The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T (Vol XVII)

[L100NYY]

I drove one of them there LS engined Defenders.

Mental. Really, properly mental. It felt like the engine knew it wasn't designed to be there and was trying to escape everytime you put your foot down.

[Output Flange]

anonymous said:

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The good news is that you don't have to!

[olly755]

anonymous said:

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I see it more as a 10 grand saving by buying a Cayman, rather than paying a 10 grand premium for a 911 though?

[rejn]

Just to add to the mix of 911 conversations, I've just spotted this on the RPM site.



A twin-turbo'd 600hp 996 GT3. Heresy to some, I'm sure, but not without it's attractions.

Especially as it's been de-spoilered for ultimate stealth mode.

I like it.

[Patrick Bateman]

[Output Flange]

rejn said:

Just to add to the mix of 911 conversations, I've just spotted this on the RPM site.



A twin-turbo'd 600hp 996 GT3. Heresy to some, I'm sure, but not without it's attractions.

Especially as it's been de-spoilered for ultimate stealth mode.

I like it.

Hell yes. With bells on.

[ferrisbueller]

anonymous said:

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Whilst I can see the point you're trying to make, I don't agree. There are some significant differences between Cayman and 911 as far as I know, though my Pork beard is patchy at best.

[ferrisbueller]

jeremyc said:

L100NYY said:

But that logic could be applied to any car vs the next model up in the range.

Which is why man-maths always comes up with the answer of buying the top of the range car.

So, a Turbo for Ferris then.

Ah Jeremy, you know me too well.

Man maths then reverts to the depreciation argument which has stood me in such good stead to this point and I end up back at GT3!

[Gruber]

All this Porsche chat over the last couple of days has got me looking at 993s again. Far and away my favourite shaped 911.

It seems a good'un (manual, C2, sub-100k miles) is now £45k. Is that nuts? Or safer than money in the bank?

[L100NYY]

My neighbour has a lovely Iris Blue 993, much wantage every time he goes out in the thing

[Output Flange]

Your £45k should be relatively safe barring a major meltdown.

Whether a 993 would feel like good value at £45k is another question.

[Gruber]

Output Flange said:

Whether a 993 would feel like good value at £45k is another question.

...and it's this bit I struggle with. I should have bought one when they were £25k - they seemed expensive but just about justifiable then. At almost twice that they feel artifically and unjustifably expensive.

But if the two (future value and VFM) go hand in hand, maybe it doesn't matter. If you can sell it for as much as you bought it for then, assuming you don't need the cash for something else in the meantime, it's essentially free. Which is pretty epic VFM.

I ought to become an IFA.

[Gruber]

Something like this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Or maybe this one:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Strong money for the mileage... but look how pretty they are!!

Edited by Gruber on Saturday 23 January 08:37

[Output Flange]

£50k for that. fksticks. I couldn't do it.

[GreatPretender]

Gruber said:

All this Porsche chat over the last couple of days has got me looking at 993s again. Far and away my favourite shaped 911.

It seems a good'un (manual, C2, sub-100k miles) is now £45k. Is that nuts? Or safer than money in the bank?

Depends what you want: a garage queen or a useable car? if the latter, then remember that you'll still need to constantly maintain the thing despite the 45k entry fee.

Then, when you consider that the same money buys you a 996 GT3, I'd say it looks like poor value. Sure, the GT3 will still cost a fortune to keep in fine fettle, but there are few cars even today that offer a finer driving experience. Speaking of which, have you driven a 993? Prepare to be 'surprised' if you haven't. I think its fair to say their looks have aged better than the dynamics.

Both cars are destined to at least hold their money (IMO), so its really a question of what your priorities are.

[Gruber]

I know. Ship has sailed for me, I think.

In any event, it's a stupid idea. If we can't all easily fit in it (me, Mrs G, Baby G and all his gubbins) it'll never get used.

Back to the RS4 plan.

[GreatPretender]

Which reminds me: I really need to get back into some Hog this year.

[Crook]

Had seen this a while ago and it echoes GP's comments re value. I know where I'd be putting my Amigo loan.

GT3

even though it is from France.

[Gruber]

GreatPretender said:

Depends what you want: a garage queen or a useable car? if the latter, then remember that you'll still need to constantly maintain the thing despite the 45k entry fee.

Then, when you consider that the same money buys you a 996 GT3, I'd say it looks like poor value. Sure, the GT3 will still cost a fortune to keep in fine fettle, but there are few cars even today that offer a finer driving experience. Speaking of which, have you driven a 993? Prepare to be 'surprised' if you haven't. I think its fair to say their looks have aged better than the dynamics.

Both cars are destined to at least hold their money (IMO), so its really a question of what your priorities are.

Good points.

I'd want a useable car for 3-4k miles p.a. tops.

Thing is, I don't really get much time for "fun" driving these days - certainly very little opportunity to nip off for a track day or a hoon around Snowdonia. So something as focussed as a GT3 doesn't really fit with current life stage.

And no, I haven't driven a 993. But I hear what you say about dynamics. That said, I enjoyed the dynamics of the e28 M5, so I'm ok with "dated".

Basically, the 1M is provisionally sold and there's some spare cash to "invest" in something that'll provide an element of fun, in a depreciation-resistant, family friendly package.

[barchetta_boy]

When you say family friendly do you need 4 seats?