RE: New Cayman toughens up
Discussion
lewisf182 said:
Adam B said:
sushisushi said:
OK comparing new to old is unfair. But £48k for a base spec S? that's stupid.
not a million miles from a "Z4 sDrive35is M Sport" (catchy name!) at £45.4kTT RS is £46k, ok probably a bit quicker and more standard kit
Compare Z4 or TT roadster pricing with Boxster and its even closer - and I would expect to pay a premium for the Porsche badge
Much as I like it, there is still an elephant in the room : it should be cheaper than the Boxster, not more expensive. The sales figures would seem to agree with the premise of one reviewer what the 987c first came out : you'd have to really hate the sun not to buy the Boxster instead...
I think it's very much an 'eye of the beholder' thing, but I have to say the first Cayman looks better to me.
This isn't ugly, just not... quite right.
I think it's the rear 3/4 for me.
Still, looks like a lovely evolution.
I'll be interested to see if the PH boys decide purity is best and recommend a base spec Cayman?
This isn't ugly, just not... quite right.
I think it's the rear 3/4 for me.
Still, looks like a lovely evolution.
I'll be interested to see if the PH boys decide purity is best and recommend a base spec Cayman?
Not Ideal said:
Agreed - I would have been way out if I was asked to guess.
Me too, much smaller market than thought it would have been, certainly seem to see enough of them on the roads.But then again 2000 more cars sharing parts with the 911 keeps the 911 a hugely profitable car, knock off those 2000 and it will dent the margins, probably not massively but enough.
Not Ideal said:
Agreed - I would have been way out if I was asked to guess.
The low sales are due to the pricing policy.For every other car I can think of the coupe is cheaper than the soft-top version. That even applies to other Porsche models like the 911.
If Porsche were to price the Cayman below the Boxster it would likely sell more. However, perhaps the bean-counters at Porsche have calculated that those additional sales (at a lower price) would be mainly be at the expense of fewer Boxster sales so that overall it would be less profitable.
Schnellmann said:
The low sales are due to the pricing policy.
For every other car I can think of the coupe is cheaper than the soft-top version. That even applies to other Porsche models like the 911.
If Porsche were to price the Cayman below the Boxster it would likely sell more. However, perhaps the bean-counters at Porsche have calculated that those additional sales (at a lower price) would be mainly be at the expense of fewer Boxster sales so that overall it would be less profitable.
But there has to be more than that. The Panamera sells 50% than the Boxster and Cayman COMBINED, and under half the amount of 911s.For every other car I can think of the coupe is cheaper than the soft-top version. That even applies to other Porsche models like the 911.
If Porsche were to price the Cayman below the Boxster it would likely sell more. However, perhaps the bean-counters at Porsche have calculated that those additional sales (at a lower price) would be mainly be at the expense of fewer Boxster sales so that overall it would be less profitable.
Oooh, this looks fantastic. If I was in a position to have one, however, I think I would go for the Boxster - though I have driven neither... I love the perversity of the pricing structure that makes the Boxster cheaper.
Strange that the only reason I would now want the 911 over this is that it has back seats...
Regarding the comments above, did you see that Porsche have been cutting production of sports cars?
http://www.leftlanenews.com/porsche-to-stop-weeken...
Strange that the only reason I would now want the 911 over this is that it has back seats...
Not Ideal said:
bencollins said:
Blimey, only 2000 sold in europe, that is pitiful. Had no idea market was that small.
Agreed - I would have been way out if I was asked to guess.http://www.leftlanenews.com/porsche-to-stop-weeken...
Adam B said:
sushisushi said:
Audi TT and Z4 are not rivals. The Cayman is 50% MORE EXPENSIVE! It wants to be better.
£50k to drive round in a car that you see everywhere is a no no from me.
When you walk into the garage and it's parked next to an identically priced 2008 997 Turbo.... No brainer.
comparing new with 2nd hand - stupid£50k to drive round in a car that you see everywhere is a no no from me.
When you walk into the garage and it's parked next to an identically priced 2008 997 Turbo.... No brainer.
"a car you see everywhere" - stupid if you actually read the article whcih explains how rare they are
Porsche have done a fine job re-styling the Boxster and Cayman - the old Cayman was a fine car but a dogs dinner aesthetically, this one is ten times better and will probably sell better as a result.
Boxster still looks slightly better and is better value so would be my choice - Porsche still trying to justify the ridiculous coupe premium with a slight hp differential
Some Gump said:
Yep, and a new golf is more expensive than a Ferrari 456. God, families make the stupidest purchasing decisions..
I think you're being a bit harsh. Of course we can all play the desecending spiral of "yes, but for the same price you can get...". And clearly the Golf's sales aren't cannibalised by the 456. I have a Golf, and know I could have bought a 456 (or in my case a 3200GT) for the same money. Why didn't I? The running costs for the Italian cars are significantly higher, way out of my league. So I bought the Golf.If I was choosing between the Cayman and a 3yo 911, I'd assume that the runnning costs would be very similar, so that the two cars ARE competitors in that market sector.
Putting it another way, the 911 (inc. convertibles) outsells the Cayman/Boxster by more than 2:1, despite costing twice as much. There are a number of reasons why this may be the case, beyond standard performance issues - the occasional back seats makes the 911 slightly more useful for people with kids (who being slightly older might be better able to afford it), so it could be run as an only car etc, but it's still a surprise given the cost margin. I suspect that the biggest Cayman competitor is probably the M3; it's not a 2-seater but it's probably a more common response to the "how would you spend that much on a sports car?". But I wouldn't be remotely surprised to find that sales of the B/C are significantly eroded by used 911s.
This is why car designs are changed so often; it stops new cars competing against used versions of itself. Part of the reason Jaguar updating the shape of the XJ was so important.
Edited by pycraft on Thursday 29th November 08:19
Edited by pycraft on Thursday 29th November 08:21
TheBlindSniper said:
The bottom picture of the yellow Cayman, has a slight F430 about it in its shape and look from the angle it is taken. Almost as if a F430 has been shortened.
Looks great and as Porsche are on form with their most recent cars sure it will drive dreat.
This.Looks great and as Porsche are on form with their most recent cars sure it will drive dreat.
Fundamentally, very similar as the 430 for the front three quarters to my eyes....
pycraft said:
Schnellmann said:
The low sales are due to the pricing policy.
For every other car I can think of the coupe is cheaper than the soft-top version. That even applies to other Porsche models like the 911.
If Porsche were to price the Cayman below the Boxster it would likely sell more. However, perhaps the bean-counters at Porsche have calculated that those additional sales (at a lower price) would be mainly be at the expense of fewer Boxster sales so that overall it would be less profitable.
But there has to be more than that. The Panamera sells 50% than the Boxster and Cayman COMBINED, and under half the amount of 911s.For every other car I can think of the coupe is cheaper than the soft-top version. That even applies to other Porsche models like the 911.
If Porsche were to price the Cayman below the Boxster it would likely sell more. However, perhaps the bean-counters at Porsche have calculated that those additional sales (at a lower price) would be mainly be at the expense of fewer Boxster sales so that overall it would be less profitable.
My guess is that they know that even of they drop the price of the Cayman below the Boxster it still won't sell more so don't give up profit to follow industry convention. The Cayman is their most niche product. It's for people who don't want a 911 but also don't want a convertible roadster. I don't believe for one moment that if they placed it below the Boxster it would take sales from the Boxster.
The weird thing about the Cayman is that it appears to be a better sports car than the 911 and for a lot less money. I'm not sure I could tell the difference at a passing glance either. It shows the absolute dominant strength of the 911 brand.
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