The "Dub" scene
Discussion
Herman Toothrot said:
hombrepaulo said:
Yet another VAG bashing thread - seriously it is getting beyond dull!
Thing is its so easy as the "scene" is so stupid.HT(4 motion owner)
However, there are only so many mods that can be done to them. Hence, there will be a certain amount of repetition. Repeatedly.
I think it's good that there's a scene for enthusiasts at the bottom of the cost ladder.
Of course there's repetition - with a limited number of parts suppliers. Presumably not so very different to the multitude of similarly modified Novas, Civics and Saxos all with the same bean-can exhaust etc etc.
Of course there's repetition - with a limited number of parts suppliers. Presumably not so very different to the multitude of similarly modified Novas, Civics and Saxos all with the same bean-can exhaust etc etc.
Cock Womble 7 said:
Herman Toothrot said:
hombrepaulo said:
Yet another VAG bashing thread - seriously it is getting beyond dull!
Thing is its so easy as the "scene" is so stupid.HT(4 motion owner)
However, there are only so many mods that can be done to them. Hence, there will be a certain amount of repetition. Repeatedly.
t and I hate them all. Loads of my mates are into VWs though and do it properly. One guy has a Corrado G60 that he has almost finished rebuilding from the ground up with polybushes etc. It's a bit low for my liking but the tyres aren't stretched and it has none of the classic dub crap on it. Another has a MK2 Jetta with a 1.8 16valve engine in it that is about halfway through a ground up rebuild too.Like everything, there's two sides to the story. It's just that there are so many more of them with shopping Polos with shiny s
t stuck on because they're the standard go-to for a first car. Lots of people never grow out of them. The GTI international car park a couple of years ago was something shocking.
clarkey328is said:
Loads of my mates are into VWs though and do it properly. One guy has a Corrado G60 that he has almost finished rebuilding from the ground up with polybushes etc. It's a bit low for my liking but the tyres aren't stretched and it has none of the classic dub crap on it. Another has a MK2 Jetta with a 1.8 16valve engine in it that is about halfway through a ground up rebuild too.
Like I said, in a pile of coal, you'll occasionally find a diamond.Gaz. said:
Mr Dave said:
I used to be well into it, and to an extent still follow it, some of the cars are absolutely stunning and really left an impact on me. Unfortunately barry and gazza now think the only thing to do is copy other people and you get so many people copying any good idea. Some seem to think taking things too far is where its at and that is just stupid unless its very over the top.
Examples of well done ones.... IMO
Really not getting the Beetle, interior looks lovely, paint deep enough to swim in, but it looks like a caricature.Examples of well done ones.... IMO
What is a scary fad is all the mkiv Golfs skimming the deck that have had parts of the chassis removed for clearance. Now I may find this scary because I don't know enough about this 'mod', I'll hold my hands up on that one but cutting lumps out of the chassis doesn't seem the stuff of grounded engineering to a layman.
Im not VAG bashing (though that sounds fun...)
I like VW's, have had a few, mainly Mk1 and Mk2 GTI's and fancy another, Pref a Mk2 with the 20VT transplant as I liked the rawness and usability but dont think 112/139 bhp will do it for me any longer so a standard looking but enhanced car is what I am after, there was nothing I saw that really grabbed me, there was a supercharged MK1 16 valve, one on R1 carbs but it was an innovation desert compared to when I have been before, VR6 engined Lupos, twin engined Golfs etc.
As for the Gols and Polos only being shopping trolleys, what important diplomatic, presedential and humanitarian errands did people run in air cooled VW's ?
I was dissapointed and I know that the other scenes, like the big bodykits, Saxos, bazzed Corsas and that have their own tragic looking heaps, but I kind of expected better with the VW crowd, kind of thought they were a cut above but at the moment I would say that more exciting and original stuff is going on elsewhere.
I like VW's, have had a few, mainly Mk1 and Mk2 GTI's and fancy another, Pref a Mk2 with the 20VT transplant as I liked the rawness and usability but dont think 112/139 bhp will do it for me any longer so a standard looking but enhanced car is what I am after, there was nothing I saw that really grabbed me, there was a supercharged MK1 16 valve, one on R1 carbs but it was an innovation desert compared to when I have been before, VR6 engined Lupos, twin engined Golfs etc.
As for the Gols and Polos only being shopping trolleys, what important diplomatic, presedential and humanitarian errands did people run in air cooled VW's ?
I was dissapointed and I know that the other scenes, like the big bodykits, Saxos, bazzed Corsas and that have their own tragic looking heaps, but I kind of expected better with the VW crowd, kind of thought they were a cut above but at the moment I would say that more exciting and original stuff is going on elsewhere.
Austin.J said:
Low and slow, make your car handle crap, bang all over the road and look like a bell end, that's pretty much the 'dub' scene.
Never seen the point, rather spend the money it cost for them daft wheels and put it in to a half decent engine.
Different people like different things, most guys I know who are into this build their cars to be nice places inside and to look good. Driving fast isn't what these cars are about. Parking up and chatting to your friends seems to be more important than lap times. Usually the cars are cheap to insure which is important for you get people too. I know a few fully dubbed out cars with a lot of engine work, there's a Mark 2 golf back home made to be very light and with a tuned 1.9tdi in it with well over 200bhp and I reckon 80% of the worlds torque. It's quick. And they've spent money on nice wheels too.Never seen the point, rather spend the money it cost for them daft wheels and put it in to a half decent engine.
Polos and golfs aren't exactly sports cars and you are only allowed to do 70 anyway, cornering hard on the roads is likely to lead to dangerous driving if caught as well so may as well drive slowly.
With the notched chassis it's usually a case of hitting it with a hammer to prevent it from connecting with the driveshafts, just bends the bottom of the rail up just enough, or getting it properly cut out and reinforced bits put in so it's just as strong as before. It's not just a chav taking a grinder to it.
J4CKO said:
I was dissapointed and I know that the other scenes, like the big bodykits, Saxos, bazzed Corsas and that have their own tragic looking heaps, but I kind of expected better with the VW crowd.
There is the problem though mate, one 'scene' has descended on the other and they are now the same entity.Twincam16 said:
Also, it's interesting to see the VW Polo two-door saloon becoming recognised as a classic amongst young enthusiasts, and seeing one the other day reminded me actually how elegant it looks, almost like a Lancia Beta coupe:
Sorry, that thing is hideous! Elegant, ridiculously crap more like. The car is crying out to be modified.I mean look at it!
What's with that high roof line, the stupid petrol flap location, those horrible door handles, those plastic arches, just the damn thing itself. It's a hatch with a boot, just why? It looks like something made for the Moroccan market. It's natural habitat should be in a old school scrapyard with an escort of some sort sitting on top of it!
Ferg said:
Mr Dave said:
....cornering hard on the roads is likely to lead to dangerous driving if caught as well so may as well drive slowly.
Er...I'm not saying you can't drive fast but you don't need Bilstein springs and eibach dampers and carbon ceramic brembos on the British roads if you are driving within the law.
Mr Dave said:
So your saying you can corner as if you are on a track on the road?
No.What I'm saying is that if I choose to modify my car so that it accelerates, brakes and corners better than the standard car it is a better use of funds than a 600 stupidwatt sound system and metalflake paint.
My opinion, of course.
I'd argue that it makes my car safer and doesn't mean I will need to be either speeding OR driving dangerously.
Nor slowly.
Mr Dave said:
Austin.J said:
Low and slow, make your car handle crap, bang all over the road and look like a bell end, that's pretty much the 'dub' scene.
Never seen the point, rather spend the money it cost for them daft wheels and put it in to a half decent engine.
Different people like different things, most guys I know who are into this build their cars to be nice places inside and to look good. Driving fast isn't what these cars are about. Parking up and chatting to your friends seems to be more important than lap times. Usually the cars are cheap to insure which is important for you get people too. I know a few fully dubbed out cars with a lot of engine work, there's a Mark 2 golf back home made to be very light and with a tuned 1.9tdi in it with well over 200bhp and I reckon 80% of the worlds torque. It's quick. And they've spent money on nice wheels too.Never seen the point, rather spend the money it cost for them daft wheels and put it in to a half decent engine.
Polos and golfs aren't exactly sports cars and you are only allowed to do 70 anyway, cornering hard on the roads is likely to lead to dangerous driving if caught as well so may as well drive slowly.
With the notched chassis it's usually a case of hitting it with a hammer to prevent it from connecting with the driveshafts, just bends the bottom of the rail up just enough, or getting it properly cut out and reinforced bits put in so it's just as strong as before. It's not just a chav taking a grinder to it.
But each to their own.
Ive read a coupe of posts waxing lyrical about old dubs being reliable. The scirocco i owned was a great looking car and had minimal rot but reliable it was not and neither was my mk2 golf - which was recalled due to a plumbing cock up. Most of those non injection VW's had crappy pierberg carbs or faulty wax stats.
The other half had crumbling filler necks and sucked rusty lumps into the fuel filter making them run rough or not at all. A friend has the rare 4x4 golf country and that is turning slowly to rust so even if you get one that runs well it's more than likely carrying more rust than the bismark. My rovers have been more reliable than any dub i've known or owned, and that is saying something.
I wasn't aware if i was part of a dub scene or not during my ownerships but both my cars were pretty standard. To be honest the people in the clubs were the most easy going and decent bunch you would hope to meet so fk knows where all this anti dub bile comes from just because someone has let their bonnet go rusty and stretched a set of tyres. People need to lighten up.
The other half had crumbling filler necks and sucked rusty lumps into the fuel filter making them run rough or not at all. A friend has the rare 4x4 golf country and that is turning slowly to rust so even if you get one that runs well it's more than likely carrying more rust than the bismark. My rovers have been more reliable than any dub i've known or owned, and that is saying something.
I wasn't aware if i was part of a dub scene or not during my ownerships but both my cars were pretty standard. To be honest the people in the clubs were the most easy going and decent bunch you would hope to meet so f
k knows where all this anti dub bile comes from just because someone has let their bonnet go rusty and stretched a set of tyres. People need to lighten up. I'm starting to think that no one on here has ever been young and had money/ insurance ties. and saying the followers of the scene are all sheep, is a bit pot calling the kettle black. if it's not a performance related modification you don't want to know.
you were young once too, and probably followed the scene at the time!
you were young once too, and probably followed the scene at the time!
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