RE: No-ssan GT-R

[Vixpy1]

Aftermarket ECU's will be the way to go on these.

[The Walrus]

Vixpy1 said:

Aftermarket ECU's will be the way to go on these.

I have heard the car automatically self distructs if you touch the ECU ! I read it in the news of the world motoring section.

[VladD]

Tomasz said:

Didn't evo say they had to do it to make the Japanese Government happy?

This rings a bell with me as well. From what I recall, Nissan could only get permission to build the car at all, if they put lots of technology in place to try and prevent modification. I'm sure its not something they would have done unless they had to.

[EDLT]

The 112mph speed limiter was to keep the japanese government happy, I assumed its so you can speed enough to be fined. Although I'm not sure why they limit bikes to 186mph...

[Diddy]

Dirty Monkey said:

...talking about an idiot, why pay more for 977 when you get a better car for 60k?

So you can drive it to whatever speed you wish to, wherever you want to, whenever you want to, etc etc etc.

You'd feel a bit of a tit coming up against an 911 turbo and hitting an invisible wall at 112mph, just because you weren't on a Nissan-approved race track...

[mattbvw]

Mike400 said:

Its the barryboy fitting max-power air filters on their mums drive they want to avoid. (...) If Nissan are gunning after the porsche 911 buyer (far bigger market) then they will want to avoid having tuners associated with this car. How many 911s do you see floating around Mcdonalds car park on a saturday night, mixing it with the other chav boxes?

Precisely my thoughts.

I'm sure the tuners will find a way around some things but from Nissan's point of view the longer that they can keep the car standard the more likely they are to appeal to a broader (read 911 etc) audience. They have gone all out with the R35 and are selling it in many more countries, it simply has to be a commercial success for there to be another one. Carlos Ghosn is not a true petrolhead - he's a rational businessman - he threatened to pull out of F1 for commercial reasons unless Renault got results. I hope it sells well.

[Oakey]

Mike400 said:

Its the barryboy fitting max-power air filters on their mums drive they want to avoid.

Another point to consider is image. The current R34 skyline is very much "street racer". If Nissan are gunning after the porsche 911 buyer (far bigger market) then they will want to avoid having tuners associated with this car. How many 911s do you see floating around Mcdonalds car park on a saturday night, mixing it with the other chav boxes?

Erm, how many £50k-£60k GT-R's do you see floating around McDonalds car parks mixing it with other chav boxes? I think it's going to be some time before that becomes a reality. Unless you have a significantly higher class of 'Barry' where you are? Which if was the case I'd expect them to be floating around McDonalds car park in Porsches and not 'chav boxes'.

[RDMcG]

Its like a closed,integrated system. When you compare what people do to Porsches it is amazingly different. I know of very few GT3s that have not been modded on some way. The GTR is like a spec racing car.

Takes a bit of the fun out of it really.

[simba1]

If Nissan wanted free publicity, they've now got it in spades. This thread is going to run and run. I wonder how many of us would be reading this if Nissan were to announce they will provide GT-R blueprints to any two bit tuner who asks for them?

[flattotheboards]

This is black mail, you are been forced to do what they want you to, this is disgraceful, i hope everybody cancels their orders to show nissan how wrong theyve been!

[H_Kan]

If this is true then it will dampen the appeal of the Skyline massively. Nissans will never appeal to the casual motorist who has a Porsche. They simply do not have the brand equity.

The Skyline is a car that appeals to proper petrol heads and pretty much those alone. I saw a lovely R33 Gts T in white with a Nismo bodykit and it was in excellent condition, but the couple of people I was with just looked puzzled. There is a massive Skyline scene but this is not going to be replicated if indeed it is near impossible to crack.

Tbh I do think they will be able to crack it somehow, there is too much of a market for tuners not to work it out. I really hope they do, I love the Skyline brand and would love to have one, it would be a shame if this is what the brand turned into.

[anonymous-user]

Oakey said:

Mike400 said:

Its the barryboy fitting max-power air filters on their mums drive they want to avoid.

Another point to consider is image. The current R34 skyline is very much "street racer". If Nissan are gunning after the porsche 911 buyer (far bigger market) then they will want to avoid having tuners associated with this car. How many 911s do you see floating around Mcdonalds car park on a saturday night, mixing it with the other chav boxes?

Erm, how many £50k-£60k GT-R's do you see floating around McDonalds car parks mixing it with other chav boxes? I think it's going to be some time before that becomes a reality. Unless you have a significantly higher class of 'Barry' where you are? Which if was the case I'd expect them to be floating around McDonalds car park in Porsches and not 'chav boxes'.

I don't think he meant the GT-R. It's just that the Skyline has a reputation for being a bit of a chav car that's all. I imagine Nissan want rid of this image if they are going to try and entice Porsche, etc buyers.....

[Ed.]

If its that easy to void the warranty might as well import.

[Spiritual_Beggar]

im pretty sure the great tuners such as Mines have already managed to tune this beast. Go check out the GTROC, they offer the most reliable source on this stuff as a lot of the guys are there seeing it done first hand.

[GingerWizard]

To be fair they have played this one the wrong way round. This will generate some real monster cars, If you are going to MOD it then really your going to take the thing apart and really go to town, Full ECU Manifold/Exhaust, Induction, valve and head work, new suspension/ wheels. Change the turbos to ceramic items, and then there is a well known love affair with Nitrous and Skylines oops, i mean GTR....?

This tech wil trickle down to less extravent owners in a year or so at a more reasonable price. I do love these stories though, its like every car nut in the world has got a new toy and they are all trying to polish it better then the others! before i imagine some monster displays of power/performance at some endurance races in europe, and there is the GT500 car and derivitves due as well....

Working this weekend which is poo.

Ginger Wizard

[john_r]

Here's some REAL Nissan GT-R information that will also make tuning totally redundant:

In early 2010 Nissan will release to limited markets (incl UK) the GT-R V-Spec. This will be a 2-seater car utilising lightweight materials wherever practical. All of the luxury guff will be reduced, i.e. single CD rather than multi, alcantara rather than leather, etc.

Bigger turbo's, new exhaust and intakes, forged this'n'that, uprated suspension, bigger tyres, etc, etc.

Expected to be somewhere in the region of 540bhp-550bhp...

Official UK car with 3 year warranty; the V-Spec is expected to cost around... £70k-£75k

This thing sounds like it will out perform and out handle just about anything south of £250k.

[dean_ratpac]

An interesting topic, but i'm sure someone somewhere will get round all these issues...

Dirty Monkey said:

Porsche on the other hand - there are PHers/enthusiasts that buy them, but the brand is also open to people that don't even know how to tie their shoe laces.

but have to say this comment stand outs - i nearly fell off my chair.. ha ha - its so true

[liner33]

john_r said:

Here's some REAL Nissan GT-R information that will also make tuning totally redundant:

In early 2010 Nissan will release to limited markets (incl UK) the GT-R V-Spec. This will be a 2-seater car utilising lightweight materials wherever practical. All of the luxury guff will be reduced, i.e. single CD rather than multi, alcantara rather than leather, etc.

Bigger turbo's, new exhaust and intakes, forged this'n'that, uprated suspension, bigger tyres, etc, etc.

Expected to be somewhere in the region of 540bhp-550bhp...

Official UK car with 3 year warranty; the V-Spec is expected to cost around... £70k-£75k

This thing sounds like it will out perform and out handle just about anything south of £250k.

and there lies the reason Nissan want to restrict tuning.

Nissan have no interest in what some so called Chav does to the car in 10 years time , they want to protect their own sales

Why buy a Nissan v spec when you can buy a top secret, mines, hks etc etc tuner edition for less money and with more power

[Dirty Monkey]

Diddy said:

Dirty Monkey said:

...talking about an idiot, why pay more for 977 when you get a better car for 60k?

So you can drive it to whatever speed you wish to, wherever you want to, whenever you want to, etc etc etc.

You'd feel a bit of a tit coming up against an 911 turbo and hitting an invisible wall at 112mph, just because you weren't on a Nissan-approved race track...

by that point 997 would be in a ditch, therefore 112mph is more than enough

[Dirty Monkey]

liner33 said:

john_r said:

Here's some REAL Nissan GT-R information that will also make tuning totally redundant:

In early 2010 Nissan will release to limited markets (incl UK) the GT-R V-Spec. This will be a 2-seater car utilising lightweight materials wherever practical. All of the luxury guff will be reduced, i.e. single CD rather than multi, alcantara rather than leather, etc.

Bigger turbo's, new exhaust and intakes, forged this'n'that, uprated suspension, bigger tyres, etc, etc.

Expected to be somewhere in the region of 540bhp-550bhp...

Official UK car with 3 year warranty; the V-Spec is expected to cost around... £70k-£75k

This thing sounds like it will out perform and out handle just about anything south of £250k.

and there lies the reason Nissan want to restrict tuning.

Nissan have no interest in what some so called Chav does to the car in 10 years time , they want to protect their own sales

Why buy a Nissan v spec when you can buy a top secret, mines, hks etc etc tuner edition for less money and with more power

Of course they have interest in what some so called Chav does to the car in 10 years time, because in ten years time they will have another model coming out and they will want it to go up against Porsche, and once again they will have the image problem. They have interest in it because they want to get away from that image and in ten years time they will want to sell their new car at the price that competition sell them at...because the product is obviously worth the money....its just the image