The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread Vol II

[Stickyfinger]

Digby said:

So your issue isn't with the driver who caused the incident, you are simply saying he or she is at fault, but that there is a possible chance some of the cyclists could have avoided the situation?

I'm not sure what difference any of that makes to the fact the driver was at fault.

I think both the driver and the lead (right) cyclist are at fault, the driver more so but there was no need for the lead (right) cyclist not to give the blind exit some space just in case. Poor road positioning of the cyclist and lack of attention added to the event and thus culpability.

I totally blame the following/bunching cyclists for not being spaced safely on a road that had such obvious dangers. It takes concentration and close observation to cycle fast so closely bunched, that concentration applied to the road ahead and safe spacing would of prevented them hitting a car which had zero forward movement.

[4x4Tyke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1wmN-mnIFQ

[4x4Tyke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJyi9RJZgHc

[Digby]

Had the driver looked and inched out, no matter how the cyclists were riding, one would assume they would have seen the car and reacted.

100% driver error in my book.

[hornetrider]

4x4Tyke said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1wmN-mnIFQ

What a fkwit!

[ShaunTheSheep]

4x4Tyke said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJyi9RJZgHc

ste overtake attempt obviously but the dashcam drivers reaction delay is unreal.

[ashleyman]

4x4Tyke said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1wmN-mnIFQ

What's that? 2 scraped wheels and a damaged side skirt? Should have just calmed themselves down and done a proper manoeuvre instead of reversing over an island ONTO a roundabout!

[SpeedMattersNot]

ShaunTheSheep said:

4x4Tyke said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJyi9RJZgHc

ste overtake attempt obviously but the dashcam drivers reaction delay is unreal.

Looks about normal for a real life situation where you could be listening to the EU debate on Five Live. Unless you drive as if you're going to die every metre of the road you cover, of course.

[heebeegeetee]

Mr2Mike said:

1. There has been an increase in serious injures of cyclists almost every year for the past ten years, and an overall increase of around 56% since 2004.

2. Would you care to explain how this fit in with the truly bizarre argument that more cyclists on the road improves safety?

3. I'm guessing you have never heard of "defensive riding", a concept that applies to by push bikes and motorcycles?

1. As I asked before - all cyclists? Hospital figures? Mountain bikers and bmxers etc?

2. I'll ask again: All cyclists? 'Cos if so would you explain how off-road cyclists appear in road statistics?

When cyclists go to hospital they're cyclists, no-one is really interested if they're a mountain biker or a bmxer or a race entrant or a time triallist or a utility cyclist or whatever, but a pedestrian is just that, a pedestrian, and a mountain climber is a mountain climber. Get it?

2. Surely you've spent moments (that's all it'll take) to see that you're totally wrong? Surely you've seen stuff like this? https://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2011/05/...
http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1186.html

There's absolutely tons of it all saying the same thing, from every continent. Jesus, you'll be arguing black's white next.

What is bizarre is to argue against irrefutable global evidence. Even if the UK is unique and has the opposite experience that doesn't change the facts for the whole of the rest of the planet. This conversation is bizarre, I'm talking to a flat-earther here.

And talking about risks of cycling:

http://www.cyclinguk.org/campaigning/views-and-bri...
>>Cycling is excellent exercise. It helps people meet the recommended physical activity guidelines, improves their physical and mental health and their well-being, while reducing the risk of premature death and ill-health.

Cycling is far more likely to benefit an individual’s health than damage it; and the more cyclists there are, the safer cycling becomes – the ‘safety in numbers’ effect.

Cycling fits into daily routines better than many other forms of exercise, because it doubles up as transport to work, school or the shops etc. It’s easier than finding extra time to visit the gym and far less costly.

Lack of exercise can make people ill. It can lead to obesity, coronary heart disease (CHD), stroke, cancers, type 2 diabetes and other life-threatening conditions.

Unlike driving, cycling causes negligible harm to others, either through road injuries or pollution, so it’s a healthy option not just for cyclists, but for everyone else too.

The health benefits of cycling outweigh the injury risks by between 13:1 and 415:1, according to studies. The figure that is most often quoted - and endorsed by the Government - is 20:1 (life years gained due to the benefits of cycling v the life-years lost through injuries).<<

https://www.networks.nhs.uk/nhs-networks/spokes-th...

>>For individuals shifting from cars to bicycles, the authors estimated that beneficial effects of increased physical activity would be substantially larger than potential mortality due to increased air pollution exposure and traffic accidents. Societal benefits of cycling were even larger due to a modest reduction in air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions and traffic accidents. The authors conclude that the health benefits of cycling are on average nine times greater than the risks associated with driving a car.<<


Common sense dictates that cyclists are safer in numbers, think about it: In countries like Netherlands and Denmark, which have both the greatest numbers of cyclists and greatest rates of safety (which you consider to be bizarre), the drivers are cyclists and most cyclists are drivers. In the UK most cyclists are drivers but most drivers are not cyclists, which I presume is why so many UK drivers have so much trouble negotiating cyclists and make such a song and dance about it all.

This lack of knowledge might explain why people like you apply rules for drivers to people who aren't driving. Do you keep a 2-second gap to the person in front when walking in a busy shopping mall, or a crowded pavement where a car could swipe you all down at any moment? No of course you don't.

3. No, 'course I haven't. 40 years of driving, driving a wide variety of vehicles from classic cars to hgvs, and finally last year I suffered my first on-road car-to-car contact when a woman nudged my stationary car. No, I've never heard of defensive "riding".

[bobbo89]

This auto-played after the roundabout one on the previous page

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqAy2OIsFE

I can see this one splitting opinion!

[pinchmeimdreamin]

bobbo89 said:

This auto-played after the roundabout one on the previous page

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqAy2OIsFE

I can see this one splitting opinion!

It didn't particularly 3 pages ago

[threespires]

bobbo89 said:

This auto-played after the roundabout one on the previous page

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqAy2OIsFE

I can see this one splitting opinion!

The car driver is at fault for not checking mirrors.
Biker should have anticipated this.
Ride your bike knowing that every car out there is not expecting you & might pull out and kill you.

[defblade]

Talking of motorbikes and things pulling out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2saO7DaLNU

(NSFW due to swearing after impact)

I was cringing a bit at her speed (ok, so that's easy when you know an accident is about to happen, but traffic queued like that is a slightly dangerous situation at the best of times) as she rode along the line but the accident was not the one I expected!

[Byker28i]

defblade said:

Talking of motorbikes and things pulling out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2saO7DaLNU

(NSFW due to swearing after impact)

I was cringing a bit at her speed (ok, so that's easy when you know an accident is about to happen, but traffic queued like that is a slightly dangerous situation at the best of times) as she rode along the line but the accident was not the one I expected!

Totally vans fault - didn't even look for oncoming traffic in the second lane before crossing it, especially as one bike would have gone past just before?

[Mr2Mike]

heebeegeetee said:

1. As I asked before - all cyclists? Hospital figures? Mountain bikers and bmxers etc?

2. I'll ask again: All cyclists? 'Cos if so would you explain how off-road cyclists appear in road statistics?

And I'll ask you, give me the figures that prove otherwise? You have given me a pro-cycling website that show th death rate has reduced, and indeed it has, no dispute there. However the increasing use of saftey items such as cycle helmets have undoubtedly contributed to this.

My argument, backed by the government stats, is that serious injuries have significantly increased. Please give me the evidence that this is increase is entirely due to off-road cyclists.

Your wall of text on the health benefits of cycling is rather irrelevant. Obviously exercise has health benefits (it's benefited me for instance) but it doesn't prevent accidents and injuries occurring, so it's irrelevant in the context of this discussion.

heebeegeetee said:

3. No, 'course I haven't. 40 years of driving, driving a wide variety of vehicles from classic cars to hgvs, and finally last year I suffered my first on-road car-to-car contact when a woman nudged my stationary car. No, I've never heard of defensive "riding".

So please explain why you why believe that cyclists being able to chat to each other is more important than practicing defensive riding? You really aren't doing cyclists any favours with your views.

[Dark85]

Nuclear Biscuit said:

What a total plank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQI_kbdvFzA

I don't mean to interrupt the idiotic important cyclist discussion, but this is one of the most staggering videos that has ever been posted in here. It's difficult to think of a worse place to overtake.

[Frimley111R]

Dark85 said:

Nuclear Biscuit said:

What a total plank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQI_kbdvFzA

I don't mean to interrupt the idiotic important cyclist discussion, but this is one of the most staggering videos that has ever been posted in here. It's difficult to think of a worse place to overtake.

I assume the driver didn't know the road and didn't expect a t-junction around the corner, hence hitting the brakes and spinning. Not that this any way excuses driving so dangerously...

[xRIEx]

Frimley111R said:

Dark85 said:

Nuclear Biscuit said:

What a total plank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQI_kbdvFzA

I don't mean to interrupt the idiotic important cyclist discussion, but this is one of the most staggering videos that has ever been posted in here. It's difficult to think of a worse place to overtake.

I assume the driver didn't know the road and didn't expect a t-junction around the corner, hence hitting the brakes and spinning. Not that this any way excuses driving so dangerously...

Not knowing the road is all the more reason not to be on the wrong side of said road going round a bend.

[budgie smuggler]

ShaunTheSheep said:

ste overtake attempt obviously but the dashcam drivers reaction delay is unreal.

Only a second or so from seeing the car to the bonnet dipping, that's about normal isn't it?

[mikal83]

So it was the bikers fault............what feckin garbage.