RE: 45-mile Focus RS goes to auction
Discussion
epom said:
Glasgowrob said:
VGTICE said:
25k for a 7 year old Ford? Damn, you can get a brand new junior supercar (best car to ever exist according to some) for same amount.
More info please. Could understand a pricey mk1 RS, but these have always baffled me. I know the setup is supposed to be good, but it's still too much power for the fronts. £20kish for a mk2 makes sense as they're sought after but this to me just seems ridiculous, there's a lot more you could get for your money, whether it be a well set up tool or just something to look at everyday. If you're genuinely contemplating buying this car I'd say STOP!! You can't afford the council house and the car, especially not when you've got your tattoo booked to get your stoke city fc badge printed on your arm...
yonex said:
s m said:
Imagine if it was a Porsche or old M-car - would be 5 times the price!
It's not old. It's not even a very good RS? Why would you buy this over a sorted Mk1, or even the latest car?Don't think cars have to be class leaders to command strong prices - witness the quarter of a million for an old Sportomatic 911 .........you literally couldn't give those away in the 80s because of the gearbox........but then .... It has a Porsche badge
whp1983 said:
Proof aesthetics are playing a part?- would it be so in demand if you could get the new RS as a three door.... or if new RS looked a little better.
Clearly the new RS is excellent, however, in the looks department the old one is so much nicer, more complete vehicle rather than body kitted car (subjective I know).
That aside once investors kick in the greater fools theory takes hold..
I'm fully with this point of view. Clearly the new RS is excellent, however, in the looks department the old one is so much nicer, more complete vehicle rather than body kitted car (subjective I know).
That aside once investors kick in the greater fools theory takes hold..
epom said:
Would it really though ? I mean its a new car, what could possibly be gone wrong with it? Assuming its been stored indoors.
Perished rubber hoses all over and seals on stuff like water pumps and the components of the AC system would likely be suspect unless a lot of energy has been put into maintaining their condition. To be honest though, whomever buys it, isn't going to use it as a daily driver afterwards so I doubt it is such a big deal.
I just don't understand why it is worth so much as it isn't a special car by any stretch of the imagination.
If this was a Porsche that had only covered 45 miles people would be saying that it's a great investment buy (which is exactly what this RS is) so to me it's worth the money yes you can buy a cheaper one & use it, but this isn't that car & the person buying it will be putting it straight back into storage.
It's the RS brand and following which makes them worth so much. These don't seem to be dipping much below 20k for decent examples on the MK2. The MK1's are now 10k+ minimum last time i checked and prices steadily rising. It'll be interesting to see how the MK3 does after a few years but i can only assume they will go the same way.
I'll be honest, the MK1's never did much for me. The MK2's, IMO, were the sweet spot and i loved them as soon as they were released and i saw the pictures. Everything about them was right. The new MK3's are yet to grow on me, I'm sure they will over the years but they just don't have the same wacky styling and engine that the previous model did, which looked more bespoke.
The prices shouldn't be a surprise, especially when looking at the much older RS products and seeing the insane prices that they're going for. For me, the MK2 Focus RS is a great proposition and would probably be my pick at that price range as apposed to the much more prestige and classier badges that can be had for the same cash.
I'll be honest, the MK1's never did much for me. The MK2's, IMO, were the sweet spot and i loved them as soon as they were released and i saw the pictures. Everything about them was right. The new MK3's are yet to grow on me, I'm sure they will over the years but they just don't have the same wacky styling and engine that the previous model did, which looked more bespoke.
The prices shouldn't be a surprise, especially when looking at the much older RS products and seeing the insane prices that they're going for. For me, the MK2 Focus RS is a great proposition and would probably be my pick at that price range as apposed to the much more prestige and classier badges that can be had for the same cash.
culpz said:
The prices shouldn't be a surprise, especially when looking at the much older RS products and seeing the insane prices that they're going for.
Hangon for a second though, the RS brand is all about racing heritage, all of the older RS models have direct links to significant periods of success in motorsport. THAT is meant to be what gives them their value, the same applies to Subaru and the 22b and the RB5 and the Mitsubishi Evo 6 TME etc. That all ended with the MK1 RS Focus for Ford. You can't just ignore all that and say "well the old ones are worth a lot so these should be too".
- edited to add: some people obviously think you can because there are examples of the RS Focus MK 2 actually selling at these over inflated prices
Edited by Mansells Tash on Tuesday 21st March 11:19
Mansells Tash said:
culpz said:
The prices shouldn't be a surprise, especially when looking at the much older RS products and seeing the insane prices that they're going for.
Hangon for a second though, the RS brand is all about racing heritage, all of the older RS models have direct links to significant periods of success in motorsport. THAT is meant to be what gives them their value, the same applies to Subaru and the 22b and the RB5 and the Mitsubishi Evo 6 TME etc. That all ended with the MK1 RS Focus for Ford. You can't just ignore all that and say "well the old ones are worth a lot so these should be too".
(You could argue it all started to end with the Mk2 Escort RS Turbo, which IIRC wasn't homologated into Group A as per the original RST was?) and the later Fiesta RS Turbo and Escort RS2000's were all RS badge bandwagon's....but to be fair to Ford, with no need for homologation requirements by then, why not keep the RS brand as a pure badge..........its worked well enough for BMW ///M since the E30 M3
My friend had a mk2 RS on order swopping an Escort Cosworth he owned; a bad move dynamically/residually... Same blue hue, looked dull unlike on the Escort. I preferred green.
I remember him trying to keep up with my stripped original Honda Crx VTEC on one chance encounter and every time from the line I remember the RS's absurd wheel spin and sound of shredded rubber all the way into third. Nice enough cars at eight tenths. He didn't keep it long after that.
I remember him trying to keep up with my stripped original Honda Crx VTEC on one chance encounter and every time from the line I remember the RS's absurd wheel spin and sound of shredded rubber all the way into third. Nice enough cars at eight tenths. He didn't keep it long after that.
Mansells Tash said:
Hangon for a second though, the RS brand is all about racing heritage, all of the older RS models have direct links to significant periods of success in motorsport. THAT is meant to be what gives them their value, the same applies to Subaru and the 22b and the RB5 and the Mitsubishi Evo 6 TME etc. That all ended with the MK1 RS Focus for Ford.
Your guess is as good as mine. Clearly it's nothing to do with that as i suspect that alot of people just don't care, sadly. There are various cars with direct racing heritage out there, yet the road versions haven't appreciated like these Fords have.
Mansells Tash said:
You can't just ignore all that and say "well the old ones are worth a lot so these should be too".
You've just proved yourself that, in fact, you can. Whether you like it or not, that does appear to be the case. It's the history of the previous models that will work in it's favor. - edited to add: some people obviously think you can because there are examples of the RS Focus MK 2 actually selling at these over inflated prices
Maybe the MK3 might not quite be the same as it looks very normal compared to the older RS models with their bespoke bodywork. I reckon they will at least hold their value well.
Mansells Tash said:
It really doesn't stack up for me and I think there will be a price dip in these at some point.
I don't agree. The only way is up i reckon. People just seem to love them and want them. Unless that suddenly changes, it's business as usual.Edited by Mansells Tash on Tuesday 21st March 11:19
Escort Si-130 said:
I don't see the point of doing this, why would you buy a car and not drive it.
I bet there's a few 911Rs sitting in garages wondering when they're getting an outing.... Primarily, the buyer reckons they can turn a healthy profit in the future I'd say if they are pretty close to zero miles....
Or another scenario is that they are elderly and some life event precludes them from driving maybe
Typical bell end of the week comment. I guess this is how you see yourself wanting to buy a Ferrari and cant afford the council tax or the insurance for it.
HGFdodger said:
Could understand a pricey mk1 RS, but these have always baffled me. I know the setup is supposed to be good, but it's still too much power for the fronts. £20kish for a mk2 makes sense as they're sought after but this to me just seems ridiculous, there's a lot more you could get for your money, whether it be a well set up tool or just something to look at everyday. If you're genuinely contemplating buying this car I'd say STOP!! You can't afford the council house and the car, especially not when you've got your tattoo booked to get your stoke city fc badge printed on your arm...
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