RE: Subaru Isle of Man TT car - new pictures
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
BrownBottle said:
Nice pics bigmowley!
I wasn't really that bothered about the current Subaru before but this one is making me see it in a whole new light. It makes me want to rush off to the classifieds, I guess that's how this sort of marketing exercise works by changing our perception of a model.
It's also got me watching a bit of the bike racing (ITV 4 last night), so it's drawing in viewers that otherwise wouldn't have bothered.
Great job by everyone involved.
With you on this. I wasn't really that bothered about the current Subaru before but this one is making me see it in a whole new light. It makes me want to rush off to the classifieds, I guess that's how this sort of marketing exercise works by changing our perception of a model.
It's also got me watching a bit of the bike racing (ITV 4 last night), so it's drawing in viewers that otherwise wouldn't have bothered.
Great job by everyone involved.
I loved the original Impreza 2000 yet everything in between nope. If Suburu build a monster like this and sell it here in the UK that would certainly get my interest
Lets just say this Subaru will easily be a £300k+ car
janesmith1950 said:
Does that mean the equivalent of a sports bike would be a sports car, rather than say, a Moto GP race bike against a race car?
In which case, is there someone with something like a McLaren P1 who fancies tinkering with it and risking the course?
From my own experience of the engineering of both, I would say that the equivalent of a decent modern sports bike (BMW S1000RR, Fireblade etc) is a Radical or even a single seater. I realise the difference in road legality, but looking at the engineering used in each that's the only conclusion I can come to. A sports car such as a 911 or 458 is more the equivalent of a VFR. The market for fast cars and fast bikes is very different - people don't buy a GSXR for the same reasons people buy a 911.In which case, is there someone with something like a McLaren P1 who fancies tinkering with it and risking the course?
ETA: I love the fine no compromise engineering in both superbikes and single seaters. For me this is a massive draw towards owning one (I own the latter). A 911 or V8V doesn't interest me at all, unless I perhaps had so much money that I'd paid the mortgage off, had a Ducati 748, a decent single seater (My current FR, an F3 or an F3000) and a very nice tow car (M5 Touring!), but only then would something like a 911 or R8 interest me. Maybe that's a better way of putting it?
Edited by RobM77 on Sunday 5th June 21:15
Olivera said:
Welshbeef said:
BrownBottle said:
Nice pics bigmowley!
I wasn't really that bothered about the current Subaru before but this one is making me see it in a whole new light. It makes me want to rush off to the classifieds, I guess that's how this sort of marketing exercise works by changing our perception of a model.
It's also got me watching a bit of the bike racing (ITV 4 last night), so it's drawing in viewers that otherwise wouldn't have bothered.
Great job by everyone involved.
With you on this. I wasn't really that bothered about the current Subaru before but this one is making me see it in a whole new light. It makes me want to rush off to the classifieds, I guess that's how this sort of marketing exercise works by changing our perception of a model.
It's also got me watching a bit of the bike racing (ITV 4 last night), so it's drawing in viewers that otherwise wouldn't have bothered.
Great job by everyone involved.
I loved the original Impreza 2000 yet everything in between nope. If Suburu build a monster like this and sell it here in the UK that would certainly get my interest
Lets just say this Subaru will easily be a £300k+ car
Info on the car is here but the link to JRM doesn't work as there is a newer car (see link below this one!); http://jalopnik.com/subaru-sells-a-wrx-sti-rally-c...
http://www.jrm-group.com/nr4-subaru-wrx-sti
To buy & build a decent Superbike you're looking at 50-60k a Superstock will be about 25k which is why a lot of privateers race Superstocks in the Superbike races, Superbikes are amazingly finicky to get set up the electronics are a nightmare to get right which is why most of them get stripped off in the end as the bumps & speed throw them out of their parameters.
All of that for what might be a 2mph gain, of course we'd have one in a heartbeat if given one
All of that for what might be a 2mph gain, of course we'd have one in a heartbeat if given one
He's not past it but he's around 10-15bhp down plus they've not put the updates on it like the Ten Kate Honda's in WSB have had.
He won't win the Senior this year infact he won't win a race this year but he will come back strong next year.
Remember he still finished 3rd in front of a hell of a lot of talented riders who were giving it everything, in some cases on bikes with more BHP & they didn't beat him.
He won't win the Senior this year infact he won't win a race this year but he will come back strong next year.
Remember he still finished 3rd in front of a hell of a lot of talented riders who were giving it everything, in some cases on bikes with more BHP & they didn't beat him.
sim16v said:
Awesome pic bud, thanks for posting! 
ZX10R NIN said:
As for a MotoGP bike the main problem would be the stiffness of the chassis this is something the R1M in particular suffers with this. You need have a certain amount of flex in the chassis I reckon a Panigale would be a nightmare.
MotoGP bikes work on such a narrow knife edge of performance I think you'd genuinely struggle to set one up for all the compromises the TT course needs.
sim16v said:
Link not workingAntiLagGC8 said:
Awesome pic bud, thanks for posting!
Thanks but I can't claim it is mine!Taken from Mark's twitter feed, so thanks to the photographer....
Welshbeef said:
Link not working
Apologies, I tried it and it worked the first time for me, but didn't work now.This is the link and I hope it is working now!
https://twitter.com/Mhigginsrally/status/739396848...
Edited by sim16v on Monday 6th June 00:44
Bike giving everything a thorough workout lol
& the mother award for the mother of all tank slappers at the TT is this guy, this tank slapper is TT folklore but I thought I'd share it with those new to the sport.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
A cool action compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe0igW8jNyU
The first minute of this one shows the cornering forces the bike works with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS43s3slbGY
& the mother award for the mother of all tank slappers at the TT is this guy, this tank slapper is TT folklore but I thought I'd share it with those new to the sport.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
A cool action compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe0igW8jNyU
The first minute of this one shows the cornering forces the bike works with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS43s3slbGY
ZX10R NIN said:
He's not past it but he's around 10-15bhp down plus they've not put the updates on it like the Ten Kate Honda's in WSB have had.
He won't win the Senior this year infact he won't win a race this year but he will come back strong next year.
Remember he still finished 3rd in front of a hell of a lot of talented riders who were giving it everything, in some cases on bikes with more BHP & they didn't beat him.
Everyone said he was "past it" last year and he went on to thrash everyone in the senior. Second was Ian Huchinson on the ZX10 about 30 seconds behind and Dunlop was even further behind on his last minute BMW. John said the Fireblade now had a few more hp but in reality it cannot be competitive against the BMWs. New bike next year apparently.He won't win the Senior this year infact he won't win a race this year but he will come back strong next year.
Remember he still finished 3rd in front of a hell of a lot of talented riders who were giving it everything, in some cases on bikes with more BHP & they didn't beat him.
Yes it's got around 230bhp but it could have had another 10bhp but they didn't want to change to much, McPint doesn't like to mess with things when they're winning, no new Blade as such next year but a major update also remember Dunlop really doesn't want the TT wins record broken, although now they include the electric race John could pass Joey (but I'm pretty sure he'd not want to do it that way) I said before the practice week he wouldn't win a race (I don't count the Zero because of the lack of competition) this week but a third is great going.
Hutchinson had run on (forced by McPints pace)& had engine woes & Dunlop was battered but the laps he put in were stunning.
Hutchinson had run on (forced by McPints pace)& had engine woes & Dunlop was battered but the laps he put in were stunning.
DeolTheBeast said:
126.971 mph
Impressive.
It really is. Been in a car with Mr Higgins (and his dad!) and he is scarily quick.Impressive.
Reading the story of the car, it seems quite well developed (in a kind of bolt the best bits available together way), so is this near the max a car can get on the TT circuit
Gary C said:
It really is. Been in a car with Mr Higgins (and his dad!) and he is scarily quick.
Reading the story of the car, it seems quite well developed (in a kind of bolt the best bits available together way), so is this near the max a car can get on the TT circuit
Absolutely nowhere near it. I've been on test days with loony tuned Imprezas and Evos and they were doing Caterham lap times. I suspect this factory job is faster, but it's still going to be nowhere near a proper racing car. I suspect it'd do about 7min30 at the ring? Group C were in the low 6s in the 80s and modern racing cars would be deep into the 5s. I'm not saying that Subaru's effort this week isn't a great thing to watch, made all the more impressive by Mark's superb driving, but a tuned road saloon is never going to be 'fast' in absolute terms.Reading the story of the car, it seems quite well developed (in a kind of bolt the best bits available together way), so is this near the max a car can get on the TT circuit
RobM77 said:
Gary C said:
It really is. Been in a car with Mr Higgins (and his dad!) and he is scarily quick.
Reading the story of the car, it seems quite well developed (in a kind of bolt the best bits available together way), so is this near the max a car can get on the TT circuit
Absolutely nowhere near it. I've been on test days with loony tuned Imprezas and Evos and they were doing Caterham lap times. I suspect this factory job is faster, but it's still going to be nowhere near a proper racing car. I suspect it'd do about 7min30 at the ring? Group C were in the low 6s in the 80s and modern racing cars would be deep into the 5s. I'm not saying that Subaru's effort this week isn't a great thing to watch, made all the more impressive by Mark's superb driving, but a tuned road saloon is never going to be 'fast' in absolute terms.Reading the story of the car, it seems quite well developed (in a kind of bolt the best bits available together way), so is this near the max a car can get on the TT circuit
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