RE: New BMW M3 - details
Discussion
British Beef said:
It is strange how a 2 seater made largely from aluminium can weigh so much, compared to other 2 seaters and even compared to 4 seat coupes.
Makes me wonder, how much the F-type coupe will weigh?
The coupe should weigh less, generally speaking convertibles add weight through their additional strengthening and the mechanics of the roof, regardless if it's a hard or soft top, especially powered roofs.Makes me wonder, how much the F-type coupe will weigh?
Anyone any idea how much the M3/4 will cost? I'd imagine 60k
Lots of things to like about this announcement.
- Lower weight which is always good. I'm glad to see that manufacturers seem to have finally realised that the constant bloat of modern cars is a problem and are now trying to actively do something about it. Less than 1500kgs is a good start, however in an ideal world they should have aimed for less than 1400kgs
- Better fuel economy, a plus point again. The old cars engine while glorious was way too thirsty. Lets hope the new engine is REAL WORLD frugal though rather than the usual fudge that the German manufacturers seem to get away with.
- A turbo that revs. I'm not averse to a decent turbo engine per se coming from a predominantly Japanese performance turbo background but the emphasis is on decent. Far to many turbo engines feel anodyne and diesel like these days so lets hope the relatively high rev limit on this new engine means it will like to rev. The Japanese were making their turbo engines sing past 8000 rpm over 20 years ago which made for very exciting power delivery, lets hope this new BMW engine can recapture that fizz.
Can't understand why it's intercooler is "on top of the engine"???
"Despite its similar dimensions to the existing 3-litre ‘35i’ motor, the M3’s engine is completely different, with a unique lightweight block with low-friction cylinder coating and two small, high-speed turbochargers that direct air into a large, low-resistance intercooler on top of the engine".
"Despite its similar dimensions to the existing 3-litre ‘35i’ motor, the M3’s engine is completely different, with a unique lightweight block with low-friction cylinder coating and two small, high-speed turbochargers that direct air into a large, low-resistance intercooler on top of the engine".
Nors said:
Apart from the significant torque jump over the current model, 430bhp is not a huge amount more bhp over the current 414bhp. This has to be the smallest incremental increase of any new M3 model?
Perhaps the power war between Audi and BMW at least may be over as previously mentioned when the B8 RS4 was launched. The latest RS4 having a nominal increase over it's previous version also.
Power to weight is a better performance indicator than just power. This is the first M3 to ever be lighter than it's predecessor so represents a reasonable power to weight increase when compared to previous generational increases. Perhaps the power war between Audi and BMW at least may be over as previously mentioned when the B8 RS4 was launched. The latest RS4 having a nominal increase over it's previous version also.
kambites said:
E38Ross said:
It may be a way to undercut the C63 in price??
Does the M3 share a block (or at least external block layout) with the 335i? If so, I'd imagine the development costs for a manual would be next to nothing. Kiernan said:
epom said:
Manual ?? its outdated already so then, no point in even releasing it...
Maybe, maybe not. The important thing is that customers have the choice, and I mean people who will actually put down their hard earned cash to buy a good old high performance coupe with a manual box.I'm really pleased with this announcement. Not sure I want to replace my E92 M3 (manual of course) just yet, but I'm pretty sure that when the times comes to see what's around, I'll certainly be going to the BMW dealer to see what the M4 Manual is like.
Well done BMW.
Tomatogti said:
Nors said:
Apart from the significant torque jump over the current model, 430bhp is not a huge amount more bhp over the current 414bhp. This has to be the smallest incremental increase of any new M3 model?
Perhaps the power war between Audi and BMW at least may be over as previously mentioned when the B8 RS4 was launched. The latest RS4 having a nominal increase over it's previous version also.
Power to weight is a better performance indicator than just power. This is the first M3 to ever be lighter than it's predecessor so represents a reasonable power to weight increase when compared to previous generational increases. Perhaps the power war between Audi and BMW at least may be over as previously mentioned when the B8 RS4 was launched. The latest RS4 having a nominal increase over it's previous version also.
A twin-charged '6 certainly seems more in-keeping with BMW history than the last V8 engined cars. And a twin-turbo straight six is what is found under the bonnet of some of my favourite Japanese Sportscars too - a tenuous link but they have such a reputation that the same configuration can't be a bad thing!
RSgeoff said:
Can't understand why it's intercooler is "on top of the engine"???
"Despite its similar dimensions to the existing 3-litre ‘35i’ motor, the M3’s engine is completely different, with a unique lightweight block with low-friction cylinder coating and two small, high-speed turbochargers that direct air into a large, low-resistance intercooler on top of the engine".
Aren't Subaru's like that? I thought that's why they had a bonnet scoop, or does that lead straight to the air filter?"Despite its similar dimensions to the existing 3-litre ‘35i’ motor, the M3’s engine is completely different, with a unique lightweight block with low-friction cylinder coating and two small, high-speed turbochargers that direct air into a large, low-resistance intercooler on top of the engine".
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