Car scrapping incentive

[Negative Creep]

Marquis_Rex said:

I own cars that vary from classic exotica to work horses, but I still think it's nice/fun that you can pick up bargain Rover 623is for knock down prices in the UK, or the fact I bought a totally road worthy Mercedes 280 TE (when I lived in the UK) complete with MOT for £50. I have no real desire to buy one of these right now, but I defend the right of people to do so.

Don't try to play richboy/snob. They're always people MUCH richer than you. What is your beef with old cars? Over and over- you harp on about lives being saved (on other threads) or unroadworthy cars, but they're excuses and seperate issues. Your issue is with older cars.

I'm not sure, that Challenger is old so it must be unsafe. You should buy a nice new PT Crusier or something, that way we won't all die of acid rain global warming climate change

[900T-R]

Not that that PT Cruiser is any different from the ones they tried to sell you nine years ago, anyway...

[Nolar Dog]

Welshbeef said:

Nolar Dog said:

Welshbeef said:

I fully agree about the age 10 years is nothing, perfectly fine cars at that age and even 15yo.

Excuse me!

My little XR2 is 25 this year and in fabulous condition.
Just about to become my new daily driver for Spring.

Some dummy spitting nonsense

I suggest you get your head out of your arse and calm down.

Happy to help.

[Marquis_Rex]

Negative Creep said:

Marquis_Rex said:

I own cars that vary from classic exotica to work horses, but I still think it's nice/fun that you can pick up bargain Rover 623is for knock down prices in the UK, or the fact I bought a totally road worthy Mercedes 280 TE (when I lived in the UK) complete with MOT for £50. I have no real desire to buy one of these right now, but I defend the right of people to do so.

Don't try to play richboy/snob. They're always people MUCH richer than you. What is your beef with old cars? Over and over- you harp on about lives being saved (on other threads) or unroadworthy cars, but they're excuses and seperate issues. Your issue is with older cars.

I'm not sure, that Challenger is old so it must be unsafe. You should buy a nice new PT Crusier or something, that way we won't all die of acid rain global warming climate change

My Challenger is terribly unsafe and I used to use it as an every day car- and I've lived to tell the tale- amazing!

[Marquis_Rex]

900T-R said:

Welshbeef said:

Have I mistyped in a previous post in this thread?
Its up to the owner thats the beauty of it - ITS NOT COMPULSORY.

ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY

Maybe that puts the record straight & is clear enough

It does give a signal to car owners though - 'if your car is older than (insert arbitrary age limit) you are polluting our environment and you really should get rid, you peasant'.

So you've lived in Germany too?

Edited by Marquis_Rex on Wednesday 11th February 14:35

[900T-R]

Worse, The Netherlands. Some phrases from the Dutch Automobile Industry (not that we have any to speak of) Association's newsletter to governmental organisations: "biggest emissions reduction to be realised by eliminating the underbelly of the car park (cars >12 years old)... "help city councils remove older cars and vans from city centres"...

[Welshbeef]

Marquis_Rex said:

Welshbeef said:

cheesesliceking said:

Welshbeef said:

Mr POD said:

Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?

I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.

Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.

I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.

I skim read most of your posts as you're a post whoring troll who loves the attention and skim reading as as much as you deserve.

Looking at your car history list I guess this would thread would stick in your neck. Oh well we can't all drive around in past it Toyota's.

WHat a cock of a thing to say.
I own cars that vary from classic exotica to work horses, but I still think it's nice/fun that you can pick up bargain Rover 623is for knock down prices in the UK, or the fact I bought a totally road worthy Mercedes 280 TE (when I lived in the UK) complete with MOT for £50. I have no real desire to buy one of these right now, but I defend the right of people to do so.

Don't try to play richboy/snob. They're always people MUCH richer than you. What is your beef with old cars? Over and over- you harp on about lives being saved (on other threads) or unroadworthy cars, but they're excuses and seperate issues. Your issue is with older cars.

I guess you missed the first post & the link. THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE EU NOW.

You would not have been able to pick up cars with MOT's for £50 within the last 18months due to the fact metal price was so high scrap dealers were buying anything to cash in. Hence my post & it being on TV that many of the cheap auction cars now just dont exist or they would be a min of £300.

The post you specifically reply to is a retort of mine to a rather rude comment to me oddly not constructive re the issue we could be facing as this is whats happening in Europe.

Maybe your head is nice & deep in the sand time to pull it out and have a good look around. The car industry is on its knees - with many supporting Business's in the UK ... the UK transport minister is seriously looking at plans the EU have... doesnt that ring Hello big boy this could be an issue for us?? If not I guess back to sleep with you.

[chrisr29]

Welshbeef said:

raharley said:

So the used car market for cars <£600 will evaporate?

Thats the Greek model. What about the other models in the original link?


What it means is any car which is very old and needs work doing to it you need to really think shall I buy a say £800 car instead - result I get £600 from the scrapping of this one which is shot/needing big work andthen buy one for £800 net cost £200.

If someone cannot afford £200.. they shouldnt have a car.

What a dumb thing to say! Everyone deserves the right to own a car even if it is only worth 200 quid!

[Welshbeef]

900T-R said:

Welshbeef said:

Have I mistyped in a previous post in this thread?
Its up to the owner thats the beauty of it - ITS NOT COMPULSORY.

ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY
ITS NOT COMPULSORY

Maybe that puts the record straight & is clear enough

It does give a signal to car owners though - 'if your car is older than (insert arbitrary age limit) you are polluting our environment and you really should get rid, you peasant'.

Given stagnating household incomes in Europe and governments' tendency to be like Microsoft Windows (taking over ever more of your resources in order to 'operate' stuff no one ever felt needed to be operated) I'm left to wonder how realistic it is to scrap cars at a mere 10 years old, economically.

Fully agree with you.

Didnt the Chealsea Tractor come about due to the fact on TV big SUV'sd/4x4's would be safer in an accident if they hit a small city car/...

[danrc]

Welshbeef said:

Marquis_Rex said:

Welshbeef said:

cheesesliceking said:

Welshbeef said:

Mr POD said:

Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?

I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.

Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.

I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.

I skim read most of your posts as you're a post whoring troll who loves the attention and skim reading as as much as you deserve.

Looking at your car history list I guess this would thread would stick in your neck. Oh well we can't all drive around in past it Toyota's.

WHat a cock of a thing to say.
I own cars that vary from classic exotica to work horses, but I still think it's nice/fun that you can pick up bargain Rover 623is for knock down prices in the UK, or the fact I bought a totally road worthy Mercedes 280 TE (when I lived in the UK) complete with MOT for £50. I have no real desire to buy one of these right now, but I defend the right of people to do so.

Don't try to play richboy/snob. They're always people MUCH richer than you. What is your beef with old cars? Over and over- you harp on about lives being saved (on other threads) or unroadworthy cars, but they're excuses and seperate issues. Your issue is with older cars.

I guess you missed the first post & the link. THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE EU NOW.

You would not have been able to pick up cars with MOT's for £50 within the last 18months due to the fact metal price was so high scrap dealers were buying anything to cash in. Hence my post & it being on TV that many of the cheap auction cars now just dont exist or they would be a min of £300.

The post you specifically reply to is a retort of mine to a rather rude comment to me oddly not constructive re the issue we could be facing as this is whats happening in Europe.

Maybe your head is nice & deep in the sand time to pull it out and have a good look around. The car industry is on its knees - with many supporting Business's in the UK ... the UK transport minister is seriously looking at plans the EU have... doesnt that ring Hello big boy this could be an issue for us?? If not I guess back to sleep with you.

You just need to know where too look for these cars. I picked up a motor for £100 which did me for a year.

[Welshbeef]

Nolar Dog said:

Welshbeef said:

Nolar Dog said:

Welshbeef said:

I fully agree about the age 10 years is nothing, perfectly fine cars at that age and even 15yo.

Excuse me!

My little XR2 is 25 this year and in fabulous condition.
Just about to become my new daily driver for Spring.

Some dummy spitting nonsense

I suggest you get your head out of your arse and calm down.

Happy to help.

Come off it the UK Transport minister is looking at the policies the EU have... do you seriously think that as a UK Govt and carbon output cutting they might be quite serious and go with this? Do you not even think its worth debating? Note all I have said is posted the link & highlighted some info from it.

[CoolC]

But where is the money coming from? This sounds like tax payers money being spent to give people with old fully paid off cars a load of debt on a new car.

[900T-R]

CoolC said:

But where is the money coming from? This sounds like tax payers money being spent to give people with old fully paid off cars a load of debt on a new car.

[Negative Creep]

Marquis_Rex said:

Negative Creep said:

Marquis_Rex said:

I own cars that vary from classic exotica to work horses, but I still think it's nice/fun that you can pick up bargain Rover 623is for knock down prices in the UK, or the fact I bought a totally road worthy Mercedes 280 TE (when I lived in the UK) complete with MOT for £50. I have no real desire to buy one of these right now, but I defend the right of people to do so.

Don't try to play richboy/snob. They're always people MUCH richer than you. What is your beef with old cars? Over and over- you harp on about lives being saved (on other threads) or unroadworthy cars, but they're excuses and seperate issues. Your issue is with older cars.

I'm not sure, that Challenger is old so it must be unsafe. You should buy a nice new PT Crusier or something, that way we won't all die of acid rain global warming climate change

My Challenger is terribly unsafe and I used to use it as an every day car- and I've lived to tell the tale- amazing!

That's disgraceful - for God's sake man think of the children! You need a 1.2 economy car because they never crash and have no negative impact on the environment whatsoever. Thanks to global warming we're enjoying a massive heatwave over here so I know who to blame

[Marquis_Rex]

Welshbeef said:

Marquis_Rex said:

Welshbeef said:

cheesesliceking said:

Welshbeef said:

Mr POD said:

Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?

I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.

Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.

I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.

I skim read most of your posts as you're a post whoring troll who loves the attention and skim reading as as much as you deserve.

Looking at your car history list I guess this would thread would stick in your neck. Oh well we can't all drive around in past it Toyota's.

WHat a cock of a thing to say.
I own cars that vary from classic exotica to work horses, but I still think it's nice/fun that you can pick up bargain Rover 623is for knock down prices in the UK, or the fact I bought a totally road worthy Mercedes 280 TE (when I lived in the UK) complete with MOT for £50. I have no real desire to buy one of these right now, but I defend the right of people to do so.

Don't try to play richboy/snob. They're always people MUCH richer than you. What is your beef with old cars? Over and over- you harp on about lives being saved (on other threads) or unroadworthy cars, but they're excuses and seperate issues. Your issue is with older cars.

I guess you missed the first post & the link. THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE EU NOW.

You would not have been able to pick up cars with MOT's for £50 within the last 18months due to the fact metal price was so high scrap dealers were buying anything to cash in. Hence my post & it being on TV that many of the cheap auction cars now just dont exist or they would be a min of £300.

The post you specifically reply to is a retort of mine to a rather rude comment to me oddly not constructive re the issue we could be facing as this is whats happening in Europe.

Maybe your head is nice & deep in the sand time to pull it out and have a good look around. The car industry is on its knees - with many supporting Business's in the UK ... the UK transport minister is seriously looking at plans the EU have... doesnt that ring Hello big boy this could be an issue for us?? If not I guess back to sleep with you.

I work in the automotive industry, and contributed to it for a long time in the UK.

I don't agree with rampant consuerism and believe that's why we're in this mess in the first place.
I also don't agree with legislating people into New cars. They should be enticed motivated of their own accord.
It may be a concept thats hard for you to comprehend, but that's called FREEDOM.

[Welshbeef]

chrisr29 said:

Welshbeef said:

raharley said:

So the used car market for cars <£600 will evaporate?

Thats the Greek model. What about the other models in the original link?


What it means is any car which is very old and needs work doing to it you need to really think shall I buy a say £800 car instead - result I get £600 from the scrapping of this one which is shot/needing big work andthen buy one for £800 net cost £200.

If someone cannot afford £200.. they shouldnt have a car.

What a dumb thing to say! Everyone deserves the right to own a car even if it is only worth 200 quid!

But I said you had the choice in my post the only thing is clearly you wouldnt be able to buy a £200 car as who would sell one for £200 when the Govt gives you £600??

Most here seem very agressive about this link & I feel the same sadly it could be for us. One poster here even has restrictions on cars >12yo not allowed into the city's... Neatherlands... Greece cars scrapped for £600-800.

[Marquis_Rex]

Welshbeef said:

Marquis_Rex said:

Welshbeef said:

cheesesliceking said:

Welshbeef said:

Mr POD said:

Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?

I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.

Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.

I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.

I skim read most of your posts as you're a post whoring troll who loves the attention and skim reading as as much as you deserve.

Looking at your car history list I guess this would thread would stick in your neck. Oh well we can't all drive around in past it Toyota's.

WHat a cock of a thing to say.
I own cars that vary from classic exotica to work horses, but I still think it's nice/fun that you can pick up bargain Rover 623is for knock down prices in the UK, or the fact I bought a totally road worthy Mercedes 280 TE (when I lived in the UK) complete with MOT for £50. I have no real desire to buy one of these right now, but I defend the right of people to do so.

Don't try to play richboy/snob. They're always people MUCH richer than you. What is your beef with old cars? Over and over- you harp on about lives being saved (on other threads) or unroadworthy cars, but they're excuses and seperate issues. Your issue is with older cars.

I guess you missed the first post & the link. THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE EU NOW.

I guess you missed my first post about my mate in Germany phoning me...oh...and that I lived in Germany for two and a half years actually driving German registered 'modern' cars (by my standards) because I was forced to!

[Welshbeef]

CoolC said:

But where is the money coming from? This sounds like tax payers money being spent to give people with old fully paid off cars a load of debt on a new car.

I guess it might be coming from the budget for Green/Eco Friendly investments.

[Welshbeef]

[/quote]

I work in the automotive industry, and contributed to it for a long time in the UK.

I don't agree with rampant consuerism and believe that's why we're in this mess in the first place.
I also don't agree with legislating people into New cars. They should be enticed motivated of their own accord.
It may be a concept thats hard for you to comprehend, but that's called FREEDOM.
[/quote]

Sorry to sound rude here - but it seems Reading is beyond your comprehension.

Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY

3 times is enough for it to sink??
In the Neatherlands one poster here states that cars >12yo cannot enter the city.

However to directly answer your point to entice them into it - well if you say live in Greece the scrap value is £600. So every car is worth £600 at the end of its life. IF your car say needs £400 worth of work done to it you wouldnt bother as you could get £600 for yours then buy another car up to the value of £1k without having the hassle of doing the work or if less than the £1k example then you'd be in profit - so there you go thats the incentive.

[Marquis_Rex]

Welshbeef said:

Maybe your head is nice & deep in the sand time to pull it out and have a good look around. The car industry is on its knees - with many supporting Business's in the UK ... the UK transport minister is seriously looking at plans the EU have... doesnt that ring Hello big boy this could be an issue for us?? If not I guess back to sleep with you.

I think you need to get laid. The signs are showing throughout your posts.

It may stop bizzarre ebulient posts/threads like these