4X4 Ski Car Needed

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smifffymoto

4,612 posts

207 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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We live in the Pyrenees and our Legacy Outback on snow tyres is brilliant.The only time I have considered chains was when my wife drove it into a ditch and didn't need them in the end as the car gotout with the use of my lead foot.There is also the reliability that Subaru are renowned for.

Mars

8,777 posts

216 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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GravelBen said:
Theres a Swedish video test floating around on youtube of a Subaru Outback making an XC70 look pretty silly on a muddy track. Hold on a second, I'll try to find it.

Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De0RstOO_iY
Bloody Hell, the Volvo looks as though there's no rear-drive at all. Pretty damning if you ask me.


Crap stereo quote... I'm not sure what's installed in my MY05 Leggy because it's all integrated behind the plastic dash panel. If I was doing fewer miles each year (and thought I'd keep the car for longer) I might see if I could change it but at the rate I'm piling the miles on, I'll get rid inside 3 years. I can cope with it until then (unless someone else has a cheap suggestion).

I think there's integration with the built-in SatNav. The Magnical Voice comes through the speakers. smile


Thing is, I love Subarus now because of the sure footedness, and general reliability. I drive mine hard, and I have learned to accept the relatively poor fuel economy on the basis that I bought the car cheap (about 1/3rd new price for a 20K miles car under 2 years old) so the savings I made go towards helping me run it.


Foresters are shorter than Legacies so unless you need the extra under-car clearance, I'd say the Leggy makes for a more useful car. That said, Foresters are often spec'd with arm-rests which, along with the auto-option, would make for an excellent motorway wafter. It's the only thing missing from the Legacy IMO.

dino ferrana

791 posts

254 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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I have driven a Honda CR-V on winter tyres in the Alps and it wasn't troubled by any of the conditions we found in two weeks there. Went down to ground level to get supplies and back up during a blizzard with no issues and wasn't stopped by the Police who were preventing normal cars without snow chains from going up to resort level. The 4x4 only comes in if you are losing tractions, so they are pretty efficient too (40+ on the diesel) and it is apparently the most reliable 4x4 out there http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/6942082/M... . Built in the UK too.

Haven't tried the new version with slightly tweaked looks, new Diesel engine (more power) and more sound deadening, but it will have only improved it I guess.

rovermorris999

5,203 posts

191 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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I have a 53 plate Forester 2.0XT auto. On a long run it'll just about do 30mpg (on 99ron). Normal usage but no urban crawling, mid 20's. Seats like armchairs, added a double-din Kenwood satnav which fits perfectly, surprisingly quick at overtaking, all the car you need for everyday driving. If you need more space, try a Legacy. I had a SpecB manual saloon, another lovely car. Similar mpg except the best I ever got was 28mpg on a run.

dino ferrana

791 posts

254 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Just clicekd through to www.relaibilityindex.co.uk and some of the mentioned cars do not do well on cost of repair or frequency. CR-V is best 4x4 and the Subarus do OK too. Volvo and Audi not good.
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/search_results.h...
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/search_results.h...

anonymous-user

56 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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My money would go on a Mazda CX-7!



cptsideways

13,572 posts

254 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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GravelBen said:
Theres a Swedish video test floating around on youtube of a Subaru Outback making an XC70 look pretty silly on a muddy track. Hold on a second, I'll try to find it.

Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De0RstOO_iY

Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 27th January 12:30
Having owned one of them Legacys I was stunned at how good it was off road!! Volvo looks totally pants in comparison

ProfessorPeach

616 posts

173 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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MattW

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1,076 posts

286 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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ProfessorPeach said:
Good call but just too old for me; if only they still made them I'd have one in a shot.

Am semi interested in an XC70 and am now looking into the Honda CR-V and perhaps Nissan X-Trail.

Mars

8,777 posts

216 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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MattW said:
Am semi interested in an XC70
Seriously? Did you watch that video?

ProfessorPeach

616 posts

173 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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MattW said:
ProfessorPeach said:
Good call but just too old for me; if only they still made them I'd have one in a shot.
I believe they do.

In Europe only, sadly.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrive...

duncansaunders

979 posts

257 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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garybezz said:
duncansaunders said:
Because they're not as big / heavy as a "proper" off road 4x4 vehicle. Also only 163hp out of a 2.4 so not too stressed an engine.

Will do less than 25mpg round the village though.
Hmmm. Ive been thinking of getting rid of my 'proper' 4x4 as I dont need its towing ability any more but am reluctant to give up the (admitedly infrequently used) off road ability. Will have to give the XC70 some consideration
We used to had an old Discovery for towing the boat but it got too rusty.

Volvo tows 1800kg up and down the slipway OK.

Greg_D

6,542 posts

248 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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leeeeshad said:
X type 4 wheel drive?
eer, no. Mine proved to be rwd in the snow, most miffed. Apparently the pre 04 cars have a better centre diff that actually works as you would expect. They are also a load smaller than the other options mentioned, and you will struggle to get better than 20mpg out of a 3 ltr.

Other than that, they are ok!!

Greg

MattW

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1,076 posts

286 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Mars said:
MattW said:
Am semi interested in an XC70
Seriously? Did you watch that video?
That why I said 'semi' I was very interested before watching that. My thinking is that on the road with winter tyres on it should be fine?

duncansaunders

979 posts

257 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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[quote=MattW.

Am semi interested in an XC70
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I'm in Southampton if you want to have a look at one.

That video with the Subaru was very old - it was a Volvo V70 XC - probably 2002 vintage.

The Volvo AWD system is Haldex - the same as you'll get on the Passat, A3, Small engine A4s and A6s, Skoda Scout 4x4, probably most of the "part time" AWD systems.

Its part time electronically controlled rear "diff" / "clutchpack". It only switches the rear wheels in when it thinks that the fronts are slipping

Allroad (and other longitudinal engine Audis) has a Torsen centre diff and is permanent AWD

Our XC70 was fine in the snow here a couple of weeks ago. Standard tyres are Pirelli Scorpion STRs - which are M&S.

Edited by duncansaunders on Wednesday 27th January 16:40

rovermorris999

5,203 posts

191 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Ranger 6

7,071 posts

251 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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MattW said:
....am now looking into the Honda CR-V and perhaps Nissan X-Trail.
If you're looking at those then take a look at an X3, they take a lot of stick from those who've seen Clarksons report but mine's done it's fourth alpine trip now and takes the whole family very well.

Mars

8,777 posts

216 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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rovermorris999 said:
That is fascinating. I would love to see the Nissan X-Trail tested along with the Lexus, BMW X5, Mercedes ML and others too.

jasperwade

740 posts

177 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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audi a8 3.0tdi quattro.

Massive boot, loads of cabin space, air suspension so you can wind it up and get room between the wheel and arch, proper quattro system, probably get 40mpg on that run, and you can waft about in luxury the rest of the year

duncansaunders

979 posts

257 months

Thursday 28th January 2010
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A comparison of some cars snow ability:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii_fXvg98w4