So I did buy some LingLong Ditchfinders
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KimJongHealthy said:
talksthetorque said:
KimJongHealthy said:
EazyDuz said:
Just trying to justify their purchase even when in reality they will feel zero difference on a daily driver unless they regularly break speed limits
Or simply try to join the busy road and find your driven wheels spinning, quite common occurrence when driving on crap tyres in a country with 100+ rainy days each year..EazyDuz said:
This. Nothing more than a heavy foot. I'd love to see some of these posters combat a bit of snow and ice. Probably be like the simpleton you often see flooring it and moving an inch with tyres spinning like mad.
Obviously they should have fitted the Black Circles budget range, which could be any one of numerous different ultra-budget brands and yet which you have told us are somehow all really good.
Countdown said:
When the tyre evangelists are preaching on safety grounds it does seem a bit hypocritical to be doing stuff like drifting etc on public roads, in my view.
Respect that opinion, but I hope you're not confusing drifting e.g. getting the back end out at a junction with not being in control.xjay1337 said:
My Scirocco has Pilot Sport 4 and Yoko AD08R (front and rear respectively). It grips excellently in all conditions. 235/40/18 and 245/40/18 along with a brace of chassis mod.
I've just taken delivery of a Fiesta ST Line thing which has Conti Sport Contact 5
Even with these, reportedly excellent, CSC5 tyres it feels very skittish especially over bumpy roads when pushed. Even on normal roundabouts in the wet you get the feeling it doesn't have as much grip. I guess due to smaller (205/40/16 I think) tyres and standard soft-ish suspension.
If it was on budgets in the wet it would be horrific.
You have to be quite young if you think a Fiesta ST Line has small tyres and soft suspension!I've just taken delivery of a Fiesta ST Line thing which has Conti Sport Contact 5
Even with these, reportedly excellent, CSC5 tyres it feels very skittish especially over bumpy roads when pushed. Even on normal roundabouts in the wet you get the feeling it doesn't have as much grip. I guess due to smaller (205/40/16 I think) tyres and standard soft-ish suspension.
If it was on budgets in the wet it would be horrific.
Mr2Mike said:
Obviously they should have fitted the Black Circles budget range, which could be any one of numerous different ultra-budget brands and yet which you have told us are somehow all really good.
Please post some evidence to suggest they're inferior to higher end tyres.Thought not
just been having a look at some tyres. Currently have Pirelli Cinturato P7 on the fronts, to replace them £58.
Do I gamble though, on some Infinity Ecosis which seem to get O.K. reviews, my car is a diesel Octavia mk1 so not sporty, My daily road are crap standard, pot holes etc, lots of a and b roads and about 16k per year with a lot of hazards, including deers Do I feel lucky?
would save the grand sum of £35 for 2 tyres.
Do I gamble though, on some Infinity Ecosis which seem to get O.K. reviews, my car is a diesel Octavia mk1 so not sporty, My daily road are crap standard, pot holes etc, lots of a and b roads and about 16k per year with a lot of hazards, including deers Do I feel lucky?
would save the grand sum of £35 for 2 tyres.
EazyDuz said:
Please post some evidence to suggest they're inferior to higher end tyres.
Thought not
Been done numerous times earlier in the thread, every independent test shows this to be the case.Thought not
How about you post some non anecdotal evidence that proves they perform just as well as higher end? Or that drivers on budget tyres drive slower to compensate, as these appear to be your assertions?
EazyDuz said:
Mr2Mike said:
Obviously they should have fitted the Black Circles budget range, which could be any one of numerous different ultra-budget brands and yet which you have told us are somehow all really good.
Please post some evidence to suggest they're inferior to higher end tyres.Thought not
I have a slight confession...I have sinned...
My wife's 1 Series is going back to the Finance Co. in August, but the original tyres were shot after 23k miles and we needed some new ones. Embarrassed to say I took the economical option and just bought the Black Circles value choice - although in my defence I did go up 3 price points and picked the recommended one with C ratings all over
My logic was the car will be doing no more than 1k miles between now and handback time, hardly any motorway stuff, and I don't drive it anyway. The tyres we ended up with were Rapid (?) - never heard of them but they look alright and not being runflat has helped. Yep, they're most likely s
t but in this circumstance I hope I can be forgiven by the PH massive.
As an aside, while I was having them fitted, there was another chap having his alignment done. The mechanic came to see him and said "we can't do your alignment as two of your tyres are below 1mm and illegal, there's no point doing anything until you've replaced them" The conversation ended with the customer saying he couldn't afford new tyres, the garage telling him in no uncertain terms that he should not be driving anywhere and asking him to sign a disclaimer. I felt sorry for the guy a little, but he had a 59-plate 1-series and couldn't even afford to stick a st pair of tyres on it.
In those circumstances I would definitely have told to fit any old ditchfinder to get him through. Some people...
My wife's 1 Series is going back to the Finance Co. in August, but the original tyres were shot after 23k miles and we needed some new ones. Embarrassed to say I took the economical option and just bought the Black Circles value choice - although in my defence I did go up 3 price points and picked the recommended one with C ratings all over
My logic was the car will be doing no more than 1k miles between now and handback time, hardly any motorway stuff, and I don't drive it anyway. The tyres we ended up with were Rapid (?) - never heard of them but they look alright and not being runflat has helped. Yep, they're most likely s
t but in this circumstance I hope I can be forgiven by the PH massive.As an aside, while I was having them fitted, there was another chap having his alignment done. The mechanic came to see him and said "we can't do your alignment as two of your tyres are below 1mm and illegal, there's no point doing anything until you've replaced them" The conversation ended with the customer saying he couldn't afford new tyres, the garage telling him in no uncertain terms that he should not be driving anywhere and asking him to sign a disclaimer. I felt sorry for the guy a little, but he had a 59-plate 1-series and couldn't even afford to stick a s
t pair of tyres on it.In those circumstances I would definitely have told to fit any old ditchfinder to get him through. Some people...
lowdrag said:
Some years back I fitted hang kooks to the car. After a while had a really weird sensation when running about 50 mph. Turned out the two fronts were oval. Never again!
Assuming you mean Hankook they are a decent mid range brand, but as with anything there can be the odd old, dodgy or badly stored batch. Had a similar experience with some Toyo T1's many years ago, but had used them a number of times on other cars before without any issues.Jefferson Steelflex said:
I have a slight confession...I have sinned...
My wife's 1 Series is going back to the Finance Co. in August, but the original tyres were shot after 23k miles and we needed some new ones. Embarrassed to say I took the economical option and just bought the Black Circles value choice - although in my defence I did go up 3 price points and picked the recommended one with C ratings all over
My logic was the car will be doing no more than 1k miles between now and handback time, hardly any motorway stuff, and I don't drive it anyway. The tyres we ended up with were Rapid (?) - never heard of them but they look alright and not being runflat has helped. Yep, they're most likely st but in this circumstance I hope I can be forgiven by the PH massive.
As an aside, while I was having them fitted, there was another chap having his alignment done. The mechanic came to see him and said "we can't do your alignment as two of your tyres are below 1mm and illegal, there's no point doing anything until you've replaced them" The conversation ended with the customer saying he couldn't afford new tyres, the garage telling him in no uncertain terms that he should not be driving anywhere and asking him to sign a disclaimer. I felt sorry for the guy a little, but he had a 59-plate 1-series and couldn't even afford to stick a st pair of tyres on it.
In those circumstances I would definitely have told to fit any old ditchfinder to get him through. Some people...
Love the 'I don't drive it anyway' and 'they look alright' comments. Lets hope your wife doesn't need to rely on them stopping her quickly at any point in the next 30 or so hours of driving so you could save a few quid by taking pot luck..My wife's 1 Series is going back to the Finance Co. in August, but the original tyres were shot after 23k miles and we needed some new ones. Embarrassed to say I took the economical option and just bought the Black Circles value choice - although in my defence I did go up 3 price points and picked the recommended one with C ratings all over
My logic was the car will be doing no more than 1k miles between now and handback time, hardly any motorway stuff, and I don't drive it anyway. The tyres we ended up with were Rapid (?) - never heard of them but they look alright and not being runflat has helped. Yep, they're most likely s
t but in this circumstance I hope I can be forgiven by the PH massive.As an aside, while I was having them fitted, there was another chap having his alignment done. The mechanic came to see him and said "we can't do your alignment as two of your tyres are below 1mm and illegal, there's no point doing anything until you've replaced them" The conversation ended with the customer saying he couldn't afford new tyres, the garage telling him in no uncertain terms that he should not be driving anywhere and asking him to sign a disclaimer. I felt sorry for the guy a little, but he had a 59-plate 1-series and couldn't even afford to stick a s
t pair of tyres on it.In those circumstances I would definitely have told to fit any old ditchfinder to get him through. Some people...
I feel no sympathy at all for the guy with the 1 series. If he'd had 2 punctures then fair enough but tyres don't get to 1mm overnight and if you can't budget well enough to replace your tyres with something decent before they are illegal you shouldn't be allowed on the road.
Edited by SWoll on Friday 7th April 09:30
SWoll said:
Love the 'I don't drive it anyway' and 'they look alright' comments. Lets hope your wife doesn't need to rely on them stopping her quickly at any point in the next 30 or so hours of driving so you could save a few quid by taking pot luck..
The way I read it, JeffSteel didn't buy the cheapest ones, he bought a brand that was the 4th cheapest (3 price points up). Which begs the questions - exactly what is the price dividing line? At what price point does a tyre become too dangerous? Should one always buy the most expensive tyre? If the decision is by "brand" then is it ok to buy, for example, cheap Kumhos instead of expensive ones? Different tyre tests give different results - a tyre which wins one test may come as low as 4th or 5th in another. Some tyres score better for dry/wet braking/cornering etc....Edited by SWoll on Friday 7th April 09:30
Countdown said:
SWoll said:
Love the 'I don't drive it anyway' and 'they look alright' comments. Lets hope your wife doesn't need to rely on them stopping her quickly at any point in the next 30 or so hours of driving so you could save a few quid by taking pot luck..
The way I read it, JeffSteel didn't buy the cheapest ones, he bought a brand that was the 4th cheapest (3 price points up). Which begs the questions - exactly what is the price dividing line? At what price point does a tyre become too dangerous? Should one always buy the most expensive tyre? If the decision is by "brand" then is it ok to buy, for example, cheap Kumhos instead of expensive ones? Different tyre tests give different results - a tyre which wins one test may come as low as 4th or 5th in another. Some tyres score better for dry/wet braking/cornering etc....Edited by SWoll on Friday 7th April 09:30
Buying a decent brand will at least give a level of confidence in the quality of manufacture.
As stated many times when the cost difference between a mid range and cheap tyre is minimal but in every test the performance difference is significant (and much greater than the difference from mid to premium) then even those on a budget should do some research and buy mid range.
SWoll said:
If the tyres were any good, they wouldn't be in the budget pot luck section of the website.
Buying a decent brand will at least give a level of confidence in the quality of manufacture.
As stated many times when the cost difference between a mid range and cheap tyre is minimal but in every test the performance difference is significant (and much greater than the difference from mid to premium) then even those on a budget should do some research and buy mid range.
So given that the cost differences are minimal what's the price point where something moves from budget to Mid to premium?Buying a decent brand will at least give a level of confidence in the quality of manufacture.
As stated many times when the cost difference between a mid range and cheap tyre is minimal but in every test the performance difference is significant (and much greater than the difference from mid to premium) then even those on a budget should do some research and buy mid range.
And why buy mid-range? Surely the child/30 mph scenario still applies....?
Probably at the risk of repeating myself...people should buy the tyres that best meet their personal needs. it's as flawed to say "You MUST buy X brand of tyres" or "You MUST buy mid-range tyres" as it is to say "You MUST always drive at 30mph just in case". You need to take into account the person's driving style, driving experience or a shedload of other factors.
There were 10,000 people stabbed in the UK last year, yet I don't wear a stab-proof vest. Not because I'm a double-hard ninja, but because it's unlikely that I'll ever need one.
Countdown said:
SWoll said:
If the tyres were any good, they wouldn't be in the budget pot luck section of the website.
Buying a decent brand will at least give a level of confidence in the quality of manufacture.
As stated many times when the cost difference between a mid range and cheap tyre is minimal but in every test the performance difference is significant (and much greater than the difference from mid to premium) then even those on a budget should do some research and buy mid range.
So given that the cost differences are minimal what's the price point where something moves from budget to Mid to premium?Buying a decent brand will at least give a level of confidence in the quality of manufacture.
As stated many times when the cost difference between a mid range and cheap tyre is minimal but in every test the performance difference is significant (and much greater than the difference from mid to premium) then even those on a budget should do some research and buy mid range.
And why buy mid-range? Surely the child/30 mph scenario still applies....?
Probably at the risk of repeating myself...people should buy the tyres that best meet their personal needs. it's as flawed to say "You MUST buy X brand of tyres" or "You MUST buy mid-range tyres" as it is to say "You MUST always drive at 30mph just in case". You need to take into account the person's driving style, driving experience or a shedload of other factors.
There were 10,000 people stabbed in the UK last year, yet I don't wear a stab-proof vest. Not because I'm a double-hard ninja, but because it's unlikely that I'll ever need one.
ChemicalChaos said:
There is definitely some blurring of the lines these days - some budget tyres are good and I respect that, and some premium tyres are appalling.
Case in point: I had a set of General Grabber all terrains on my Range Rover, after about 9 months the rubber seemingly turned to plastic and delivered almost no grip on wet tarmac - roundabout cornering at modest normal speeds could result in an interesting 4 wheel drift on the right sort of greasy tarmac. Stopping even moderately briskly for suicidal wildlife also had the abs cutting in. However they still wore away ridiculously quickly.
Before anyone says it, no it wasn't normal for off road tyres. Both the BFGoodrich ones on my previous car and the even knobblier Goodyear ones I now run are a model of perfect behaviour on wet roads.
I still won't buy budget brands, just to be on the safe side, even though I do respect some will have been a lot better than this. But I can now also cross General off the list of premium brands I buy.
Think they might have just been a bad batch to be honest, I had grabber ATs on my P38 then when I bought a Grand Cherokee I had a set put on within weeks.Case in point: I had a set of General Grabber all terrains on my Range Rover, after about 9 months the rubber seemingly turned to plastic and delivered almost no grip on wet tarmac - roundabout cornering at modest normal speeds could result in an interesting 4 wheel drift on the right sort of greasy tarmac. Stopping even moderately briskly for suicidal wildlife also had the abs cutting in. However they still wore away ridiculously quickly.
Before anyone says it, no it wasn't normal for off road tyres. Both the BFGoodrich ones on my previous car and the even knobblier Goodyear ones I now run are a model of perfect behaviour on wet roads.
I still won't buy budget brands, just to be on the safe side, even though I do respect some will have been a lot better than this. But I can now also cross General off the list of premium brands I buy.
Over the next 5 years and 20k miles the car did everything from a trip to Central France to various trips onto Salisbury Plain, up and down the M4 to London etc etc and I never once regretted my choice.
When I sold the car they still looked pretty fresh and I'd have another set without hesitation.
Jefferson Steelflex said:
I have a slight confession...I have sinned...
I took the economical option and just bought the Black Circles value choice - although in my defence I did go up 3 price points and picked the recommended one with C ratings all over
I think your biggest sin is paying any attention whatsoever to tyre label ratingsI took the economical option and just bought the Black Circles value choice - although in my defence I did go up 3 price points and picked the recommended one with C ratings all over
HustleRussell said:
Jefferson Steelflex said:
I have a slight confession...I have sinned...
I took the economical option and just bought the Black Circles value choice - although in my defence I did go up 3 price points and picked the recommended one with C ratings all over
I think your biggest sin is paying any attention whatsoever to tyre label ratingsI took the economical option and just bought the Black Circles value choice - although in my defence I did go up 3 price points and picked the recommended one with C ratings all over
Is there any quantifiable evidence to suggest the measurements are not to be trusted and used as a comparison?
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