The "Dub" scene
Discussion
tinman0 said:
JB! said:
The OEM look:
What??? OEM?? "When referring to automotive parts, OEM designates a replacement part made by the manufacturer of the original part"
The car above has lowered suspension that was never offered by VAG in the first place, that is an aftermarket part.
16-17" wheels were never offered by VAG on a Mk2 Golf, let alone that wheel.
the wheels are BBS RS, a replacement part for the BBS RM's found on factory G60's and Limited's
I'm pretty sure that that colour isn't a standard colour, although it could be the very rare light turquoise blue with a colour cast. Or it could be a colour from another market (I don't mind being wrong on colours).
factory colour
The door handles have been changed by the looks of it as they should be solid black.
replacing the standard part with a porsche standard part, 914 handles iirc
And I've never seen a 3 door Mk2 Golf with pop out rear windows. But again, considering that car looks LHD it could be another market that I'm not familiar with.
happich pop-outs. silly expensive, optional extra's on G60's and rallye's
And someone painted the mirror casing, which leads me to think it's a custom colour.... Sigh....
replacing the standard part with a colour-coded standard part
Nearly OEM, nearly original Mk2:
its about finding those rare optional extras or period add-ons, like fisher cd holders, happich pop-outs, clear indicators, hella rears, period BBS
OR
about "factory look" modernizations, so fitting your Mk2 with a 1.8t using OEM loom, clocks, keys, immob, ecu, cover, and then subtle upgrades like black samco hoses, teflon-coated boost pipes, tucked looms, so that it almost looks like the car rolled out of the factory with that engine fitted.
to the naked eye, these cars are low on nice wheels, its not untill you look really hard or know what your looking for that you notice these mods.
a G60 golf was available from factory, i've no problem with a well-done conversion being called OEM+/OEM-look, hell some OEM bays look nicer than my factory car!!!
Edited by JB! on Thursday 18th November 18:04
Arthur Jackson said:
Why does the 'look' have to have a name? And why do people feel the need to fit in with a 'look'? Odd.
Because it's a lot easier to describe a car as having an OEM+ look rather than going to the depths of describing what OEM+ means like above. Admittedly some still wont get it. Gompo said:
Arthur Jackson said:
Why does the 'look' have to have a name? And why do people feel the need to fit in with a 'look'? Odd.
Because it's a lot easier to describe a car as having an OEM+ look rather than going to the depths of describing what OEM+ means like above. Admittedly some still wont get it. The way I see it is its like any car scene or make, you can fit an MGB for example with new halfords spotlights and wheels but an oem look would be lucas, period 60's Brit lights and wire wheels.
So an OEM look in the VW world would be period items or manufacturer recommended/supplied parts so german wheels like BBS, Bosch or Hella parts or other vag parts that suit the make and era..!?
Though personally I always thought that would apply to a 'correct' looking car and OEM being Origonal Equipment Manufacture? Means using a genuine manufacturers part?
So an OEM look in the VW world would be period items or manufacturer recommended/supplied parts so german wheels like BBS, Bosch or Hella parts or other vag parts that suit the make and era..!?
Though personally I always thought that would apply to a 'correct' looking car and OEM being Origonal Equipment Manufacture? Means using a genuine manufacturers part?
Edited by midgeman on Thursday 18th November 18:30
Ferg said:
Gompo said:
Arthur Jackson said:
Why does the 'look' have to have a name? And why do people feel the need to fit in with a 'look'? Odd.
Because it's a lot easier to describe a car as having an OEM+ look rather than going to the depths of describing what OEM+ means like above. Admittedly some still wont get it. its a fashion thing. if you like a certain style there are unwritten rules you adhere to, to suit the basis of that style. you dont fit a glass and stainless steel kitchen in your tudor mansion, do you?
JB! said:
Ferg said:
Gompo said:
Arthur Jackson said:
Why does the 'look' have to have a name? And why do people feel the need to fit in with a 'look'? Odd.
Because it's a lot easier to describe a car as having an OEM+ look rather than going to the depths of describing what OEM+ means like above. Admittedly some still wont get it. its a fashion thing. if you like a certain style there are unwritten rules you adhere to, to suit the basis of that style. you dont fit a glass and stainless steel kitchen in your tudor mansion, do you?
Fashion.
I see.
Ferg said:
JB! said:
Ferg said:
Gompo said:
Arthur Jackson said:
Why does the 'look' have to have a name? And why do people feel the need to fit in with a 'look'? Odd.
Because it's a lot easier to describe a car as having an OEM+ look rather than going to the depths of describing what OEM+ means like above. Admittedly some still wont get it. its a fashion thing. if you like a certain style there are unwritten rules you adhere to, to suit the basis of that style. you dont fit a glass and stainless steel kitchen in your tudor mansion, do you?
Fashion.
I see.
thats a comment always made on dub forums.
there are people who build the car they want, and people who build the car to set/follow a trend.
creates a nice variety.
JB! said:
tinman0 said:
JB! said:
The OEM look:
What??? OEM?? "When referring to automotive parts, OEM designates a replacement part made by the manufacturer of the original part"
The car above has lowered suspension that was never offered by VAG in the first place, that is an aftermarket part.
16-17" wheels were never offered by VAG on a Mk2 Golf, let alone that wheel.
the wheels are BBS RS, a replacement part for the BBS RM's found on factory G60's and Limited's
I'm pretty sure that that colour isn't a standard colour, although it could be the very rare light turquoise blue with a colour cast. Or it could be a colour from another market (I don't mind being wrong on colours).
factory colour
The door handles have been changed by the looks of it as they should be solid black.
replacing the standard part with a porsche standard part, 914 handles iirc
And I've never seen a 3 door Mk2 Golf with pop out rear windows. But again, considering that car looks LHD it could be another market that I'm not familiar with.
happich pop-outs. silly expensive, optional extra's on G60's and rallye's
And someone painted the mirror casing, which leads me to think it's a custom colour.... Sigh....
replacing the standard part with a colour-coded standard part
Nearly OEM, nearly original Mk2:
its about finding those rare optional extras or period add-ons, like fisher cd holders, happich pop-outs, clear indicators, hella rears, period BBS
OR
about "factory look" modernizations, so fitting your Mk2 with a 1.8t using OEM loom, clocks, keys, immob, ecu, cover, and then subtle upgrades like black samco hoses, teflon-coated boost pipes, tucked looms, so that it almost looks like the car rolled out of the factory with that engine fitted.
to the naked eye, these cars are low on nice wheels, its not untill you look really hard or know what your looking for that you notice these mods.
a G60 golf was available from factory, i've no problem with a well-done conversion being called OEM+/OEM-look, hell some OEM bays look nicer than my factory car!!!
Edited by JB! on Thursday 18th November 18:04
I dont want to turn this into a nerd fest by highlighting more errors in the description of the green mk2 golf but i would go as far as saying it is mostly OEM and the majority of those parts fitted are period and are available from VW. A lot of the options are simple factory upgrades that were silly expensive at the time and are even more expenisve now!
What i like about that mk2 is it doesnt strike me as a "look at me show car" which i would say the white Jetta is. That to me looks awful and no doubt the owner is one of those " its slow an low types" which i personally get bored of.
For me the DUB scene is made of lots of factions, so many people claim to be part of the scene when all they really want is to get a reaction from people. This happens to all manufactures though, this is not a DUB fad.
What gets me is that there are a lot of sheep in the herd but so so many of them have only been interested in dubs for a year or two or since they found the E38 website or since they sold their saxo. I probably sound like a old bloke, im not, i just build cars how I like them hence if i posted pictures of my VW collection the majority would like the totally standard ones and hate the modified ones.....
Can we accept that there are those who build cars for reactions and those who build cars the way they want it and unfortunately its the SHOW cars that get more negative attention from people who don't like VW.
dave
see, i like the jetta because its simple.
dropped, banded and polished G60's, fresh paint. done.
you'd hate my mate's car, ex showcar shell, used to re-shell his cut n shut valver, big bubble arches from the early 00's, mx5 filler cap, frenched tailgate, 80 handles (look slick), gold and polished RM's, dropped as low as it'll go, leopard print headlining, full polybushed... oh and bright purple.
but he drives it like he stole it, and is putting a 20vt in at the end of the month.
its random cars like his that make me love the VW community.
dropped, banded and polished G60's, fresh paint. done.
you'd hate my mate's car, ex showcar shell, used to re-shell his cut n shut valver, big bubble arches from the early 00's, mx5 filler cap, frenched tailgate, 80 handles (look slick), gold and polished RM's, dropped as low as it'll go, leopard print headlining, full polybushed... oh and bright purple.
but he drives it like he stole it, and is putting a 20vt in at the end of the month.
its random cars like his that make me love the VW community.
midgeman said:
The way I see it is its like any car scene or make, you can fit an MGB for example with new halfords spotlights and wheels but an oem look would be lucas, period 60's Brit lights and wire wheels.
So an OEM look in the VW world would be period items or manufacturer recommended/supplied parts so german wheels like BBS, Bosch or Hella parts or other vag parts that suit the make and era..!?
Though personally I always thought that would apply to a 'correct' looking car and OEM being Origonal Equipment Manufacture? Means using a genuine manufacturers part?
Exactly, and half these cars don't use OEM parts in the first place. Why buy a bit of trim from the VAG parts desk when you can mail order a pattern part for half the price inc shipping from Euro Car Parts?So an OEM look in the VW world would be period items or manufacturer recommended/supplied parts so german wheels like BBS, Bosch or Hella parts or other vag parts that suit the make and era..!?
Though personally I always thought that would apply to a 'correct' looking car and OEM being Origonal Equipment Manufacture? Means using a genuine manufacturers part?
The problem with many of these Golfs is that even with the description "OEM" they are using parts that weren't available at the time. A 1980s Mk2 Golf did not roll around on 17" wheels, and nor did people chrome the crap out of their Castellet wheels. And no one ever put G60 plastic wing surrounds on their Golfs in the 80 or 90s, that is an entirely modern thing.
Another thing that annoys me intently is the blacked out rear clusters. Again, that was only ever on a 1988 Campaign, and on some of the GTIs in the final days of the Mk2. So buy everyone putting them on their car they dilute the specialness of the original limited editions - some of which - like 1906VC - still exist.
And when someone nabs an engine out of the Corrado G60; what did the Corrado do to deserve that? Poor b
d. Considering they only made 97k Corrados, and probably only a quarter of those were G60s, you can only surmise that the Corrado pissed off a very angry God in a previous life. But hell, if it keeps one of the 10m Golfs built going.....JB! said:
see, i like the jetta because its simple.
dropped, banded and polished G60's, fresh paint. done.
you'd hate my mate's car, ex showcar shell, used to re-shell his cut n shut valver, big bubble arches from the early 00's, mx5 filler cap, frenched tailgate, 80 handles (look slick), gold and polished RM's, dropped as low as it'll go, leopard print headlining, full polybushed... oh and bright purple.
but he drives it like he stole it, and is putting a 20vt in at the end of the month.
its random cars like his that make me love the VW community.
I like the sound of that. It wasnt a E38 Crew members car by any chance?!dropped, banded and polished G60's, fresh paint. done.
you'd hate my mate's car, ex showcar shell, used to re-shell his cut n shut valver, big bubble arches from the early 00's, mx5 filler cap, frenched tailgate, 80 handles (look slick), gold and polished RM's, dropped as low as it'll go, leopard print headlining, full polybushed... oh and bright purple.
but he drives it like he stole it, and is putting a 20vt in at the end of the month.
its random cars like his that make me love the VW community.
dave
tinman0 said:
midgeman said:
The way I see it is its like any car scene or make, you can fit an MGB for example with new halfords spotlights and wheels but an oem look would be lucas, period 60's Brit lights and wire wheels.
So an OEM look in the VW world would be period items or manufacturer recommended/supplied parts so german wheels like BBS, Bosch or Hella parts or other vag parts that suit the make and era..!?
Though personally I always thought that would apply to a 'correct' looking car and OEM being Origonal Equipment Manufacture? Means using a genuine manufacturers part?
Exactly, and half these cars don't use OEM parts in the first place. Why buy a bit of trim from the VAG parts desk when you can mail order a pattern part for half the price inc shipping from Euro Car Parts?So an OEM look in the VW world would be period items or manufacturer recommended/supplied parts so german wheels like BBS, Bosch or Hella parts or other vag parts that suit the make and era..!?
Though personally I always thought that would apply to a 'correct' looking car and OEM being Origonal Equipment Manufacture? Means using a genuine manufacturers part?
because genuine parts fit better
The problem with many of these Golfs is that even with the description "OEM" they are using parts that weren't available at the time. A 1980s Mk2 Golf did not roll around on 17" wheels, and nor did people chrome the crap out of their Castellet wheels. And no one ever put G60 plastic wing surrounds on their Golfs in the 80 or 90s, that is an entirely modern thing.
the last time i saw a mk2 on 17's was a motorsport-look rallye or early 90's pics from inters. i have not posted any cars wearing 17's.
Another thing that annoys me intently is the blacked out rear clusters. Again, that was only ever on a 1988 Campaign, and on some of the GTIs in the final days of the Mk2. So buy everyone putting them on their car they dilute the specialness of the original limited editions - some of which - like 1906VC - still exist.
they look cleaner than the orange clusters. simple
And when someone nabs an engine out of the Corrado G60; what did the Corrado do to deserve that? Poor b
d. Considering they only made 97k Corrados, and probably only a quarter of those were G60s, you can only surmise that the Corrado pissed off a very angry God in a previous life. But hell, if it keeps one of the 10m Golfs built going.....G60's came in rallye's and mk2's as well... also g60 swaps aren't very common any more, purely because the cost and availability of ABF/VR6/20VT engines, also what happens to the crashed or rotten rados?
started 27th december 09:
at players 2010:
Edited by JB! on Thursday 18th November 20:05
Ferg] said:
I don't understand what the point is in having a name for a 'look'. Is it a show category or something???
If you dont get it, fair enough. Nothing wrong with that, you're probably just not interested. It's the same to some extent as having names for music genres/sub-genres/sub-sub genres. Some people like to define something as quickly/shortly as possible and others dont "I just like what I like". Usually those who cant work out the difference or cant be bothered.. If you're interested in something you're more likely to be bothered about the terms. Nothing to do with fashion, although there are obviously looks which are fashionable at a time.Gompo said:
If you're interested in something you're more likely to be bothered about the terms. Nothing to do with fashion, although there are obviously looks which are fashionable at a time.
I'm interested in a huge variety of cars, but this 'Dub' thing seems to be where you 'need' to have a name for a style. It's truly odd, I think. Incidentally... 'Nothing to do with fashion' but 'looks which are fashionable at a time'..how does that work then??????Is the 'Gasser' look (style) dragster in fashion? No, infact I dont know if I've ever seen one in the metal, it's a descriptive term. There are mechanical reasons for it, but defined usually by it's look. Is 'Ratlook' in fashion? Well, it was 6 months ago and I suppose could be considered still.
If somebody said 'I saw a modified air cooled Beetle today', and if said somebody said it was 'rat look' I'd have a rough idea what it might look like, if they said it was 'California style', I'd again know roughly what it would look like, and it probably wouldnt resemble a 'rat' one.
..I am not a VW sympathiser, I've given a few negative views on the whole 'scene' in this thread. I still have some interest in knowing what's what though.
'Jap style' exhausts, 'South London' look Fords.
I suppose it comes from having an interest in modified cars.
If somebody said 'I saw a modified air cooled Beetle today', and if said somebody said it was 'rat look' I'd have a rough idea what it might look like, if they said it was 'California style', I'd again know roughly what it would look like, and it probably wouldnt resemble a 'rat' one.
..I am not a VW sympathiser, I've given a few negative views on the whole 'scene' in this thread. I still have some interest in knowing what's what though.
'Jap style' exhausts, 'South London' look Fords.
I suppose it comes from having an interest in modified cars.
Gompo said:
I suppose it comes from having an interest in modified cars.
Now this is really hitting the nail on the head. I can't, off hand, think of many people I know who have a genuine interest in cars who haven't 'modified' theirs. Mine is *almost* completely standard, BUT the flywheel is lightened. So here's the thing.. have I got a modified car? Should I be declaring this fact to the world? Perhaps by putting it in a genre? I grew up with modified cars, but I never felt the need to give what I was doing a name! We wanted to go faster. To go 'round corners quicker. How should I have told the world what bracket I was in?? PS I do actually own a VW, but God forbid I ever call it a 'Dub' or pigeonhole it!
Edited by Ferg on Thursday 18th November 20:55
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