RE: Tell me I'm wrong: BMW M5
Discussion
lord trumpton said:
It's just not suitable for UK roads. Its a waste of a car.
It's akin to buying a set of callaway and hacking around a pitch 'n' putt.
The rate of depreciation is inversely proportional to its acceleration - epic!
Brilliant post, well presented and backed up with experience and facts... Come on Trumpton, at least those who are not disposed to the M5 are presenting (albeit weakly) a case against it. It's akin to buying a set of callaway and hacking around a pitch 'n' putt.
The rate of depreciation is inversely proportional to its acceleration - epic!
Edited by Session8 on Wednesday 29th January 08:04
Edited by Session8 on Wednesday 29th January 08:04
RoverP6B said:
Incidentally, there is no need for apostrophes in Miuras or RS500s - apostrophes are used in the possessive case, not for plurals. Conversely, you DO need an apostrophe in "its pointless".
Always best to know your stuff before you start correcting people. In addition to possession, apostrophes are also used for contraction and furthermore they may be used in plurals to aid comprehension. They aren't always necessary in plurals but if they help, they may be used.
RoverP6B said:
That was the joy of performance BMWs of old. Only BMW geeks knew they weren't 3/518is. Now, any fool can spot an M5 from a 520d SE, as conspicuously as they could that mid-W12-engined prototype "Golf" featured on TG a few years ago from an ordinary 1.4TFSI Mk5.
That's not true, save the quad pipes, wheels and the badge Joe Public won't notice anything. Even then they'll probably still think nothing of it.Patrick Bateman said:
RoverP6B said:
That was the joy of performance BMWs of old. Only BMW geeks knew they weren't 3/518is. Now, any fool can spot an M5 from a 520d SE, as conspicuously as they could that mid-W12-engined prototype "Golf" featured on TG a few years ago from an ordinary 1.4TFSI Mk5.
That's not true, save the quad pipes, wheels and the badge Joe Public won't notice anything. Even then they'll probably still think nothing of it.SidewaysSi said:
Amirhussain said:
161BMW said:
I didn't realise the E39 M5 is quicker than the E46 M3 around Nurburgring ?
E46 ring time is 8:22 E46 CSL however is 7:50!
Patrick Bateman said:
RoverP6B said:
That was the joy of performance BMWs of old. Only BMW geeks knew they weren't 3/518is. Now, any fool can spot an M5 from a 520d SE, as conspicuously as they could that mid-W12-engined prototype "Golf" featured on TG a few years ago from an ordinary 1.4TFSI Mk5.
That's not true, save the quad pipes, wheels and the badge Joe Public won't notice anything. Even then they'll probably still think nothing of it.9mm said:
Always best to know your stuff before you start correcting people. In addition to possession, apostrophes are also used for contraction and furthermore they may be used in plurals to aid comprehension.
They aren't always necessary in plurals but if they help, they may be used.
I agree with your first sentence: I know, of course, that they are also used in contractions, but that was not germane to the point I was making. They are never, EVER to be used in plurals.They aren't always necessary in plurals but if they help, they may be used.
Leins said:
Plus no front fogs these days, surely a nod to the uninitiated that it's probably just a boggo-spec model
That always puzzled me. I presume with the E60/1 that it was for cooling reasons, having shoehorned in an enormous barely-tamed racing engine into a 5-series, but I'd have thought the turbo V8 would take up less space, that the F10 has a bigger engine bay - and can anyone with a better understanding of physics than I comment on relative operating temperatures of a high-revving N/A engine versus the smaller, not-so-high-revving twin-turbo lump?RoverP6B said:
9mm said:
Always best to know your stuff before you start correcting people. In addition to possession, apostrophes are also used for contraction and furthermore they may be used in plurals to aid comprehension.
They aren't always necessary in plurals but if they help, they may be used.
I agree with your first sentence: I know, of course, that they are also used in contractions, but that was not germane to the point I was making. They are never, EVER to be used in plurals.They aren't always necessary in plurals but if they help, they may be used.
http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/apostrophe_...
I was discussing the BMW M5 a few days ago on this thread. I've just looked back and we're now onto primary school english 
Gotta love PH sometimes.
As above, an apostrophe can be used in a number of ways:
1) In a contraction (don't, didn't, won't, we're etc)
2) To denote ownership, with singular nouns (e.g. John's book, the M5's exhausts); or with plural nouns (e.g. the M5s' exhausts, the dogs' bones).
3) As quotes, when strictly they're not apostrophes, but it's the same character on our keyboards (e.g. 'here be dragons').
Plurals on the other hand are usually formed by:
1) Just adding an 's' (BMWs, Porsches, Fiats). This includes some ey words, such as 'valleys'.
2) In all other ey words, they become 'ies' (curry becomes curries, McFlurry becomes McFlurries).
3) A few other exceptions, like Octopus becomes Octupi etc.
4) Not doing anything, as in 'fish' or 'sheep'.
HTH
I can understand people getting the apostrophe rule wrong, or people who say 'sheeps' or 'vallies'; that's totally understandable and I do the equivalent in French all the time. What I can't understand is people adding apostrophes to plurals; that's never been done and never will be done, which makes it a very weird habit.
Gotta love PH sometimes.As above, an apostrophe can be used in a number of ways:
1) In a contraction (don't, didn't, won't, we're etc)
2) To denote ownership, with singular nouns (e.g. John's book, the M5's exhausts); or with plural nouns (e.g. the M5s' exhausts, the dogs' bones).
3) As quotes, when strictly they're not apostrophes, but it's the same character on our keyboards (e.g. 'here be dragons').
Plurals on the other hand are usually formed by:
1) Just adding an 's' (BMWs, Porsches, Fiats). This includes some ey words, such as 'valleys'.
2) In all other ey words, they become 'ies' (curry becomes curries, McFlurry becomes McFlurries).
3) A few other exceptions, like Octopus becomes Octupi etc.
4) Not doing anything, as in 'fish' or 'sheep'.
HTH
I can understand people getting the apostrophe rule wrong, or people who say 'sheeps' or 'vallies'; that's totally understandable and I do the equivalent in French all the time. What I can't understand is people adding apostrophes to plurals; that's never been done and never will be done, which makes it a very weird habit.Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 29th January 16:12
RoverP6B said:
9mm said:
Always best to know your stuff before you start correcting people. In addition to possession, apostrophes are also used for contraction and furthermore they may be used in plurals to aid comprehension.
They aren't always necessary in plurals but if they help, they may be used.
I agree with your first sentence: I know, of course, that they are also used in contractions, but that was not germane to the point I was making. They are never, EVER to be used in plurals.They aren't always necessary in plurals but if they help, they may be used.
RobM77 said:
What I can't understand is people adding apostrophes to plurals; that's never been done and never will be done, which makes it a very weird habit.
Tomatoe's was always a favourite, in the days before everyone got fruit and veg from the supermarket.Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 29th January 16:12
RoverP6B said:
9mm said:
Always best to know your stuff before you start correcting people. In addition to possession, apostrophes are also used for contraction and furthermore they may be used in plurals to aid comprehension.
They aren't always necessary in plurals but if they help, they may be used.
I agree with your first sentence: I know, of course, that they are also used in contractions, but that was not germane to the point I was making. They are never, EVER to be used in plurals.They aren't always necessary in plurals but if they help, they may be used.
Devil2575 said:
RoverP6B said:
9mm said:
Always best to know your stuff before you start correcting people. In addition to possession, apostrophes are also used for contraction and furthermore they may be used in plurals to aid comprehension.
They aren't always necessary in plurals but if they help, they may be used.
I agree with your first sentence: I know, of course, that they are also used in contractions, but that was not germane to the point I was making. They are never, EVER to be used in plurals.They aren't always necessary in plurals but if they help, they may be used.
http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/apostrophe_...
This is the problem with referencing the internet. Too much duff information taken as fact.
RobM77 said:
HTH I can understand people getting the apostrophe rule wrong, or people who say 'sheeps' or 'vallies'; that's totally understandable and I do the equivalent in French all the time. What I can't understand is people adding apostrophes to plurals; that's never been done and never will be done, which makes it a very weird habit.
You are wrong as well. I can see that I might need to run a class. I can understand people getting the apostrophe rule wrong, or people who say 'sheeps' or 'vallies'; that's totally understandable and I do the equivalent in French all the time. What I can't understand is people adding apostrophes to plurals; that's never been done and never will be done, which makes it a very weird habit.Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 29th January 16:12
I can see why it's tempting to use something to aid comprehension if you're pluralising an acronym, especially one ending with an S (e.g. 'FDS' and therefore the plural would be 'FDSs'), but the trouble is that you get stuck when you need to denote ownership (e.g. FDS's or FDSs'). Best to stick to the rules; they've been around for a long time because they work.
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