VW Golf 7 R -- Chipped -- 0 to 60 in 4 Seconds...
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I'd be very surprised if VW gave you a new engine if it blows after you've had it chipped, the guys that do offer a full OEM warranty like ACS/Hartge and Brabus charge a lot for the remaps for obvious reasons.
Not saying it will blow of course but I wouldn't take the word of a random member of dealership staff and think that equals a warranty.
Not saying it will blow of course but I wouldn't take the word of a random member of dealership staff and think that equals a warranty.
Wills2 said:
I'd be very surprised if VW gave you a new engine if it blows after you've had it chipped, the guys that do offer a full OEM warranty like ACS/Hartge and Brabus charge a lot for the remaps for obvious reasons.
Not saying it will blow of course but I wouldn't take the word of a random member of dealership staff and think that equals a warranty.
I think what the dealership is saying is that in the event of the remap killing the engine, Superchips would cover the replacement cost - taking the responsibility from VW.Not saying it will blow of course but I wouldn't take the word of a random member of dealership staff and think that equals a warranty.
Another video for a mapped Golf R... video is in german but it does look quite rapid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2alzIh3YZMk
426 PS, 560 Nm
0-100 kmh in 3,8 sec (GPS)
0-200 kmh in 13,2 sec (GPS)
the modification includes:
new DSG clutch
modified OEM turbo
new exhaust system
8700€ / £6300
I do wonder how long the engine would last... they seem to offer the modification for all VAG cars with the gen 3 EA888 (Audi S3, TTS, Seat Leon Cupra R)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2alzIh3YZMk
426 PS, 560 Nm
0-100 kmh in 3,8 sec (GPS)
0-200 kmh in 13,2 sec (GPS)
the modification includes:
new DSG clutch
modified OEM turbo
new exhaust system
8700€ / £6300
I do wonder how long the engine would last... they seem to offer the modification for all VAG cars with the gen 3 EA888 (Audi S3, TTS, Seat Leon Cupra R)
Edited by EricE on Sunday 5th April 11:47
Wills2 said:
So it goes from 60-160mph faster/as fast as a C63/e92 M3/RS4 etc...go from 0-100mph?
650hp Hartge M5 takes 21secs 0-155 and the golf does it in 13...
I think it would need a lot more than 400hp to clock those numbers myself a 12c is 14-15 secs to 155mph?
I made a mistake with the conversion. It's 13.2 from 0 to 200 kph, not 160 mph. I'll edit the posting accordingly.650hp Hartge M5 takes 21secs 0-155 and the golf does it in 13...
I think it would need a lot more than 400hp to clock those numbers myself a 12c is 14-15 secs to 155mph?
Irrelevant, really, given that the R is faster than 98% of drivers will ever use.
I always ask the same question when people say a car doesn't have enough power - how often are you at WOT in 3rd at 5000 revs and thinking 'This isn't enough?'.
Most people drive along at 2000rpm and think their 300bhp car isn't dramatically fast. Probably because it has about 100bhp at 2000 revs!
I always ask the same question when people say a car doesn't have enough power - how often are you at WOT in 3rd at 5000 revs and thinking 'This isn't enough?'.
Most people drive along at 2000rpm and think their 300bhp car isn't dramatically fast. Probably because it has about 100bhp at 2000 revs!
EricE said:
Wills2 said:
So it goes from 60-160mph faster/as fast as a C63/e92 M3/RS4 etc...go from 0-100mph?
650hp Hartge M5 takes 21secs 0-155 and the golf does it in 13...
I think it would need a lot more than 400hp to clock those numbers myself a 12c is 14-15 secs to 155mph?
I made a mistake with the conversion. It's 13.2 from 0 to 200 kph, not 160 mph. I'll edit the posting accordingly.650hp Hartge M5 takes 21secs 0-155 and the golf does it in 13...
I think it would need a lot more than 400hp to clock those numbers myself a 12c is 14-15 secs to 155mph?
I think they will struggle with reliability in stock form to be honest. Adding another 130bhp is just asking for some expensive bangs.
Might not be too bad in a manual car as you can baby it in the shifts but a DSG box being subjected to the standard traffic light GP launching won't last long.
Might not be too bad in a manual car as you can baby it in the shifts but a DSG box being subjected to the standard traffic light GP launching won't last long.
Wills2 said:
650hp Hartge M5 takes 21secs 0-155 and the golf does it in 13...
A standard E60 M5 takes 21's in the zero to 150 test. Would have thought with another 150 bhp it would be alot quicker still! (F10 M5 does the same sprint in high 19's)I like the Golf R but not keen on the 4 exhausts, doesn't pull it off in my opinion.
ORD said:
Irrelevant, really, given that the R is faster than 98% of drivers will ever use.
I always ask the same question when people say a car doesn't have enough power - how often are you at WOT in 3rd at 5000 revs and thinking 'This isn't enough?'.
Most people drive along at 2000rpm and think their 300bhp car isn't dramatically fast. Probably because it has about 100bhp at 2000 revs!
These remaps/modifications seem affect the torque around 3000 quite significantly, so I'd say the different would be very noticable. The modified car allegedly puts out 560 Nm @ 3000 rpm, a massive 50% increase over stock. I'd suspect it would be quite noticeable.I always ask the same question when people say a car doesn't have enough power - how often are you at WOT in 3rd at 5000 revs and thinking 'This isn't enough?'.
Most people drive along at 2000rpm and think their 300bhp car isn't dramatically fast. Probably because it has about 100bhp at 2000 revs!
However a bit of research about the company that does these modifications and brought up multiple reports of disgruntled customers whose engines blew up after 20000 km, all of them after the 1 year "tuning warranty" expired. Nothing to see here, move along...
A shame because I'd fancy a S3 with more torque and power than the RS3, more stealthy looks and a significantly lower price tag.
I can't say I have ever wanted more than 300bhp for the road. If you have more mid-range torque, it just means even less ability to plant your foot.
It's so strange that buyers have become more and more obsessed with insane power and performance while the roads have become less and less suitable for fast driving.
Whenever I hear something like '400 lb ft at 2000rpm', all I think is that the car will be impossible to drive remotely hard without losing your licence! It's similar with the insanely long gearing on Porsches- 80 odd mph in second gear!
If journos had to road test cars at sane speeds, they would stop obsessing about headline power and mid-range talk and would focus on handling, engine note and feel from the instruments - all the things that actually matter on the road. The Golf R is pretty bad by those metrics.
We would end up with gorgeous NA, short-geared cars of manufacturers stopped aiming at pub bore numbers and focussed on driving enjoyment.
It's so strange that buyers have become more and more obsessed with insane power and performance while the roads have become less and less suitable for fast driving.
Whenever I hear something like '400 lb ft at 2000rpm', all I think is that the car will be impossible to drive remotely hard without losing your licence! It's similar with the insanely long gearing on Porsches- 80 odd mph in second gear!
If journos had to road test cars at sane speeds, they would stop obsessing about headline power and mid-range talk and would focus on handling, engine note and feel from the instruments - all the things that actually matter on the road. The Golf R is pretty bad by those metrics.
We would end up with gorgeous NA, short-geared cars of manufacturers stopped aiming at pub bore numbers and focussed on driving enjoyment.
why like ? ORD said:
I can't say I have ever wanted more than 300bhp for the road. If you have more mid-range torque, it just means even less ability to plant your foot.
It's so strange that buyers have become more and more obsessed with insane power and performance while the roads have become less and less suitable for fast driving.
Whenever I hear something like '400 lb ft at 2000rpm', all I think is that the car will be impossible to drive remotely hard without losing your licence! It's similar with the insanely long gearing on Porsches- 80 odd mph in second gear!
If journos had to road test cars at sane speeds, they would stop obsessing about headline power and mid-range talk and would focus on handling, engine note and feel from the instruments - all the things that actually matter on the road. The Golf R is pretty bad by those metrics.
We would end up with gorgeous NA, short-geared cars of manufacturers stopped aiming at pub bore numbers and focussed on driving enjoyment.
+1. Even in my ~210 BHP Mini earlier today, I can remember reaching the end of 3rd and thinking "Another three gears to go; where am I going to do that (without getting arrested)?".It's so strange that buyers have become more and more obsessed with insane power and performance while the roads have become less and less suitable for fast driving.
Whenever I hear something like '400 lb ft at 2000rpm', all I think is that the car will be impossible to drive remotely hard without losing your licence! It's similar with the insanely long gearing on Porsches- 80 odd mph in second gear!
If journos had to road test cars at sane speeds, they would stop obsessing about headline power and mid-range talk and would focus on handling, engine note and feel from the instruments - all the things that actually matter on the road. The Golf R is pretty bad by those metrics.
We would end up with gorgeous NA, short-geared cars of manufacturers stopped aiming at pub bore numbers and focussed on driving enjoyment.
zainster said:
Wills2 said:
650hp Hartge M5 takes 21secs 0-155 and the golf does it in 13...
A standard E60 M5 takes 21's in the zero to 150 test. Would have thought with another 150 bhp it would be alot quicker still! (F10 M5 does the same sprint in high 19's)I like the Golf R but not keen on the 4 exhausts, doesn't pull it off in my opinion.
Wills2 said:
zainster said:
Wills2 said:
650hp Hartge M5 takes 21secs 0-155 and the golf does it in 13...
A standard E60 M5 takes 21's in the zero to 150 test. Would have thought with another 150 bhp it would be alot quicker still! (F10 M5 does the same sprint in high 19's)I like the Golf R but not keen on the 4 exhausts, doesn't pull it off in my opinion.
Car & Driver & Autocar tested the E60 M5 at 20.7 & 21.0 from 0-150 & the F10 at 18.3 (C&D) & 19.9 (Autocar).
http://performancecarstats.co.uk/performance-stats...
Sorry for taking this off topic!
zainster said:
Ah ok... if that figure is right then that's a case of aftermarket tuning making the standard car slower!
Car & Driver & Autocar tested the E60 M5 at 20.7 & 21.0 from 0-150 & the F10 at 18.3 (C&D) & 19.9 (Autocar).
http://performancecarstats.co.uk/performance-stats...
Sorry for taking this off topic!
I would dimiss the C & D times for various reasons for one they allow a 3ft roll out knocks about 0.5sec off the overall run, SoCal temps mean very sticky rubber, most runs done one way and only one up with low fuel etc...Car & Driver & Autocar tested the E60 M5 at 20.7 & 21.0 from 0-150 & the F10 at 18.3 (C&D) & 19.9 (Autocar).
http://performancecarstats.co.uk/performance-stats...
Sorry for taking this off topic!
The autocar run is more representive UK weather conditions, two up, full tank and a two way average.
But you're talking about 150mph I quoted 250kph which is 155mph and at that speed the extra 5mph will take at least 1.5-2 seconds add that to the autocar numbers and you arrive at 21.5-22 seconds to 250 kph pretty much as I stated in my post.
Clivey said:
ORD said:
I can't say I have ever wanted more than 300bhp for the road. If you have more mid-range torque, it just means even less ability to plant your foot.
It's so strange that buyers have become more and more obsessed with insane power and performance while the roads have become less and less suitable for fast driving.
Whenever I hear something like '400 lb ft at 2000rpm', all I think is that the car will be impossible to drive remotely hard without losing your licence! It's similar with the insanely long gearing on Porsches- 80 odd mph in second gear!
If journos had to road test cars at sane speeds, they would stop obsessing about headline power and mid-range talk and would focus on handling, engine note and feel from the instruments - all the things that actually matter on the road. The Golf R is pretty bad by those metrics.
We would end up with gorgeous NA, short-geared cars of manufacturers stopped aiming at pub bore numbers and focussed on driving enjoyment.
+1. Even in my ~210 BHP Mini earlier today, I can remember reaching the end of 3rd and thinking "Another three gears to go; where am I going to do that (without getting arrested)?".It's so strange that buyers have become more and more obsessed with insane power and performance while the roads have become less and less suitable for fast driving.
Whenever I hear something like '400 lb ft at 2000rpm', all I think is that the car will be impossible to drive remotely hard without losing your licence! It's similar with the insanely long gearing on Porsches- 80 odd mph in second gear!
If journos had to road test cars at sane speeds, they would stop obsessing about headline power and mid-range talk and would focus on handling, engine note and feel from the instruments - all the things that actually matter on the road. The Golf R is pretty bad by those metrics.
We would end up with gorgeous NA, short-geared cars of manufacturers stopped aiming at pub bore numbers and focussed on driving enjoyment.
I have an Impreza RB5 (classic) that weighs less than 1200kg and has 360+bhp and its just too much when it comes on boost. It's perfectly stable and controllable but the rate at which it accelerates means if you drive it on full throttle it just rips through any speed limit if you allow it too!
I actually think its a lot less fun than when it had 260bhp because you just can't drive it at full effort because it would be too fast for most roads and because I value my license!
I'm of the mind this level of performance isn't good under any scenario on the road.
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