RE: New Porsche Panamera Shooting Brake pictures

[Alan_I_W]

anniesdad said:

Sigh. Do you not agree cars are getting far too big?

Superminis are, When the new Fiesta is about the size of a MK1 Fiesta you see how OTT it is, however stuff like Estates and SUV's should be big, I remember people moaning that the old 240 Estate was too big.

[PoopahScoopah]

Each to their own but I like the look of it, and like the normal Panamera too (not quite sure why, can't put my finger on it, but it just strikes a chord with me. But then I do tend to gravitate towards the more unusual looking cars that others dismiss as ugly).

[Debaser]

I like it. Would make a great family car.

[anniesdad]

Alan_I_W said:

Superminis are, When the new Fiesta is about the size of a MK1 Fiesta you see how OTT it is, however stuff like Estates and SUV's should be big, I remember people moaning that the old 240 Estate was too big.

Car park spaces aren't getting any bigger though.

[J4CKO]

Dids444 said:

Quickmoose said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

definitely a bit cock-eyed

Front and rear lights are stickers...

I was going to post and say the lights look wonky on the front but I just wondered how you know they're stickers?

I thought they were 2d stickers of a 3d lamp, hence why they look weird, like an old video game where they cant do complex shapes and just stretch an image over a shape, it wont look like that.

Rest of it, like it, the original is pretty ugly but still, fantastic car and that wouldnt stop me getting one.

[binnerboy]

There must be something wrong with me as I like that a bit too much.

The back is very Audi Estate , I mean Avant of course would't be seen dead in an estate ,

my car is a touring see not an estate , no siree, no estates here....

I'll get my coat

[ramjet22]

The only surprise is that it took Porsche so long after collaborating with Audi on the original RS2. Think how many potential performance estate sales they have missed out on since then! It;s hard to imagine that it will bring anything new to the table when its German competitors have been building them for years

[havoc]

anniesdad said:

Alan_I_W said:

Superminis are, When the new Fiesta is about the size of a MK1 Fiesta you see how OTT it is, however stuff like Estates and SUV's should be big, I remember people moaning that the old 240 Estate was too big.

Car park spaces aren't getting any bigger though.

That's the issue - cars aren't getting longer, but they are getting wider, and doors are getting thicker, which means less space in car parks to open your door and less 'gap' to exit the car through for a given amount of door-opening.

[Wills2]

Fabulous thing, love the new Panamera, but it's so expensive a C4S shooting brake will be around 95K before options I'd wager.

I would if I could though.

[Fetchez la vache]

kambites said:

rampageturke said:

Arent shooting brakes only meant to have 3 doors?

Not really, it's not a well defined term.

I thought coupe was a well defined term, but Mercedes still fked about with it, then everyone else felt they needed to follow suit to fill the same niche...

[Alan_I_W]

havoc said:

That's the issue - cars aren't getting longer, but they are getting wider, and doors are getting thicker, which means less space in car parks to open your door and less 'gap' to exit the car through for a given amount of door-opening.

I will admit whenever I park my wifes Range Rover in a spot I always have to check the doors due to someone's 32ft wide Corsa. That new Suzuki Celerio Is actually really small. My problem with new cars is horrid visibility due to massive pillars, My Impreza has insane visibility compared to the new ones.

[Thom]

Btw this is an estate, not a shooting break.
A shooting break is a 2 door car.

[NJ72]

Go back 10-15 years and tell someone 'Porsche are going to make an estate car' and all the 911 owners would be in uproar...

Fast forward to today and they'll buy any old clap-trap with a pork badge on it.

Just my opinion, but diversification may be good for business, but when you ask a sports car designer to design an estate it ends up looking like a turd on wheels.

[NJ72]

Thom said:

Btw this is an estate, not a shooting break.
A shooting break is a 2 door car.

Narp. Shooting brake is an estate car, plain and simple:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting-brake

It can refer to a 3 door, but encompasses both

[Hugo a Gogo]

Thom said:

Btw this is an estate, not a shooting break.
A shooting break is a 2 door car.

shooting brake


not a shooting brake

[kambites]

Fetchez la vache said:

I thought coupe was a well defined term, but Mercedes still fked about with it, then everyone else felt they needed to follow suit to fill the same niche...

I don't think "coupe" has ever been well defined either.

[Thom]

NJ72 said:

Narp. Shooting brake is an estate car, plain and simple:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting-brake

It can refer to a 3 door, but encompasses both

I don't give a rat's arse about what wikipedia says, simply because it's completely wrong.

A shooting break is a 2 door car based on an existing coupé, modified with a larger luggage area and using a hatch.
An estate is a 4 door car based on an existing saloon/sedan, modified with a larger luggage area and using a hatch.

[Hugo a Gogo]

how about a shooting brake?

[kambites]

Thom said:

I don't give a rat's arse about what wikipedia says, simply because it's completely wrong.

A shooting break is a 2 door car based on an existing coupé, modified with a larger luggage area and using a hatch.
An estate is a 4 door car based on an existing saloon/sedan, modified with a larger luggage area and using a hatch.

As long as you understand that no-one else agrees with your definition, that's fine.

[NJ72]

Did you see the above post?

The original Shooting Brake cars - designated so because they were built for shooting parties - had 4 sodding doors...