RE: Driven: Toyota GT 86
Discussion
I can never understand on these threads why people who don't like it and have no intention of buying it, then insist on clogging up the pages with mindless drivel about the relative merits of other cars that are irrelevant to most of the demographic this car is aimed at when new.
Fair enough come on to the thread, tell us you don't like it and your reasons why, but then bugger off to discuss cars you are interested in.
I won't ever buy an MX5 but you don't see me trolling the Mazda forum deliberately antagonising people!
Gets on my tits tbh!
Fair enough come on to the thread, tell us you don't like it and your reasons why, but then bugger off to discuss cars you are interested in.
I won't ever buy an MX5 but you don't see me trolling the Mazda forum deliberately antagonising people!
Gets on my tits tbh!
nickfrog said:
You can be rather pedantic at times ;-)... I assumed those guys referred to longitudinal adhesion (traction) rather than lateral grip and didn't want to correct them... so you are quite right but the Toyota will have indeed less inherent traction which is only helping the public road drifters if the front end is hooked up (which it would be with a low COG engine and a light front end), unless indeed the game has moved on and people want to be able to 4-wheel drift at will around the Asda car park !
Ah. I didn't think he was, I thought he was talking specifically about lateral grip, which is why I pulled you up on it. 
One thing I don't like about modern cars is the tendency to have so much lateral grip that you've got to be going at absolutely obscene speeds to approach the limits of grip. This seems to be bucking that trend, which is a good thing IMO.
I don't really care about traction much but if you want that, buy something 4WD.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 7th December 16:27
Bullett said:
I've just been to see my local dealer.
He said £25k very few options, £600 for metallic and +£1k for leather. Of course he may have been blagging and getting his info from the same places we are.
Wanted a £500 non-refundable deposit, I would be no1 on the waiting list. Not prepared to spend that on a car I've not seen let alone driven. Any Toyota dealers want to offer me a better deal?
my local garage wanted a £1k deposit.. of course you wouldnt be #1 on their waiting list, as they've already sold 2.He said £25k very few options, £600 for metallic and +£1k for leather. Of course he may have been blagging and getting his info from the same places we are.
Wanted a £500 non-refundable deposit, I would be no1 on the waiting list. Not prepared to spend that on a car I've not seen let alone driven. Any Toyota dealers want to offer me a better deal?
Bullett said:
I've just been to see my local dealer.
He said £25k very few options, £600 for metallic and +£1k for leather. Of course he may have been blagging and getting his info from the same places we are.
Wanted a £500 non-refundable deposit, I would be no1 on the waiting list. Not prepared to spend that on a car I've not seen let alone driven. Any Toyota dealers want to offer me a better deal?
He is blagging it! We have not had any official word on pricing other than it will be 'around £25K'. Anything else is pure speculation.He said £25k very few options, £600 for metallic and +£1k for leather. Of course he may have been blagging and getting his info from the same places we are.
Wanted a £500 non-refundable deposit, I would be no1 on the waiting list. Not prepared to spend that on a car I've not seen let alone driven. Any Toyota dealers want to offer me a better deal?
The dealers allocation is going to be capped for 2012 so it's very unlikely you will get a deal on one (I think we will be able to sell our allocation at full list price for a while, so there will be no need to drop the price)
A smilar thing happened with the IQ release, they were also capped and I don't think we discounted one for nearly 6 months.
Edited by Save Ferris on Wednesday 7th December 17:01
antspants said:
I can never understand on these threads why people who don't like it and have no intention of buying it, then insist on clogging up the pages with mindless drivel about the relative merits of other cars that are irrelevant to most of the demographic this car is aimed at when new.
Fair enough come on to the thread, tell us you don't like it and your reasons why, but then bugger off to discuss cars you are interested in.
I won't ever buy an MX5 but you don't see me trolling the Mazda forum deliberately antagonising people!
Gets on my tits tbh!
10 pages later and its still going on, how many posts have added value and knowledge I wonder? lolFair enough come on to the thread, tell us you don't like it and your reasons why, but then bugger off to discuss cars you are interested in.
I won't ever buy an MX5 but you don't see me trolling the Mazda forum deliberately antagonising people!
Gets on my tits tbh!
Here is a link to the Japanese brochure if anyone is interested.
Having owned 3 GT-V AE86 corolla's (in New Zealand)in the past I can assure you that this will be a fantastic car if the ethos has remained. We have great roads here for this type of car. I have fond memories of the originals sitting at red-line for hours at a time taking me and my mates to the beach to bird-watch. http://www.fr-sforum.com/forums/fr-s-general-discu...
Having owned 3 GT-V AE86 corolla's (in New Zealand)in the past I can assure you that this will be a fantastic car if the ethos has remained. We have great roads here for this type of car. I have fond memories of the originals sitting at red-line for hours at a time taking me and my mates to the beach to bird-watch. http://www.fr-sforum.com/forums/fr-s-general-discu...
Save Ferris said:
He is blagging it! We have not had any official word on pricing other than it will be 'around £25K'. Anything else is pure speculation.
The dealers allocation is going to be capped for 2012 so it's very unlikely you will get a deal on one (I think we will be able to sell our allocation at full list price for a while, so there will be no need to drop the price)
A smilar thing happened with the IQ release, they were also capped and I don't think we discounted one for nearly 6 months.
Thought so.The dealers allocation is going to be capped for 2012 so it's very unlikely you will get a deal on one (I think we will be able to sell our allocation at full list price for a while, so there will be no need to drop the price)
A smilar thing happened with the IQ release, they were also capped and I don't think we discounted one for nearly 6 months.
With regard to a deal I was referring to a refundable deposit rather than cheaper than list. Is there a policy on this or does it depend on dealership? Because with no confirmed price, no information and certainly no test car I'm not risking the cash.
Follow this link for some amusing driving styles in Japan in the new FT86 www.ft86club.com
Bullett said:
Is there a policy on this or does it depend on dealership? Because with no confirmed price, no information and certainly no test car I'm not risking the cash.
A dealer would want at least a £500 deposit from you to order the car. This is mainly because they will get a £500 charge themselves if the order is cancelled (or the customer details are ammended). Even if the car were fully purchased on finance they would want £500 holding deposit and refund this to you at handover.
Save Ferris said:
Bullett said:
Is there a policy on this or does it depend on dealership? Because with no confirmed price, no information and certainly no test car I'm not risking the cash.
A dealer would want at least a £500 deposit from you to order the car. This is mainly because they will get a £500 charge themselves if the order is cancelled (or the customer details are ammended). Even if the car were fully purchased on finance they would want £500 holding deposit and refund this to you at handover.
The required deposit will go down once the car is released but there is a real premium for a 2012 build as most dealers are going to get ~6 cars.
Dagnut said:
Marf said:
Seriously
Plenty of other examples out there, just image search b16 dyno or b18 dyno.
Interesting..genuinely surprised by thatPlenty of other examples out there, just image search b16 dyno or b18 dyno.
If they only wanted to do top end power then it would have just the "vtec" high lift cams and a poor torque and lumpy low rev behaviour.
Vtec engines are just known for "low torque" as they are normally aspirated compared the forced induction competition.
RobCrezz said:
The whole point of vtec (and other variable valve timing systems with lift control) is to have a set of cams for the low down usability and then to jump on a set of high lift cams (when tuning a n/a engine you might put in a set of higher lift cams to give you more top end power) when the revs are high enough.
If they only wanted to do top end power then it would have just the "vtec" high lift cams and a poor torque and lumpy low rev behaviour.
Vtec engines are just known for "low torque" as they are normally aspirated compared the forced induction competition.
In understand that I've had a Vtec, I just never would of guessed it was making the bulk of the torque so low.If they only wanted to do top end power then it would have just the "vtec" high lift cams and a poor torque and lumpy low rev behaviour.
Vtec engines are just known for "low torque" as they are normally aspirated compared the forced induction competition.
Not only do they make the bulk of their torque at low speed, but the mental redline allows for shorter gear ratios compared to your average 6000rpm turbo engine, so the physical torque at the wheels is on a par with a turbocharged engine of the same power.
The torqueless wonder jibes are purely the reserve of people that have never driven them IMO. I know, I used to be one...
The torqueless wonder jibes are purely the reserve of people that have never driven them IMO. I know, I used to be one...
Dagnut said:
RobCrezz said:
The whole point of vtec (and other variable valve timing systems with lift control) is to have a set of cams for the low down usability and then to jump on a set of high lift cams (when tuning a n/a engine you might put in a set of higher lift cams to give you more top end power) when the revs are high enough.
If they only wanted to do top end power then it would have just the "vtec" high lift cams and a poor torque and lumpy low rev behaviour.
Vtec engines are just known for "low torque" as they are normally aspirated compared the forced induction competition.
In understand that I've had a Vtec, I just never would of guessed it was making the bulk of the torque so low.If they only wanted to do top end power then it would have just the "vtec" high lift cams and a poor torque and lumpy low rev behaviour.
Vtec engines are just known for "low torque" as they are normally aspirated compared the forced induction competition.
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