaha designed head which loves to rev!
F20/K20/2ZZ. High revving N/A engines.
M15A/M16A from the Ignis/Swift sport. Okay they might be small and reasonably low power but they make a fantastic noise and coupled to a go kart chassis makes you feel like you are in a 80's hot hatch again!
3SGTE from the GT-Four/MR2 Stable. Twin entry turbo so quick spool mated to a Yamaha designed head which loves to rev!
F20/K20/2ZZ. High revving N/A engines.
M15A/M16A from the Ignis/Swift sport. Okay they might be small and reasonably low power but they make a fantastic noise and coupled to a go kart chassis makes you feel like you are in a 80's hot hatch again!
Rover V8 in the P5, P6 and Range Rover Classic was a deeply lovely thing. Unsophisticated but effective, refined and with that woofly character that suited said cars' utterly unsporty nature.
BMW I6 of any description as long as it's petrol and N/A... even the electronic throttle isn't a problem, never had any problem with that in my M54B22 E39 520iT. Lovely engine, the M54. Just watch the valve stem oil seals, crankcase breather etc... ended up binning the 520i's engine and replacing it as it was going to be more expensive to fix it...
BMW M62 is a pretty awesome beast, I suppose - not only in the 5er, X5 and 7er, but also used in Morgans, Wiessmanns, Bentleys and Range Rovers. Compared to the I6 it's not very BMW but it's a very effective means of producing power, and (with knackered cats) was obnoxiously loud in my 535i. The S62 variant is of course highly-reputed. The Toyota UZ-series V8 (starting with the 1UZ-FE in the Lexus LS400) is its Japanese equivalent.
I'll also add the Mercedes-Benz AMG M156 6208cc V8. Sounds like Armageddon. American-style muscle with a distinctly European bonkers top end.
GM LS V8s, especially the LS3. A proper muscle car engine. Cheap, compact, robust, a lot of power for what it does. Often wondered why Rover didn't use them in the 75 V8 instead of the asthmatic Ford 3-valve thing. Ideal for swapping into formerly diesel-powered Range Rovers...
Honourable mention for the long-lived AMC 4-litre straight-six that powered many a Jeep over the years. Not hugely powerful but very robust and makes a lovely sonorous noise.
BMW I6 of any description as long as it's petrol and N/A... even the electronic throttle isn't a problem, never had any problem with that in my M54B22 E39 520iT. Lovely engine, the M54. Just watch the valve stem oil seals, crankcase breather etc... ended up binning the 520i's engine and replacing it as it was going to be more expensive to fix it...
BMW M62 is a pretty awesome beast, I suppose - not only in the 5er, X5 and 7er, but also used in Morgans, Wiessmanns, Bentleys and Range Rovers. Compared to the I6 it's not very BMW but it's a very effective means of producing power, and (with knackered cats) was obnoxiously loud in my 535i. The S62 variant is of course highly-reputed. The Toyota UZ-series V8 (starting with the 1UZ-FE in the Lexus LS400) is its Japanese equivalent.
I'll also add the Mercedes-Benz AMG M156 6208cc V8. Sounds like Armageddon. American-style muscle with a distinctly European bonkers top end.
GM LS V8s, especially the LS3. A proper muscle car engine. Cheap, compact, robust, a lot of power for what it does. Often wondered why Rover didn't use them in the 75 V8 instead of the asthmatic Ford 3-valve thing. Ideal for swapping into formerly diesel-powered Range Rovers...
Honourable mention for the long-lived AMC 4-litre straight-six that powered many a Jeep over the years. Not hugely powerful but very robust and makes a lovely sonorous noise.
RoverP6B said:
Rover V8 in the P5, P6 and Range Rover Classic was a deeply lovely thing. Unsophisticated but effective, refined and with that woofly character that suited said cars' utterly unsporty nature.
BMW I6 of any description as long as it's petrol and N/A... even the electronic throttle isn't a problem, never had any problem with that in my M54B22 E39 520iT. Lovely engine, the M54. Just watch the valve stem oil seals, crankcase breather etc... ended up binning the 520i's engine and replacing it as it was going to be more expensive to fix it...
BMW M62 is a pretty awesome beast, I suppose - not only in the 5er, X5 and 7er, but also used in Morgans, Wiessmanns, Bentleys and Range Rovers. Compared to the I6 it's not very BMW but it's a very effective means of producing power, and (with knackered cats) was obnoxiously loud in my 535i. The S62 variant is of course highly-reputed. The Toyota UZ-series V8 (starting with the 1UZ-FE in the Lexus LS400) is its Japanese equivalent.
I'll also add the Mercedes-Benz AMG M156 6208cc V8. Sounds like Armageddon. American-style muscle with a distinctly European bonkers top end.
GM LS V8s, especially the LS3. A proper muscle car engine. Cheap, compact, robust, a lot of power for what it does. Often wondered why Rover didn't use them in the 75 V8 instead of the asthmatic Ford 3-valve thing. Ideal for swapping into formerly diesel-powered Range Rovers...
Honourable mention for the long-lived AMC 4-litre straight-six that powered many a Jeep over the years. Not hugely powerful but very robust and makes a lovely sonorous noise.
What's all this V8 love? Thought it was I6 till you die?BMW I6 of any description as long as it's petrol and N/A... even the electronic throttle isn't a problem, never had any problem with that in my M54B22 E39 520iT. Lovely engine, the M54. Just watch the valve stem oil seals, crankcase breather etc... ended up binning the 520i's engine and replacing it as it was going to be more expensive to fix it...
BMW M62 is a pretty awesome beast, I suppose - not only in the 5er, X5 and 7er, but also used in Morgans, Wiessmanns, Bentleys and Range Rovers. Compared to the I6 it's not very BMW but it's a very effective means of producing power, and (with knackered cats) was obnoxiously loud in my 535i. The S62 variant is of course highly-reputed. The Toyota UZ-series V8 (starting with the 1UZ-FE in the Lexus LS400) is its Japanese equivalent.
I'll also add the Mercedes-Benz AMG M156 6208cc V8. Sounds like Armageddon. American-style muscle with a distinctly European bonkers top end.
GM LS V8s, especially the LS3. A proper muscle car engine. Cheap, compact, robust, a lot of power for what it does. Often wondered why Rover didn't use them in the 75 V8 instead of the asthmatic Ford 3-valve thing. Ideal for swapping into formerly diesel-powered Range Rovers...
Honourable mention for the long-lived AMC 4-litre straight-six that powered many a Jeep over the years. Not hugely powerful but very robust and makes a lovely sonorous noise.
I bought my FN2 Civic Type R back in May over the various 2.0 turbo charged VAG options purely for the character of the K20 engine. Test drove a Scirocco and although the 2.0 TSI was effective, it seemed souless in standard form.
It was harder to dismiss the Mk2 focus ST as that I5 is a gem but the sharper feel and sublime gearbox in the civic won out for me.
Also have to say how much I enjoyed the XU10J4RS in my old 306 GTI-6. Mated to that short ratio gearbox it felt muscular at low revs whilst still reving out smoothly with a lovely noise.
It was harder to dismiss the Mk2 focus ST as that I5 is a gem but the sharper feel and sublime gearbox in the civic won out for me.
Also have to say how much I enjoyed the XU10J4RS in my old 306 GTI-6. Mated to that short ratio gearbox it felt muscular at low revs whilst still reving out smoothly with a lovely noise.
WarnieV6GT said:
blueg33 said:
TVR Speed Six
Subaru H6 (6 cyl boxer)
Honda lawnmower engine
Can't get in a Speed six for less than 10k though. The Cerbera V8 on the other hand?Subaru H6 (6 cyl boxer)
Honda lawnmower engine
I'd still recommend experiencing one though.
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